[WISPA] Power Supplies
Some time in the last month, someone on one of the lists I follow posted a link to wall-wart type 15v or 18v DC power supplies in the $4 or $5 dollar range. I have lost the link. Can somebody point me in the right direction, or possibly have recommendations for a source for such power supplies (suitable for powering common cpe type radios through commmonly used passive PoE injectors of course).. -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vista VPN Question
I think that link is what the OP needed, specifically to uncheck use default gateway on remote network in the advanced properties for IPv4 (and IPv6 if that is being used also). If the vpn server is using DHCP to assign the vpn connection an IP address in the netblock of the remote network, there shouldn't be any need for additional static routes, (or if the connection is statically assigned an appropriate address.) If such is not the case there may be a need to add a static route to the remote network, but I find that in most cases that is not necessary to accomplish the task at hand. Matt Hardy wrote: Like Charles said, if you were using a full DHCP server to give out VPN IP addresses, you could push routes to customers using DHCP options. But Mikrotik doesn't use a DHCP server for assigning PPTP IPs, just the IP Pools... so this isn't supported. So I think your only options are client side... writing a batch file to reconfigure your routes after you connect? I saw this: http://www.isinc.com/2008/04/11/configuring-a-split-tunnel-pptp-vpn-in-windows-vista/ You could give that a shot. Too bad it doesn't have a static routes section :) -Matt On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 00:08 -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: PPTP VPN connection. I'll see what is supported in this regard. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vista VPN Question What type of VPN are you using? Some allow publishing or advertising of routes to the client when the VPN is established On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 10:59 -0800, Charles Wyble wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: Is there a way to setup Vista so that only certain subnets are routed over a VPN link? It seems silly that a customer with a 16 meg Comcast connection pushes all Internet traffic through the office's 2/2 connection. There is a route command you can use from the command prompt. :) Or do it via DHCP options if your running a full DHCP server (Cisco,Linux,Windows NT/200(x). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Winter connectivity issues
14 miles is not too far to cause interference. On Wed, December 17, 2008 10:16 am, Mark McElvy wrote: My closest tower to this one is 14 miles. We are fairly rural. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:52 AM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Winter connectivity issues Try changing channels too. Water *usually* give strange signal levels Looks more like interference to me. Very possibly from some of your own towers??? marlon - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Winter connectivity issues Water in connectors. When it freezes it crystalizes and gives a poor connection. Maybe a cracked/broken antenna with moisture incursion. Antennas on towers are subject to falling ice regardless of the type of antenna. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:58:25 To: mikro...@mail.butchevans.com; wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Winter connectivity issues I have 4 tower locations, only one seems to be having issues. Last week, then today I have a few customers on one tower having slow connection issues. High ping times from less than 1 ms to 4-500ms with packet loss. The one complaining customer has a -56 @ client end and -60 @ AP. The common denominator is weather, it is currently about 10 deg F and we had some, not a lot of freezing rain last night. This tower is running a RB 433 w/ XR2 and HPol omni. New in spring due to lightning storm. The only time I experienced issues last year was with heavy icing. Any thought? Would you think it's the ice or maybe freezing moisture in the enclosure? Mark in South central Missouri WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow
Another way of looking at it is that if deflation is occurring, and you have committed to pay for the CPE via leasing, you will be using future dollars that are worth more to pay for them, (e.g. at the time I commit to paying $100 for a cpe, each of those $100 would purchase a loaf of bread, but following the deflation of the dollar, each $dollar used to pay the lease would have purchased TWO loaves of bread.) so the real cost of those CPE is higher. That is even without figuring deflation on the CPE themselves. If deflation hits the CPE market as well, committing to pay $100 for CPE that 6 months from now will only cost $50 may not be a good position to be in. In any case, in a generally deflating market, pressure will be high to reduce prices, including subscription prices for Internet Access, so there may be fewer dollars available to pay those lease commitments, even though the dollars you do have are worth more. John Brian Webster wrote: Tom, snip ... If however you bought all of that equipment using credit and they deflate the dollar you have actually hedged against the deflation because your cash did not get deflated, yet you are still producing revenue on the other people's money you used. If you can get good credit terms and can make the numbers work I would personally borrow like crazy and expand to ramp up cash flow. The numbers will work if the government doesn't cause deflation, but if they do it works out even better. People who have loans always make out better in deflationary times over people who have hard cash assets. If you don't have assets they don't lose value. The person who built their business on cash or personal assets loses out twice. First the value of everything they already paid for depreciated in a big way and then the cash flow they are producing is buying less because of inflation. Hope that makes sense.. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow Chuck, I will contact you offlist. I have some question. I have not tried SBA recently, and its time that I probably should, before I critisize the program. My point was... In past experience SBA enabled guaranteeing very low rates, but SBA could sometimes be harder to get than traditional loans, as SBA required more documentation. Very few SBA loans get defaulted on, because they have such strong requirements. I found the same thing with RUS loans. The misconception by many is that SBA gives loans, which is not the case. SBA guarantees other bank loans. So those banks are giving loans at lower interest than they normally do, because of the SBA's guarantee. But the SBA still wants to cover themselves similar to any other lender. It does not get the borrower off the hook for proving credit worthiness, by traditional industry methods. What I always found Ironic was that to get the SBA loan, one had to prove they were turned down by other lenders. But then the SBA potentially would turn down applicants for the same reasons. All loans have the same requirement, proving 1) ability to pay back (pre-existing consistent cashflow and profit from revenue stream), 2) proven credit worthiness, 3) colateral. Getting a lower interest, just makes the lenders look more closely to prove the above. There are very few lenders that will lend based on a potential of a business plan (that does not have pre-existing good cash flow to back it up), or simply based on the merit of the business. I find that borrowers that don't have problems getting loans are borrowers who have had a past life that had already established their high credit worthiness, usually via personal assets, or by having multiple officers to guarantee the loans. The big problem that I ran into was... I sold most of my traditional assets to fund my network build outs. And then invested all profit back into the business to build out the network, there fore increasing potential. And then Banks did not look at those network assets with a value, the same as they would if it was still real estate, so to speak, that was recognized as a safe liquitable asset. I have found that obtaining finance requires long term planning and preperation, to position oneself to look good to financers by their standards. I have found that being more or less debt free, and owning a network, had no value to the lenders that I have talked to. Even with RUS matching fund loans, it seemed similar. They were more interested in what new money I'd put in, for them to match, and did not value the money already put in and spent.. My company is growing, and my financials are improving to be loan worthy, so I won't have a finance problem to much longer. But it was a long road, and I do not wish the same
Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow
Actually, I wasn't trying to say that CPE prices would go down 50%, I don't think they will. Just pulling nice round numbers out the hat. That doesn't change my point though, that in a deflating economy, debt that is being taken on will be repaid with dollars that are worth more and/or are harder to come by, unless you are lucky enough to be in a sector of the economy that isn't affected (as much) by the deflationary cycle. I hope that we are in such a segment. On Sat, January 3, 2009 3:01 pm, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Don't expect to see that price of the cpes will drop by 50%. At $60-$100 there isn't much left to go lower. Especially considering shipping a cpe with integrated antenna $5 to $10 from manufacturing plans in asia. As well some semiconductor parts are currently going up instead of down as plans are being closed left and right. At current rate electronics will be up in price maybe as much as 20-30% in a year or two if things don't change soon. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:44:48 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow Another way of looking at it is that if deflation is occurring, and you have committed to pay for the CPE via leasing, you will be using future dollars that are worth more to pay for them, (e.g. at the time I commit to paying $100 for a cpe, each of those $100 would purchase a loaf of bread, but following the deflation of the dollar, each $dollar used to pay the lease would have purchased TWO loaves of bread.) so the real cost of those CPE is higher. That is even without figuring deflation on the CPE themselves. If deflation hits the CPE market as well, committing to pay $100 for CPE that 6 months from now will only cost $50 may not be a good position to be in. In any case, in a generally deflating market, pressure will be high to reduce prices, including subscription prices for Internet Access, so there may be fewer dollars available to pay those lease commitments, even though the dollars you do have are worth more. John Brian Webster wrote: Tom, snip ... If however you bought all of that equipment using credit and they deflate the dollar you have actually hedged against the deflation because your cash did not get deflated, yet you are still producing revenue on the other people's money you used. If you can get good credit terms and can make the numbers work I would personally borrow like crazy and expand to ramp up cash flow. The numbers will work if the government doesn't cause deflation, but if they do it works out even better. People who have loans always make out better in deflationary times over people who have hard cash assets. If you don't have assets they don't lose value. The person who built their business on cash or personal assets loses out twice. First the value of everything they already paid for depreciated in a big way and then the cash flow they are producing is buying less because of inflation. Hope that makes sense.. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow Chuck, I will contact you offlist. I have some question. I have not tried SBA recently, and its time that I probably should, before I critisize the program. My point was... In past experience SBA enabled guaranteeing very low rates, but SBA could sometimes be harder to get than traditional loans, as SBA required more documentation. Very few SBA loans get defaulted on, because they have such strong requirements. I found the same thing with RUS loans. The misconception by many is that SBA gives loans, which is not the case. SBA guarantees other bank loans. So those banks are giving loans at lower interest than they normally do, because of the SBA's guarantee. But the SBA still wants to cover themselves similar to any other lender. It does not get the borrower off the hook for proving credit worthiness, by traditional industry methods. What I always found Ironic was that to get the SBA loan, one had to prove they were turned down by other lenders. But then the SBA potentially would turn down applicants for the same reasons. All loans have the same requirement, proving 1) ability to pay back (pre-existing consistent cashflow and profit from revenue stream), 2) proven credit worthiness, 3) colateral. Getting a lower interest, just makes the lenders look more closely to prove the above. There are very few lenders that will lend based on a potential of a business plan (that does not have pre-existing good cash flow to back it up), or simply based on the merit of the business. I find that borrowers that don't
Re: [WISPA] Barracuda outbounds SPAM filter any good?
My webmail software is Squirrelmail, which does put the authenticated user in the header, but that didn't come back in the bounces (that I saw anyway) but I was able to find the compromised account by searching the Sent folders for some of the bounced recipient addresses. Picking an address that wasn't likely to be one that my customers would have sent to - such as in the .pl domain - quickly led me to a folder with lots of spam messages in it. Searching for a line in the body of the spam email would have been successful as well. :) John David E. Smith wrote: Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are they using your webmail to send out the spam. Is there any way you can tell what user's email address is compromised because all the mail delivery errors I'm getting don't show one. Yeah, my latest few problem children have been using our Web site, and cut-and-pasting in their spam, sending it out to just five or ten recipients at a time so as to avoid our you're not just a spammer but a dumb spammer trigger if you try to send to 1000 people at once. How to track it down depends on the mail software you use, obviously. Mine (an older version of Ipswitch Imail) doesn't put any identifying information in the email as such (no originating IP or authenticated-user info). There are timestamps, though, which I can correlate against the Web server logs. Right now, I'm torn between trying to stop it at the Web server using some sort of IP geolocation filter, or stop it before it leaves the network using a modified SpamAssassin installation. Both are giving me all kinds of fits that are way off-topic for this list. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] [Board] Lobbying Fund Drive Update
Travis Johnson wrote: Also, one more quick thing it would be helpful if you would post the Paypal address and mailing address at the bottom of every one of your update emails... to make it easier for people. You could even post a direct link to the Paypal account inside your email. :) Travis Microserv I'll second that. -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FYI - more news on stimulous/broadband
Net neutrality and the broadband provisions in the stimulus bill US Senator Dianne Feinstein hopes to update President Barack Obama's $838bn economic stimulus package so that American ISPs can deter child pornography, copyright infringement, and other unlawful activity by way of reasonable network management. Clearly, a lobbyist whispering in Feinstein's ear has taken Comcast's now famous euphamism even further into the realm of nonsense. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/11/feinstein_stimulus_amendment/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth
Where did you look? Mike Hammett wrote: Someone once asked me what was in their area, so I looked. There were I'm recalling at least 4 major international carriers right in their town must have been a landing station. It pays to know what's in your area. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Those of you that are paying $50/Mbps, what is keeping you from building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber, etc.)? It seems to me that this would be a major consideration in the business plan as this is a big MRC. Don't wait for someone to bring you cheap bandwidth...go get it! :-) -Hal WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth
Charles, I would love to live in the world you describe here. :) Bandwidth cost dwarfs credit card processing cost where I live. It also seems very optimistic to put 1000 customers on a 20mb link. At best, I would think that if they are consuming ~20mbps, that you should have at least twice that in capacity, so that means a full DS3, and the best pricing I have gotten on a DS3 is in excess of $6k (and getting to that requires a 25 mile wireless hop). In many areas of the country, $300-400/mbps is the rule for Nx/T1s. John Charles Wu wrote: Hi Hal, In the grand scheme of things...bandwidth / port costs are a minute fraction of an ISP/WISPs operating expenses (heck, I find that for a residential WISP...the credit card processing bill can be higher than the bandwidth bill) That said, look at it this way Based on our studies/trending...1,000 residential subscribers consume ~20 Mb of bandwidth So...1,000 customers @ $40 / month = $40k / month in revenue If you're getting hosed and paying $200 / Mb, that's still only $4k / month Now...say there's a datacenter 40 miles away that has bandwidth for $50 / Mb -- that's a total of $3k / month in savings -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
My thought is that you are unlikely to get much of a response from potential customers, although whatever response you did get would be a strong incentive to any WISP in the area, and it is certainly doable, Mikrotik could easily handle it. My reasoning is that all of my AP's broadcast a domain name which I would think would be a strong clue to anybody looking for service as to where to look for contact information, but I get very few calls as a result of broadcasting that domain name. Granted, having an informational page would be a better advertisement, but I can't see it being that much better. I might try it on some of my own APs. Have you considered (or tried) contacting WISP's that are in proximity to your towers? Do you have any towers close enough to me to do me any good? John Vogel Blake Bowers wrote: I really don't want the hassle of providing the internet service - where to get the internet pipe, taking care of the customers, etc. Not my core business, and not one I feel like I can provide well. I was thinking that adjoining area WISP's would be able to provide a pipe, either by their connections with regional providers, microwave backhaul, etc, they could take care of installs to expand their coverage area, etc. I want an enviroment where both the WISP and US can make some money. Now, your a smart guy. If a tower owner in a town near your coverage area was able to bring to you a list of people that would be likely to sign up for service IF you had service available in that area, would you not look really hard at that? Me, I would be all over it like a fat kid on cake Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion Why not go ahead and sell them the service over this? Just have it take them to the signup page and process their credit card, add to radius, activate service? Scriv On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: I got towers. Lots of them. Many don't have any kind of wireless service anywhere close, some don't have any kind of high speed service of any kind. I would like to put up on some of them, for a fairly short period of time, something like a hotspot, say a cheap router that people can connect to, they see a splash page that says If you are intersted in HIGH SPEED WIRELESS service, please call 800-467-2346 Then we could log the calls, take their information, and if enough calls were recieved we could start talking to WISPS in adjoining areas to see if someone might be interested in providing service there. A market study if you will. Who makes a cheap box that I could hook to an OMNI with such a thing? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
LOL - I agree that a lot of WISP's don't make it clear who/where they are and what they offer via their web sites. My own site is far from perfect, but it has been a valuable asset in procuring business. Blake Bowers wrote: ROFL... I take WISPS to task for their web page, and you bring mine up... I am so ashamed. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion http://www.frostytowers.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
Like I said, while far from perfect, my web site has been a valuable asset. I don't do any advertising other than the web site and a couple of small insignificant ads on community calendar type things - (primarily as a donation to the non-profit groups sponsoring the calendar). I get a number of calls from people who have found the web site through a web search, and those people say things like I see that I am in the shaded area on your map, letting me know that they have found me through the web site. Which reminds me that I need to update the map to show my current (expanded) service area... Blake Bowers wrote: Yours had contact info, coverage maps, area served, you would be surprised how many don't have those things. I suspect they just feel that people should know Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion LOL - I agree that a lot of WISP's don't make it clear who/where they are and what they offer via their web sites. My own site is far from perfect, but it has been a valuable asset in procuring business. Blake Bowers wrote: ROFL... I take WISPS to task for their web page, and you bring mine up... I am so ashamed. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion http://www.frostytowers.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
To borrow an often used quote from Randy on another list... I encourage all of my competitors to do this. John Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I'd bet more often that is comes down to who you DON'T want to know. Brian -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator
Got a link or a model number for that new Kill-a-Watt? I can't find any info about it on their site. John Marlon K. Schafer wrote: My biggest site (something like 9 radios now) is drawing under 20 watts these days. Closer to 15 if my memory serves. To get that number I used one of the new kill-a-watt units that has an ethernet port on it. A bit spendy but very cool. It allows me to remotely (through a company web site, not my own) monitor what's going on at a tower. It will also do power cycling! Other than the fact that it has to be sent to the factory to get firmware updates (how's that for old fashioned?) I love the unit. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator I have a new tower site and the owner ask how much electric I will use. How can I calculate that? For now all I will have is one 24v 2amp power supply going to a rb433ah with an xr2 omni and a xr5 backhaul. I can roughly guess the price per kilowatt hr but I need to get an estimate on kw/hr first. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator
Does it have ethernet, remote monitoring, or power-cycle capability? John Scott Carullo wrote: P4400 KILL A WATT is what I have Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator Got a link or a model number for that new Kill-a-Watt? I can't find any info about it on their site. John Marlon K. Schafer wrote: My biggest site (something like 9 radios now) is drawing under 20 watts these days. Closer to 15 if my memory serves. To get that number I used one of the new kill-a-watt units that has an ethernet port on it. A bit spendy but very cool. It allows me to remotely (through a company web site, not my own) monitor what's going on at a tower. It will also do power cycling! Other than the fact that it has to be sent to the factory to get firmware updates (how's that for old fashioned?) I love the unit. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator I have a new tower site and the owner ask how much electric I will use. How can I calculate that? For now all I will have is one 24v 2amp power supply going to a rb433ah with an xr2 omni and a xr5 backhaul. I can roughly guess the price per kilowatt hr but I need to get an estimate on kw/hr first. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator
Marlon referenced a new kill-a-watt that has an ethernet port, remote monitoring, and power-cycling capability. I can't find any of those features mentioned on any of the models on the kill-a-watt site, or on the thinkgeek.com link you provided. Perhaps I missed it. Thanks for the link though. :) John Vickie Edwards wrote: ThinkGeek has 3 different models of the Kill-a-Watt, as well as another meter-type gadget: http://www.thinkgeek.com/brain/whereisit.cgi?t=kill+a+wattx=0y=0 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator Got a link or a model number for that new Kill-a-Watt? I can't find any info about it on their site. John Marlon K. Schafer wrote: My biggest site (something like 9 radios now) is drawing under 20 watts these days. Closer to 15 if my memory serves. To get that number I used one of the new kill-a-watt units that has an ethernet port on it. A bit spendy but very cool. It allows me to remotely (through a company web site, not my own) monitor what's going on at a tower. It will also do power cycling! Other than the fact that it has to be sent to the factory to get firmware updates (how's that for old fashioned?) I love the unit. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator I have a new tower site and the owner ask how much electric I will use. How can I calculate that? For now all I will have is one 24v 2amp power supply going to a rb433ah with an xr2 omni and a xr5 backhaul. I can roughly guess the price per kilowatt hr but I need to get an estimate on kw/hr first. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Splash Page
I have a splash page such as what you are describing ( http://vogent.net:88/ ) but no CPE insurance program. John Ray Jean wrote: Does anyone have a page they use when you cut off a customer for non-payment and let them know that their internet has been suspended. Letting them know what to do to activate it again, like making a payment. Also, I want to have customers pay an insurance on their equipment, I seen one on this list about a year ago and saved the link to use later but it no longer works, I believe it was Mac Dearman. It was a great program and I would like to use it, if I can. Thanks so much for your help! Jean Hill Surfmore.Net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
What cards are 4th generation and which ones are 6th? How do you tell which is which? e...@wisp-router.com wrote: All Atheros cards are capable of doing this. Just keep in mind that the 4th gen cards even if they are set in 5/10MHz mode for broadcast still listen to 20MHz wide channel. The 6th gen Atheros cards if set to 5/10MHz mode only listen to 5 or 10MHz. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:57:54 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with Mikrotik (hopefully all cards?) Tranzeo Ubiquiti But not.. StarOS WARP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle ng S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cordless VOIP Phone
Interesting... My Panasonic DECT 6.0 phones have better range than any other cordless phone I have owned, including a couple of 900mhz ones. John Jeremy Parr wrote: Yeah, I have deployed quite a bit of DECT, but if he isn't running any 900mhz, then a Senao is a much better option. The range is very bad with the DECT stuff, even the fancy multi-thousand dollar enterprise base stations. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter?
I would use a RB411 as the canary board. cheap, reliable, scriptable, AND has input voltage monitoring Tom DeReggi wrote: snip Any good ideas on how to tell when the power goes out? For example, if a breaker pops, 24 hours later the battery runs dead and still creates an outage, if you don;t know power was cut. One suggestion made was setup a second cheapo linksys router for $40, and plug that in NOT on the batterty, and then remote monitor that device to tell when power is down. Although, with that unit, it might be hard to fit into the case, and may draw unnecessary current. Any ideas on how to handle that? Do any of teh Mikroik SBCs have i/o slots that can measure results of a relay or something, to help with that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Someone sells those on this list... http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-UPS-DC-12-9/UPS_Pro__Outdoor_UPS_with_Die_Cast_Enclosure_12V_9AH.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Ryan, I agree completely, and sympathise for the situation. But does your customer know that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter? Ohh agreed, redundant upstream is a must. However when a DS3 costs over 10 grand a month to get out of this area to a NON-Qwest system ( not including bandwidth ), for true redundancy it makes it not feasible. We are trying to engineer a wireless backhaul out, but its taking some time to do so. Its funny folks in the extreme rural areas, seem to think that we WISP's and ISP's should have the same access to bandwidth and pricing as Metro guys do. Yet, my cost per meg plus transport is about 280.00 per meg total, however even in a city like Greeley, Colorado, you can get bandwidth plus transport for around 50.00 a meg or less. Its the burden of being a rural isp. Ohh and the customer still wants 20 meg down 5 meg up for 20 bucks a month, and it damn well better work 24/7 or its the end of the world lol Ryan On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Technically, yes, this was your fault. The customer is paying YOU for service... not qwest. If you can't provide the service (regardless of the reason), then it's your fault. In our regional area, the ABC affiliate stopped selling to DISH Network last year over the contract price. So if you had DISH (which I did), you could no longer get ABC at all. This went on for over 6 months. Do you think everyone was mad at ABC or DISH? DISH is the one that had to start giving credits and take all the phone calls. You HAVE to have at least two separate upstreams or you are just asking for these kind of problems. Travis Microserv Ryan Ghering wrote: Yesterday, we had a long term upstream outage. Someone in Qwest killed our ATM upstream and somehow we were getting crosstalk to another ATM PVC. (Don't ask nobody can tell me how this was done). In the mean time customers are calling us screaming that they need their net. Our staff politely informs them all day long that this isn't a issue with us, its upstream. Some customers accept that and move on for the day. However the kicker!! One of our customers which is a dedicated 3 meg calls up and asks, Are you down I say yes at this time the internet is down due to a problem with qwest in Denver. The customer says ok, do you have an ETA? I tell him no not at this time the problem is with qwest not with us. Customer says ok thanks and hangs up. Not 20 minutes later I get a phone call from the customer, he's mad as hell and spitting nails. I only caught about 1/2 of what he had said. But it sounded like. Your a damn lier, I call qwest, they have NO issues anywhere. I want my ** Net or you can kiss my account goodbye a**hole.. Then he hangs up. ( mind you this is a business customer ) I call him back about an hour later and he says he's canceled. And will get service from somewhere else. How can this be? How was this my fault? Customers are irrational and
Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9
The RB411's I have been purchasing show input voltage under /system health. John Eje Gustafsson wrote: I do not believe the new boards does this do they? The RB230's and I think as well the RB532 could/would over SNMP report power levels and temps maybe the newer boards can't report temp but can report power over SNMP. If I didn't understand Scott incorrectly the power supplied out from the controller is stabilized so you will either work or your dead. So to use DC voltage report you would need a separate board feeding directly of the battery and as power on the battery start to drain your NMS would have to trigger on a low voltage problem. There is another issue here.. That is that the UPS battery is 12V and most RB dies or fail when the power goes under 11V. So the window of opportunity would be very small. Or am I missing something here? / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 Iirc some mikrotik boards report dc voltage Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Aug 1, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The controller is powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to monitor the battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling when they might come up with a solution. I seen some pretty cool devices at ipenabled.com but they are not cheap. http://www.ipenabled.com/sp2.html http://www.ipenabled.com/dcv.html Don't see or know of any way in MT to have some sort of probe measurement of DC voltage. One solution which probably is the cheapest one and goes in line with your Linksys unit would be to bastardize a Bullet2 (the $39 Ubiquiti device) and either use it with the standard AirOS or load on your own software. In full TX mode it uses 4watt and I would guess no more than 1watt if the transmitter is disabled unfortunately the exact load levels are not in their datasheet just the 4watt number. Form factor vise it's as small you're going to get and at a very cheap price. Alternative of course for size would be to use their MiniStation but then you're talking $79 instead and slightly smaller footprint then a credit card. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Yeah, I saw that post the other day. That outdoor UPS enclosure has my name written all over it :-) It should be great for those one radio serves all suites via CAT5, industrial warehouse style, strip mall style roof installs While on topic...Anyone know. Does that power charger/inverter unit still pass line power to equipment if the battery goes bad? (inline or standby?). Any good ideas on how to tell when the power goes out? For example, if a breaker pops, 24 hours later the battery runs dead and still creates an outage, if you don;t know power was cut. One suggestion made was setup a second cheapo linksys router for $40, and plug that in NOT on the batterty, and then remote monitor that device to tell when power is down. Although, with that unit, it might be hard to fit into the case, and may draw unnecessary current. Any ideas on how to handle that? Do any of teh Mikroik SBCs have i/o slots that can measure results of a relay or something, to help with that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Someone sells those on this list... http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-UPS-DC-12-9/UPS_Pro__Outdoor_UPS_with_Di e_Cast_Enclosure_12V_9AH.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Ryan, I agree completely, and sympathise for the situation. But does your customer know that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
I don't understand the need for the full U bend. Why wouldn't it work going straight up from the facia/gable mount instead of continuing the bend to get back over the roof? I would think that it would be stronger and more rigid if the bends were all between the mounting points. Perhaps I am missing something... ASCII art of what I am thinking below. | | | | | | | ___/ / | | Robert West wrote: Well, the story on this is, the competitor dude, he bought the wisp from a friend of mine who was near death from cancer and he bought it to make cash, didn't know a thing about wifi or networking. But the 2 motivators for him was, his guys were using 1/2 galvanized water pipe and fittings to make up mounts for whatever situation they were in.. Dunno how that was ever gonna work right and it never did. When the wind blew these things would move about on the fittings and the guys would take forever making up some bracket out of legos, basically. The second motivation is that the new owner of the wisp is an insurance agent and won't allow roof penetration, which is a good idea for anyone. So somehow he came up with this pipe bent at the muffler shop idea and I have to say, it looks like a winner. Cheap, cheap, cheap and from what the guys say, they can have the bracket mounted in a matter of minutes. I'll see if I can locate one or two installs and get some pics. Bob- -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Obviously, my ASCII art skills are lacking. :) You are correct. Josh Luthman wrote: I think you mean straight up from the j-arm. ASCII art didn't turn out from what I see. On 8/27/09, J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com wrote: I don't understand the need for the full U bend. Why wouldn't it work going straight up from the facia/gable mount instead of continuing the bend to get back over the roof? I would think that it would be stronger and more rigid if the bends were all between the mounting points. Perhaps I am missing something... ASCII art of what I am thinking below. | | | | | | | ___/ / | | Robert West wrote: Well, the story on this is, the competitor dude, he bought the wisp from a friend of mine who was near death from cancer and he bought it to make cash, didn't know a thing about wifi or networking. But the 2 motivators for him was, his guys were using 1/2 galvanized water pipe and fittings to make up mounts for whatever situation they were in.. Dunno how that was ever gonna work right and it never did. When the wind blew these things would move about on the fittings and the guys would take forever making up some bracket out of legos, basically. The second motivation is that the new owner of the wisp is an insurance agent and won't allow roof penetration, which is a good idea for anyone. So somehow he came up with this pipe bent at the muffler shop idea and I have to say, it looks like a winner. Cheap, cheap, cheap and from what the guys say, they can have the bracket mounted in a matter of minutes. I'll see if I can locate one or two installs and get some pics. Bob- -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair
This is true for me as well. I haven't seen a seal fail, and I do not over-tighten the nuts. However, I HAVE had several fail after hail knocks a hole in the top of the cover, and then over time, water is funneled into the radio. I have found a couple of radios that were half full of water (or more) before they failed. Leaving the bottom loose may help, so that the water can get out, rather than building up to the point where it can get into the radio through the ethernet port. Bill Gaylord wrote: I am in Northern Michigan and have never seen it either. If you make sure you do not over-tighten so that the seal is not deformed, it works fine. Also, leaving the bottom one a little loose, does not hurt either. We have over 500 in the field. Bill Gaylord, COO COLI Inc -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I need a cheap watchdog/reboot thingy
Thanks for the link, but this isn't what I was thinking of. Maybe I was dreaming, but I sure thought I saw a picture of a small device, one ethernet port only, and either a single or duplex outlet or maybe it switched DC voltage... that would fit in a 8X12X4 box with lots of room to spare. It seems to me that somebody posted a link to such a thing a couple of weeks or months ago. John Vogel Travis Johnson wrote: HI, We have used many of these, but they aren't sub-$100... http://www.digital-loggers.com/EPC.html Travis Microserv J. Vogel wrote: I seem to recall that someone posted a link to a sub-$100 ping watchdog/reboot unit on one of these lists recently, but I cannot locate the message I am thinking I saw. I need a simple device to power-cycle an access point radio or two when pings to the network default gateway fail. Can anybody point me to such a thing? Thanks! John Vogel -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I need a cheap watchdog/reboot thingy
Thanks for your help, but I believe that is overkill for what I want. This might have been what I saw... It looks like what I want anyway. http://www.hw-group.com/products/ip_watchdog/index_lite_en.html Now if I could just figure out how to buy some of them John Vogel KyWiFi LLC wrote: Here's the version I think you are looking for John: http://tinyurl.com/z7ovs I purchased one of these a while back but haven't had the time to play with it yet. It's like $200 off right now while they still have stock so you better go grab one if this is what you are looking for. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $39.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need a cheap watchdog/reboot thingy HI, We have used many of these, but they aren't sub-$100... http://www.digital-loggers.com/EPC.html Travis Microserv J. Vogel wrote: I seem to recall that someone posted a link to a sub-$100 ping watchdog/reboot unit on one of these lists recently, but I cannot locate the message I am thinking I saw. I need a simple device to power-cycle an access point radio or two when pings to the network default gateway fail. Can anybody point me to such a thing? Thanks! John Vogel -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Missouri Crane service
Correction: I should have said... about 75 miles WEST of St. Louis.. J. Vogel wrote: Sorry for the noise for those of you not familiar with Missouri, but does one of the Wisps on this list operating in Missouri have any recommendations for crane services I should contact to assist in removing a 140` (Rohn SSV) tower located about 75 miles east of St. Louis? Email me offlist if you wish. Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming John Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Missouri Crane service
Thanks. I have a call in to Gabriele crane service in Rolla, but they haven't yet returned it. The tower is in St. James. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark McElvy wrote: I know there is a crane service in Rolla, MO, never used them and don't know the name offhand. Did you buy that tower in St James? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Missouri Crane service Correction: I should have said... about 75 miles WEST of St. Louis.. J. Vogel wrote: Sorry for the noise for those of you not familiar with Missouri, but does one of the Wisps on this list operating in Missouri have any recommendations for crane services I should contact to assist in removing a 140` (Rohn SSV) tower located about 75 miles east of St. Louis? Email me offlist if you wish. Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming John Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MT Bridge quits bridging.
I have a Mikrotik unit that had been running pretty flawlessly for almost a year that has failed 3 times in the last 2 1/2 days or so. The unit is a RB532 with MT 2.9.28 on it, 32 MB Ram, 265Mhz processor, Atheros AR5213 radio bridged to ether1, WDS, associated to its sister unit for a ptp link. When it fails, I can ping and log in to the radio from either interface. There doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary, I have all logging set to remote, and nothing shows up on the log server, but no traffic seems to be bridged between the ether1 and wlan1 interfaces. Ping watchdog doesn't do any good, since both interfaces work fine, and pings from the unit to network devices on either side of the bridge are successful. Pings through the unit fail however, as does all other traffic.. Power cycling the unit, or logging in to it and executing a reboot fixes it. Any ideas what is causing this to happen, or how to prevent it? I suspect malicious packets being sent through (or to.. although it has only an rfc 1918 address on it) the unit as the culprit. I do have a few firewall rules on it, although that is minimal. The last two times it locked up were just before 5:00 pm. Maybe when the kids got home from school and someone turned on a virus infected computer? John Vogel -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.
Travis brings up a good point I think. When I purchased insurance on my bucket truck, I specifically asked the agent about possible problems with it being a bucket truck, and he assured me that as far as the automotive liability insurance was concerned, the bucket had no effect, as any mis-haps involving the use of the bucket itself would not fall under automotive insurance policies. It would effect comprehensive insurance as the value of the truck would be increased, but my truck is old enough I just took liability on it. I too think issues with the use of the bucket would more likely be covered under my general liability policy, unless it was a case of employee injury (falling out of the bucket) which would fall under workman's comp. Meanwhile, I use the truck because it is so much safer for me (and any employee's I might hire) than working from a ladder. The holder of my general business liability may well disclaim any responsibility because they think it should be the automotive insurer's. :) I hope I never have to find out. John Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, There are several other factors to consider here insurance on the vehicle itself is to cover if you damage someone else's property (vehicle) by getting into an accident on the road. You may also have full-coverage insurance to pay to fix the bucket truck itself. However, the other issue is general liability insurance... if you have someone in the bucket and they go thru someone's roof because they aren't paying attention, wouldn't that be covered by your general liability policy, rather than the auto insurance policy? Travis Microserv P.S. In almost 10 years in the wireless business, and well over 1,000,000 miles logged on over 20 wireless vehicles during that time (including several bucket trucks), we have never had an insurance claim... yet my rates continue to go up every year... :( Tom DeReggi wrote: When you put it that way... It does bring a new perpective to think about. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tim Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs. Tom, I do share some of same views that You have. I just thought it would be a good idea to present the pros and cons of omitting information. There are 2 types of insurance customers it seems?. The first one is like Yourself. You buy the insurance because You have to, and the thought of using it doesn't really cross Your mind for all the reasons You mentioned below. If it were possible, I am sure that insurance CO's would love to find a way to discern the quality customers from the irresponsible ones, and charge lower rates based on this fact, and the fact that the bucket is only used once a month?. That sad part is there is no real way to do this, as insurance is based on the law of large #'s, and in order for it to work, everyone must be lumped together in one big pool(for lack of other words?). Your customer profile is fairly common though. I respect the fact that when the truck is in the field, only responsible operators like Yourself will be operating the bucket, being extra cautious as to whats going on around You and whats happening when the boom is moving etc. This is the way it should be at all times. Now lets move on to the second type of customer(The most uncommon, believe it or not?). This person usually does everything they can to cut corners, not only with work ethics and install qualities but also with their level of responsibilties in the day to day operation of their business. This customer will hire the cheapest employee that will work for them, skimp on safety and vehicle maintainence, owe $$ to most of the vendors he or she does business with and they will usually try and call their employees Sub-contractors, trying to avoid paying taxes and workmans compensation to make more $$(This is really an entirely different topic, but I am just using this as an example?). This risk taking carries over to things such as the safe use of a bucket truck. If You remember, I mentioned that the people that work for this person are really only there because they can not find a job anywhere else, and our business owner in question hires them because it is cheap labor. The day comes when the bucket truck is needed for an install, and our employee gets behind the wheel to do the job(Keep in mind that our employee was up half the night boozing with his/her friends, and just found it their spouse is messing with the neighbor). When at the job site, this employee will not have very good safety principles, and will do something really dumb like tear the service head for the electric off the wall of the house and tear down the cable CO's fiber line, along with the local Telco's phone
[WISPA] SR9 problems..
I finally got a chance to play with the SR9 cards I got in last week. Installed them in a RB532 running 2.9.30, along with one Prism nl-2511mp plus and a RouterBoard r52 (Atheros chipset?). Not working. First off, the SR9s are big enough that they don't fit everwhere you might think they should... such as on the top side of a RB112. Neither do they fit in one of the two slots in the expansion daughterboard for a RB532. Swapping cards around, I did get the two SR9s in with the other two cards above. One is on the daughterboard, the other is (I think) on the back side of RB532. Fired up the system, and it shows four wireless interfaces. The Prism, and the rb52 (which shows up as Atheros AR5413) both work, am able to configure them and pass traffic through them as desired. The other two interfaces are listed as AR5213 cards. Is that correct? When I attempt to configure those interfaces (using winbox) the only option I have available for the RF band is 2.4Ghz, along with the B,G 10mHz and 5 mHz options in that band. Channels 1 through 11 in the 2.4 range are available for me to select. Nothing about 900 mHz. What am I doing wrong? John -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mini-PCI self interference
I haven't tested with equipment, but I am running several repeaters with two 2.4 Ghz cards in the same enclosure (on the same board) without issue. I am even managing to do it without any separation to speak of on the antennas, as they are mounted within 18 inches of each other in several cases. No apparent problems with interference that I can detect, as long as the channel separation is adequate. John Tom DeReggi wrote: Has anyonoe tested the amount of self interference created between two MiniPCI RF cards mounted in the same box in the same spectrum range? Does the connector bleed RF? My original thought for multi-Slot boards (Mikroti/WAR) was that if I wanted to put in 4 cards, I could put in a 2.4, 900, 5.3, and 5.8G all in the same box without self interference since they were in different spectrum ranges. But can two cards be put in, within the same range (Qty 2- 5.3Ghz cards for example) without interference? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR9 problems.. Hi, I wouldn't recommend more than one SR9 per RB532. They draw a lot of power, and you will probably burn up your RB after a while. Also, there is a frequency conversion chart in the Mikrotik forums on how the 2.4ghz channels translate to the 900mhz channels. Mikrotik will be fixing this in the 3.0 release. Travis Microserv J. Vogel wrote: I finally got a chance to play with the SR9 cards I got in last week. Installed them in a RB532 running 2.9.30, along with one Prism nl-2511mp plus and a RouterBoard r52 (Atheros chipset?). Not working. First off, the SR9s are big enough that they don't fit everwhere you might think they should... such as on the top side of a RB112. Neither do they fit in one of the two slots in the expansion daughterboard for a RB532. Swapping cards around, I did get the two SR9s in with the other two cards above. One is on the daughterboard, the other is (I think) on the back side of RB532. Fired up the system, and it shows four wireless interfaces. The Prism, and the rb52 (which shows up as Atheros AR5413) both work, am able to configure them and pass traffic through them as desired. The other two interfaces are listed as AR5213 cards. Is that correct? When I attempt to configure those interfaces (using winbox) the only option I have available for the RF band is 2.4Ghz, along with the B,G 10mHz and 5 mHz options in that band. Channels 1 through 11 in the 2.4 range are available for me to select. Nothing about 900 mHz. What am I doing wrong? John -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Motor controlled rotating poles
It looks to me like all that is needed is a slip ring for power. Surely a WISP will be able to figure out how to get data to/from the rotating units without using wires. :) John Brett Hays wrote: Wow, an ethernet slip ring...bet that could cause all sorts of problems. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Motor controlled rotating poles I think a simple TV antenna rotator would do the trick. If you got an IP camera with dry contact outputs, like the Axis network cameras, you could wire up some relays connected to the outputs of the camera that would rotate the pole in either direction. The contact outputs on the axis cameras can be controlled through the web interface. You'd need a slip ring arrangement of some sort or limit switches on the rotator so that your ethernet and control cables don't get all wrapped up when the pole rotates, of course. Patrick Tom, I would try and look up something from the ham radio realm. They have remote control systems for remote mounted radios. My idea would be is you can find something with a software package that can remotely control a rotor. This rotor would have your AP and camera mounted to the short section of mast on top of the rotor. This could be an inexpensive TV antenna rotor. Off the top of my head I can't think of anything that I know does this but that's because I don't play with remote controlled radios much. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Motor controlled rotating poles For the longest time, I wanted to build a solution to do the following, from each of our Master Cell Sites 1) Rotate a IP Camera 360 deg (remotely over an IP connection) 2) Rotate a Pole with a Trango Fox 5800SU on it 360 deg (remotely over IP connection). The purpose is two fold When Link quality severally degrades for a short period, either packet loss or rssi, 1) To discover/view when there is a third party worker working on the roof of our cell site. (Who may be standing in front of antennas periodically or testing gear that interfers without getting pre-approved) 2) To do a spectrum site survey, on the fly in any direction, to find the least noisy channel, WITHOUT taking the primary sector antenna down (offline). By having the radio and the camera on the same pole, it would help confirm which direction we were pointing exactly when doing the survey. One of the other requirements is that it won't turn more that 360 in one direction to prevent cable CAT5 breaking, and to ahve a refference of the starting point in deg, calibrated to a known direction (north 0 deg?). What would REALLY be cool, is if it had a speaker out put on the camera, so I could yell at the worker standing in front of my antenna :-). I'm aware that some camera may have an output for controlling a relay or servo motor, as some solutions/platforms exist to mount and rotate a single camera attached. Preferably, I'd like a solution that could rotate the pole itself. Everything of course would need to be outdoor survivable, and strong enough that the pole would stay errect and safe at 200-300 feet up. My thought is that maybe the controls could be initiated from the IP Camera connections, If I found a rotating platform/pole mount. Are there any mechanical hobbyists out there, that might suggest the most cost effective way to accomplish this? (My goal is lowest cost, lowest cost, lowest cost, so I can afford to replicate the solution at about 20 locations) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients
Does that BreezeACCESS CPE do 5 mile *NECLoS shots? Usable links that is... Serious question... I don't know. If it does, I will have to re-think how I am doing things John * Not Even Close to Line of Sight... Patrick Leary wrote: Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS CPE (under the AlvarionCOMNET program) without needing to piece things together so the points of failure risk and truck roll is both much smaller, not to mention a warranty and domestic supply and support. VL CPE comes with mounting hardware too and the cable. Our stuff is also all fully FCC legal. (donning flame suit now) - Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients Exactly, after you add the rootenna, you are at $348, plus International Shipping charges (if in US). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: cw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients http://www.star-v3.com/store/ $262 ea in ten packs + roo. Rick Smith wrote: Where are people buying their SR9 client setups, if at all ? What kind of pricing per CPE I'm looking at a couple places, and coming back with like $350 each for a rootenna / cable / SR9 / P.S. and RB112 Anyone see anything different ? R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????
John, Maybe I missed something, but how do you get from Travis' statement that any user could do it, to questioning Travis as to whether that was a claim to have done it himself? John Vogel John Scrivner wrote: Travis, Are saying you are using 5.4 GHz radios in the US? Scriv Travis Johnson wrote: snip Yes, DoD may have a little more push with the FCC, but, who's to say someone can't buy 5.4ghz right now today and put it up? Any user with internet access could order and install a 5.4ghz AP tomorrow for less than $300... Travis -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] UHF tower co-location
looking for someone that knows more about this than me (which may be most everybody) to give me a quick heads-up.. Up to this point, all of the access points I have deployed have been on water towers or buildings which did not have any other significant RF equipment on them. I may have an opportunity to co-locate on a UHF TV transmitter tower now though. Can someone tell me in just a few words whether or not I should even consider mounting WISP equipment on such a tower, and what some of the issues I would face would be? According to the FCC site, the tower is operating between 566-572 mhz at about 12.5kW analog, and 7.2kW digital. Interference in unlicensed bands (900mHz, 2.4gHz, and 5.8gHz), radio frequency hazards etc... any information you could give me would be helpful. John -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] outside connection
I have used these with some success. http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.asp?SKU=565-0107R=565%2D0107sid=45F9DE0075EFE17F John Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We sometimes have to move people's radios because of tree growth, changing towers, etc. The biggest pain is having to re-run the CAT5 cable because it won't reach. Has anyone ever seen some type of outdoor coupler or even something you could put around a normal coupler and just extend the cable without re-running the whole thing? Thanks, Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] outside connection
*grin* The some success part was because they could yet fail, and I haven't used a lot of them. maybe 5 or 6. I have some out for a couple of years now, and have yet to have one fail, but I sure wouldn't want to bet my entire business case on them, or any other splice method either. :) John Brian Rohrbacher wrote: some success :) They have leaked for me. If I have to splice I try to do it inside at point of entry with a coupler or keystone jack. If it has to be done outside I use these.. http://www.shop.com/op/~PETRA_300_071_UY_Gel_Splice_Connector_2_Port-prod-30304739-39574282?sourceid=3 and mastic and super 33+. Brian J. Vogel wrote: I have used these with some success. http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.asp?SKU=565-0107R=565%2D0107sid=45F9DE0075EFE17F John Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We sometimes have to move people's radios because of tree growth, changing towers, etc. The biggest pain is having to re-run the CAT5 cable because it won't reach. Has anyone ever seen some type of outdoor coupler or even something you could put around a normal coupler and just extend the cable without re-running the whole thing? Thanks, Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Non-paying Subs
Incidentally, my experience is like others have mentioned... you should make plans to be available when you turn them off, because they will be making contact. I have on more than one occasion had people show up at my door, cash in hand, within 20 minutes of me having redirected them, and I live in the middle of nowhere. :) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Non-paying Subs
Using Iptables, it is fairly straightforward, and can be accomplished in Mikrotik as well. I set up rules in a separate chain to allow access to certain things, such as my payment server, DNS, and a couple of other things i wanted to let even the restricted people access but then direct all port 80 and 443 traffic (DstNAT) to my web server ip on port 88. The web server is set up to serve one page only at that virtualhost, but I think more importantly, it is also set up with ReDirect rules to catch all URI's and redirect them to the one page, and it is ALSO set up to instruct the browser to not cache those pages. e.g. http://yahoo.com/somthing/another/index.html is redirected (transparently.. their address bar still shows that they are at yahoo.com, but the page they see is my you are restricted page) as is http://yahoo.com/ or google.com, none of which gives a 404 error on my web server because of the ReWrite rules. However, my page is not stored in their browser cache, so that when I turn them back on, all they have to do is hit refresh and they immediately get the real page they were attempting to get in the first place, not my (cached) page. I also have a link to my payment gateway on the restricted page, and rules in ipchains to allow them to access it. Since I do NOT know who might be using whomever's computer, I do not specifically say on that page WHY they are restricted, as that might be a violation of the customer's privacy. It might be their visiting mother-in-law that was the first to see the you haven't paid your bill message. Instead, I have a list of several possible reasons why they are being restricted, including misconfiguration of their computer, spamming, worms, viruses, non-payment, I made a mistake, etc D. Ryan Spott wrote: Hey Sam, want to elaborate? How do you do this? Thanks! ryan -Original Message- From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: 11/23/07 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-paying Subs And if you have a way to send them to a captive page that says the account has been restricted due to billing issues we have found that the respond even quicker. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mark Nash wrote: Hey everyone. I've recently cleaned up alot of billing/past due issues. My main comment here is that it's amazing how responsive people are when you turn their connection off due to nonpayment. They are generally not upset because they know they haven't been paying. Don't be afraid to get in the habit of checking your billing and turning people off for nonpayment. It's expected. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises, LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux command question
It is not sed, but this ought to work... perl -pi -e 's/Templates//sgi'/path_to_directory_containing files/* You could also (recommended) have it create a backup file for every file edited (Google perl command line editing) or you could also find all the files containing the word templates and process only those.. e.g. perl -pi -e 's/Templates//sgi' `grep -l Templates /path_to_directory_containing files/*` Disclaimer - the above examples are just off the top of my head and have not been double-checked for accuracy, fitness for purpose, effectiveness, or anything else. Use at your own risk. John Ryan Langseth wrote: Its been awhile since I used sed, and I can not figure out to read and write to the same file. Since you are doing this with a backup of the files, correct? Here is a way to make it work mkdir newfiles for file in `ls .`; do sed -e 's|../../Templates/||g' $file newfiles/$file echo done The edited files will be in newfiles/ Note: I used | instead of / for the delimiter, sed can use different delimiters as long as you are consistent in the script. http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html Ryan On Dec 15, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm not looking to remove the files, but to remove the text string ../../Templates/ from those files. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: [WISPA] Linux command question Would the following command remove ../../Templates/ from all files in the /home/devicsil/public_html/Templates directory? for file in ls /home/devicsil/public_html/Templates ; do sed -e 's/..\/..\/Templates\///g' $file echo done - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises, LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] IPTV - SkyAngel
I have received several inquiries from customers and potential customers in recent days asking if their internet connection received through me would handle SkyAngel IPTV. SkyAngel is a family/religious television and radio network that to this point had been utilizing one of Dish Network's satellites for broadcasting, but they are shutting down the satellite service in the near future, and advising their current customers to switch to the IPTV service, which is new. Have others on this list had customers asking about this, and what are you answering them? How do you plan to handle the additional bandwidth requirements. They say they stream ~900 kbps... What do you think of the section of their FAQ regarding ISPs and bandwidth which can be found at http://www.skyangel.com/IPTV/Index.asp?ws=vReference=EquipFAQs~=#q4 (tinyurl) *http://tinyurl.com/yunakf * -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.
Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a site survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the customers computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP, although it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop, sitting on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great signal strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed out the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, antennas, everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My laptop however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels. Is there an explanation for what I was seeing? -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.
Chris- The laptop and the PCI card in the desktop are not equal... the laptop is an old hp pavilion ze4900 with the stock card/antenna, and the PCI card was branded LevelOne WNC-301. Not sure of the specs on either, but I have used a lot of those PCI cards... 40+, and they have consistently performed well, and way better than the laptop has. So yes, it is possible that the PCI card is hearing something that the laptop isn't... but it doesn't seem to be affecting the AP. I did try a small panel antenna on the PCI card instead of the omni that came with it, and there was no difference, but that little panel (one of the D-Link 7db ones i think) isn't overly directional either. It is just really strange to be sitting next to the desktop unit, logged in with my laptop, able to use WinBox to manipulate the channels on the AP, never drop the connection with the laptop, never even have to re-login to winbox, because the laptop followed the AP channels fast enough, cycle through all of the channels, and watch the desktop right next to me fail to even detect the AP on channels 1-8, and connect with RSSI's of 60-65 on channels 9-11. I thought of interference from something, but... Is it possible that the interference could be within the Desktop unit itself? It was a Dell. Could it have been a driver issue? I did change the PCI slot the card was in also, but that didn't change anything either. John chris cooper wrote: John- It sounds like you might have noise impacting the local AP on channels 1-6. Is the power and receive sensitivity the same on your laptop vs. the customer PC? That might be the reason you are seeing the difference in performance between the two. Did you run netstumbler or otherwise look at the spectrum? Any chances of a local interferer in the house or garage? chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything. Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a site survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the customers computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP, although it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop, sitting on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great signal strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed out the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, antennas, everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My laptop however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels. Is there an explanation for what I was seeing? -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.
Thanks for the reply. Good advice from both you and Chris. I actually am just using the plain jane wireless adapter that walmart had put in this old HP Pavilion ze4900. As a general rule it does fairly well, but not so well that it would out-perform the PCI cards I use. I figure if the laptop will connect, the PCI card will definitely work, usually a lot better. Unless... something happens like what did yesterday. Sure wish I knew what was happening. The recommendation for wi-spy is appreciated. John Mark Williams wrote: I have seen this before also. Chris is right to mention that the desktop and your laptop are likely reacting differently due to rec. sens. and / or power , IE fade margin differences. Not trying to shamelessly plug products here, but I find a wi-spy to be very helpful in this situation. Sometimes the noise source is simply not wifi related and the wi-spy will help you to identify the best frequency selection. Also, I HIGHLY recommend that you standardize on deployed wifi bridges / adapters and make sure you run the same equipment in your laptop. I've seen a lot of WISP techs who add higher end / power wifi adapters in their laptops and while it may be greatly beneficial from a daily use standpoint, as a tech it detracts from your ability to diagnose customer SINR issues. There are many non-wifi noise sources and the WiSpy is very much worth having. -Mark Williams On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 09:41 -0400, chris cooper wrote: John- It sounds like you might have noise impacting the local AP on channels 1-6. Is the power and receive sensitivity the same on your laptop vs. the customer PC? That might be the reason you are seeing the difference in performance between the two. Did you run netstumbler or otherwise look at the spectrum? Any chances of a local interferer in the house or garage? chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything. Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a site survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the customers computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP, although it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop, sitting on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great signal strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed out the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, antennas, everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My laptop however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels. Is there an explanation for what I was seeing? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.
Today I got another try at this. Customer told me that they had lost all connectivity the last couple of days. When I left, the AP was set on one of the three channels the internal PCI card would see, and all was working. When I got back there today, the internal PCI card would not see/connect to the ap even on the channel that had previously been working. I had taken a Senao CB3 bridge with me today, with the stock rubber-ducky antenna, thinking that if both it and my laptop could connect, but the internal pci card with external antenna could not, that might indicate the problem was with their computer. Sure enough, when I plugged the CB3 in, it connected immediately. I tried it while switching the AP to all the different channels. Even when I took the antenna off of it to attempt to dissassociate it from the AP (to resolve an IP address conflict) the CB3 remained connected. I couldn't get it to disconnect. On any channel. Could it be that the Dell desktop has something internal creating a lot of RF noise? Or driver issues? This is an older couple, pretty rural, no fancy stuff like Wireless cams, they do have a phone, but it is 5.8Ghz. nearest neighbors are about 1/4 mile. I suppose that my probable next step is to take another desktop unit up there and put the PCI card in it to see what happens. John George Rogato wrote: It could be something else in the 2.4 gig range that is not wifi and thats why you can't see it in a survey. Something that comes to mind, 2.4gig cameras. The proprietary ones that are not wifi or ip cams. George J. Vogel wrote: Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a site survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the customers computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP, although it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop, sitting on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great signal strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed out the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, antennas, everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My laptop however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels. Is there an explanation for what I was seeing? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
It seems to me that in the ensuing discussion of this, there are several models proposed that do not take into account any costs other than bandwidth cost. I would think that one should calculate what it costs to aquire and maintain a customer, including office/support/billing/equipment etc... which added together are a significant part of where the money goes. I read somewhere that bandwidth is only 5-10% of the average ISP's budget. I wish that were my own experience. I suspect that a base of $20-30/month would be a reasonable amount, BEFORE adding any bandwidth cost. Then.. if it costs $1 or $2 per gig of data transfer, that can be added to the base, perhaps calculating an amount that would cover 90+% of users and including that amount in the flat-rate MRC, and charging overages for data transfers over that amount. A simple $2/gig charge on a customer that only transfers 1 gig/month is going to make that customer a losing proposition for me. Mike Hammett wrote: So what types of rates would be appropriate for a metered broadband service? It obviously depends on what your costs are. I'll just throw something out to start a conversation, not necessarily reflective of any costs. $2/gig transferred, no other costs or limits. $10 base, $1.50/gig transferred, no other limits. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:49:43 -0400, Adam Greene wrote extracting a snippet from Adam's interesting prose A: No. The petition proposes CALEA coverage of only broadband Internet access service and broadband telephony service. Other Internet-based services, including those classified as information services such as email and visits to websites, would not be covered. /snip On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 wispa wrote in reply: extracting a relevant portion of the reply Read this carefully, it says that website visits, IM, etc, are NOT included in the information you must capture. Yeah, yeah, it says the companies that provide those services need not be compliant - if that's the case, then that data is not included in the required types. Only specific types of information, mostly being VIOP calls are detailed. Since VOIP calls are tapped at the provider's end, it appears that really IS NO INCLUDED DATA that needs to be tapped at the ISP's end, unless somehow we're supposed to find peer to peer voice data buried in the packet flow or something. Of course, this conflicts to some degree with other information published elsewhere... and here, too. I'm not sure it doesn't conflict with the FCC's and FBI's recent comments, too. /snip Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 I think the assertion that website visits, IM, etc, are not included actually is a statement that those subject to the provisions of CALEA are not defined by whether or not they offer visits to websites or IM capability, but rather whether or not they offer broadband internet access. Such as an Internet access provider who does not qualify as a broadband provider (dial-up?) is not subject to the provisions of CALEA, even though they may enable the public to utilize email over their networks, whereas a provider of broadband internet access is subject to those provisions, simply because they offer broadband, but not because their users have email capability. It is then up to the LEA's and courts to determine what they want to sniff, which may or may not include the email, IM, web site visits, etc... Of course, IANAL. John Vogel -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA?
... I wish now that I had paid more attention in History classes Which of the founding fathers said something to the effect that the proper response of the citizenry to an unjust law was to ignore/disobey it? John Vogel Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 2 May 2007, Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Changing the laws happens MUCH quicker if a mass of people openly oppose it. Your country was founded on that very principle. Yes it does (sometimes). Open opposition to a law and advocating criminal action are not the same thing. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Hotspot setup
Is it possible to use MT Hotspot feature with clients that already have a public static IP address? I have a client that wants to be able to turn off their Internet Access when not being used.. they have a couple of computers in their office that unauthorized people may have access to when they step out of the office for a minute or two, and want to prevent those unauthorized people from using the computer(s) to access the internet. The set up is like this... client computers connected to a D-Link router, NAT/DHCP addressing. The D-Link has a static public IP on the WAN side. The D-Link accesses the Internet through a Tranzeo CPE configured in bridge mode, which is associated to the MT Access point. It is at this point that I would like to configure the hotspot, but only for this one client. Further info... The MT AP is also acting as a transparent bridge, receiving traffic on the AP side, and sending it to the network Gateway out ether1 (which goes through two more transparent bridges before it gets to the GW). The MT that is acting as AP for this client is on OS 2.9.35 The MT AP currently has a private IP address. I could put a public IP on it and switch it to a routed segment at some point, but would rather not have to do that before setting this hotspot up for this client if that is at all possible. My thoughts are that it would be great to intercept traffic coming from the customer's public IP and direct it to the hotspot's walled garden until they provide a username and password, the enable access until they either log out or are inactive for a given number of minutes, or possible after a maximum length of time. I know that I can use the MT to direct traffic to a walled garden manually (I have used it like that to manually disable a customer's access) but would like to use it with the client login/logout feature. If someone has some pointers, or is willing to help me set this up, I would greatly appreciate any help. John Vogel -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot setup
Does that work on Win98? John Vogel CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Why knock your self out, use the two finger lock, windows key and L Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:41 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot setup Is it possible to use MT Hotspot feature with clients that already have a public static IP address? I have a client that wants to be able to turn off their Internet Access when not being used.. they have a couple of computers in their office that unauthorized people may have access to when they step out of the office for a minute or two, and want to prevent those unauthorized people from using the computer(s) to access the internet. The set up is like this... client computers connected to a D-Link router, NAT/DHCP addressing. The D-Link has a static public IP on the WAN side. The D-Link accesses the Internet through a Tranzeo CPE configured in bridge mode, which is associated to the MT Access point. It is at this point that I would like to configure the hotspot, but only for this one client. Further info... The MT AP is also acting as a transparent bridge, receiving traffic on the AP side, and sending it to the network Gateway out ether1 (which goes through two more transparent bridges before it gets to the GW). The MT that is acting as AP for this client is on OS 2.9.35 The MT AP currently has a private IP address. I could put a public IP on it and switch it to a routed segment at some point, but would rather not have to do that before setting this hotspot up for this client if that is at all possible. My thoughts are that it would be great to intercept traffic coming from the customer's public IP and direct it to the hotspot's walled garden until they provide a username and password, the enable access until they either log out or are inactive for a given number of minutes, or possible after a maximum length of time. I know that I can use the MT to direct traffic to a walled garden manually (I have used it like that to manually disable a customer's access) but would like to use it with the client login/logout feature. If someone has some pointers, or is willing to help me set this up, I would greatly appreciate any help. John Vogel -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot setup
I do appreciate that Dennis and Chuck have both taken the time and effort to respond, but unfortunately - I still don't have an answer to the original question. Is there a way to set the MT HotSpot feature to handle logons for a customer who desires to be able to disable internet access from their location when that customer's router already has a static public IP address. For a variety of reasons, I would like to be able to accomplish this rather than tell the customer such a thing is not possible, or that they need to buy new computers, or that they should not let their kids use the computers to play games on because they cannot guarantee that the kids will not access the internet when they were not supposed to, or. Refer to my original post for more information, or contact me directly if you think such a thing can be done or even if you think it cannot be done. Thanks! John Vogel Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless wrote: Lol ;) bingo! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:53 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Hotspot setup I don't know. But since 98 is no longer supported sell them an xp pro upgrade. Then it will work. And you'll make some money. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot setup Does that work on Win98? John Vogel CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Why knock your self out, use the two finger lock, windows key and L Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:41 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot setup Is it possible to use MT Hotspot feature with clients that already have a public static IP address? I have a client that wants to be able to turn off their Internet Access when not being used.. they have a couple of computers in their office that unauthorized people may have access to when they step out of the office for a minute or two, and want to prevent those unauthorized people from using the computer(s) to access the internet. The set up is like this... client computers connected to a D-Link router, NAT/DHCP addressing. The D-Link has a static public IP on the WAN side. The D-Link accesses the Internet through a Tranzeo CPE configured in bridge mode, which is associated to the MT Access point. It is at this point that I would like to configure the hotspot, but only for this one client. Further info... The MT AP is also acting as a transparent bridge, receiving traffic on the AP side, and sending it to the network Gateway out ether1 (which goes through two more transparent bridges before it gets to the GW). The MT that is acting as AP for this client is on OS 2.9.35 The MT AP currently has a private IP address. I could put a public IP on it and switch it to a routed segment at some point, but would rather not have to do that before setting this hotspot up for this client if that is at all possible. My thoughts are that it would be great to intercept traffic coming from the customer's public IP and direct it to the hotspot's walled garden until they provide a username and password, the enable access until they either log out or are inactive for a given number of minutes, or possible after a maximum length of time. I know that I can use the MT to direct traffic to a walled garden manually (I have used it like that to manually disable a customer's access) but would like to use it with the client login/logout feature. If someone has some pointers, or is willing to help me set this up, I would greatly appreciate any help. John Vogel -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts
Carl Shivers wrote: We are going to be mounting Panel Sector antennas to 2 Water Towers. One tower is ideal with a rail that has been designed for pipe mounting. The other is not so kind. It simply has a ladder up the side and over the top, no catwalk. We were thinking about using one of those 170 lbs. Water Tower mounts. This means we either have to get a welder up there to weld the plates or come up with an industrial epoxy solution. I have successfully used magnets on a couple of towers for 2 years now... I don't completely trust them, so I also run a safety cable around the mast and anchor it to a solid projection on the tower so that if the magnets did turn loose, the mast wouldn't hit the ground, but in two years, and through several thunderstorms and pretty good winds, the magnets haven't shifted a bit that I can see. -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises, LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts
of the community. John Clint Ricker wrote: Not to ruffle any feathers and not directed at anyone, but lack of problems on a single install does not always coincide with proper approaches on this sort of thing. Best practices are just that--the best approach(es) to doing technical work--there are also bad practices, not so good practices, it may work practices, it should hold practices, and we'll deal with that later practices. They often will get the job done, but, just so that we're all clear on this, none of the later category, no matter how many one-off implementations are functional to some degree or another, will ever be best practices. Personally, if I was in your town or especially on any sort of a planning board or whatever, I'd be fairly nervous about the idea of big heavy objects being held up by magnets, especially when (seemingly) it is being done by people who don't necessarily have a lot of experience with calculating load bearing stuff with magnets. The fact that you hold up anecdotal evidence as a basis for its validity rather than it's engineered to withstand 100Mph winds or whatever pretty much illustrates my point--this is just a bad idea. Just keep in mind that one falling antenna that kills one person is enough to bring out major liability lawsuits that you will not be covered against, not to mention bringing some fairly major legislative regulation and licensing requirements for mounting affecting the whole industry. If I knew that antennas in my area were be magnet-mounted by amateurs, I would be personally leading the charge for some regulation on this. Ok, sorry for any offense. I'm not trying to flame anyone, but this is just not a good idea. -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 7/12/07, Ray Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carl We used one from Tessco that has a collar that bolts around the vent on top of tank and adjustable legs for leveling.It has been up there 4 years with no problems.It was easy to install approx 1hour. Ray Hill - Original Message - From: J. Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts Carl Shivers wrote: We are going to be mounting Panel Sector antennas to 2 Water Towers. One tower is ideal with a rail that has been designed for pipe mounting. The other is not so kind. It simply has a ladder up the side and over the top, no catwalk. We were thinking about using one of those 170 lbs. Water Tower mounts. This means we either have to get a welder up there to weld the plates or come up with an industrial epoxy solution. I have successfully used magnets on a couple of towers for 2 years now... I don't completely trust them, so I also run a safety cable around the mast and anchor it to a solid projection on the tower so that if the magnets did turn loose, the mast wouldn't hit the ground, but in two years, and through several thunderstorms and pretty good winds, the magnets haven't shifted a bit that I can see. -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises, LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts
Not to argue with you JohnnyO, :) but the last time I hired professionals (just recently in fact) to do something I could well have done myself, it was because I was lazy and cheap. I didn't have the time, nor the inclination to do something myself, so I hired a professional crew to do it for me. And I do mean professional. A highly experienced, regionally known, and well respected in the industry, firm. I was there to watch the work being done, and I can tell you that had safety, efficiency, and getting the job done according to all relevant best current practices been the criteria, the amateur crew I would have hired had I wanted to spend the time money and energy to do it myself would have been a far better choice. I may be lazy and cheap, but that is really irrelevant to the thread at hand. John JohnnyO wrote: I think magnetic mounts are used by lazy / cheap people who do not want to spend the $$ nor the time to do it right. Get a professional welder... Be done with it, sleep at night. A magnetic mount would never fly with our approval board on our water tower systems. JohnnyO ps - I have a few friends on this list that use magnetic mounts. they are lazy / cheap :) LOL - Original Message - From: J. Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts I don't intend to ruffle any feathers, nor do I direct this at any one individual but, the number of assumptions made and the knee-jerk reactions and false statements being made in response to a suggestion that magnetic mounts can be successfully used in some circumstances is both amazing and somewhat disappointing. I would have hoped that we could have a more professional atmosphere on this list. Best practices if it in this case is taken to mean to use a commercially available professionally engineered mount which has been engineered to withstand 100 mph wind loads (to use an arbitrary example) instead of using a mounting system which will withstand much more than that, albeit not a professionally engineered solution is just wrong. I would rather go with the stronger, more stable solution rather than compromise on the integrity of the mounting to attain the engineer's label. Whether that is best or not I suppose would depend upon whether your goal was safety or following the norm. It has been suggested in another post that nothing should ever be mounted on a tower that some idiot might at some point decided to use as a tie-off anchor point. That is a good idea in practice, but how many of us have attached a lightweight yagi antenna to a tower leg, assuming that nobody would ever be foolish enough to use it to tie off to, or even use as a foothold or handhold? Are we supposed to only use yagi antennas engineered to withstand improper use in case some idiot decides to tie off to one? What about omni antennas consisting of a thin metal rod, possibly encased in a small fiberglass tube? The point is that while safety should be a top priority, the goal of never mounting something on a tower that could at some point be mis-used as an anchor or support point is an unrealistic goal, which I would go so far as to say that those who propose such a goal have not been able to meet themselves, assuming that they have actually mounted equipment on towers. As far as mounting heavy stuff which might fall off and hurt someone, I would assume that the reaction(s) in this thread would indicate that non-penetrating roof mounts, chimmney mount brackets, clamping to roof vents not specifically engineered to withstand such use, and all other forms of mounting which might under some conditions fail and allow the heavy objects to fall would be outlawed in your town were you given the regulatory authority to do so. Or, perhaps because they were designed by professionals they would pass muster in your book in spite of the fact that any fool looking at them could imagine a likely scenario in which they would fail. I have seen numerous professionally engineered solutions which I would not use in a given circumstance because of the likelihood of it failing, and have in several instances used a solution designed by an amateur (me) so that I could rest easier at night, knowing that I have done what I could to mitigate the actual risk to life and property. Sometimes that means doing things in a way that is out of the norm, which scares some people. That they are scared by that which is not normal without a rational basis for their fear is disheartening. Many rules and regulations have been foisted upon us and have limited the options available to those less suited for the job at hand simply because of those irrational fears. I have seen mounts which were professionally mounted to towers using welded studs (either welded to existing towers or in some cases to towers being
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts
Clint, Thank you for the civil reply. You are still making assumptions which are in fact un-founded. Nowhere in my post did I state the weights and dimensions of what I have secured to towers using magnets, the number and size of magnets, their placement on the towers, proximity to areas where there might be climbers attempting find anchor points, whether they were on vertical or horizontal planes of the tower, the leverage which might have been either in favor of or against the magnets due to stresses which might be placed on the mount by winds or objects striking the antennas/masts, the methods used to tie the magnets together, wind load factor of attached equipment, or really any other technical details which would have given you or anybody else a possible basis for determining whether or not the methods used were likely to be sufficient under all forseeable circumstances, or even possible catastophic conditions. Yet you still referred to amateurs, your liklihood of dis-allowing any such mounts were you in the decision making role or in authority position, and other references that indicated that you believe that anybody that would use magnetic mounts in any circumstance (at 200 feet in the air) is doing it wrong. I believe you also referred to lack of understanding of magnet load carrying capacity and other references to the lack of ability of people (presumably including me) who might choose to use magnets to mount an antenna. I did say that I did not completely trust the mount, and immediately following that statement, stated that I had secured the mount/mast to the tower using a safety cable. I did not express surprise that the magnets had not moved, just stated that I could not detect any movement. I actually attached the safety cable because I am probably more cautious than most. I also don't completely trust most other mounting systems, and whenever possible and/or practical, take steps to add a redundant safety feature such as a safety cable, supporting braces, multiple mount points, etc... and I do this on towers that are in rural locations with no structures/and only authorized personnell being within 1/2 mile of the towers. (and only on rare occasions at that.)There is almost zero possibility of anybody or any thing being damaged or hurt should the mounts fail and the safety cable failing simultaneously. And by almost zero I mean approaching infinitesimally small odds that someone will get hurt. But then again, I am not a statistician either. :) My negative reaction to your post and those made by others was prompted by the unequivocal statements that magnet mounts are always a bad idea. I would propose that a properly designed and built mounting system secured by the proper quantity/size/power magnets strategically placed can be safer than many of the mounting systems I see in use that would not have elicited such a response had the suggestion been to use them, including some mounts I have seen that were bolted to the tower using capacitive stud welding. In fact, I believe that magnets could be used successfully to secure a mounting system that I WOULD trust my life to, and I take life very seriously. :) The original poster asked for alternative ideas for mounting some sector antennas to a tower. He did not as I recall specify the size or weight of those antennas. They likely are not very big or heavy if he is in the WISP industry. Most likely they weigh only a couple of pounds, with minimal wind loading characteristics. If that is the case, it might be entirely possible to design a mounting system that would hold them, with the mounting system exceeding the specifications of the antenna brackets themselves in terms of holding capacity and projected reliability. I did not propose to him the design of such a system, nor would I. Only a suggestion that such things can and are being done successfully, giving him another option to research. It is OK for you and others to disagree, but please, do so in a reasoned and civil manner, taking all care necessary to avoid giving the impression that you believe those with whom you are disagreeing are idiots, fools, or worse... unless of course they actually are. :) John Clint Ricker wrote: John Vogel, Disagreeing with you does not make this a less-than-professional discussion. There was nothing in my post that was unprofessional or uncivil; I simply disagree with the use of magnet-mounting equipment onto towers. If discussion on such stuff is unprofessional, then these lists have no purpose. You stated in your earlier post regarding magnets I don't completely trust them. I don't either, so we are in agreement on the matter :). Call it unprofessional of me, but I tend to think that one should avoid using mounting methods that one doesn't trust when one is dealing with big, heavy chunks of metal and what-all hundreds of feet in the air. As a general side note, any statement about mounting that involved some statement of I
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Update on T1 Mobile Wireless Service
After having read through the news releases, the impression I got was that the hope for making money was based solely on stock options and preferred purchasing (of stock) opportunities. There was no discussion that I noticed about making money on delivering Internet Access to the masses, for either the resellers or the company. Based on past history, such as the dot.com bust of a few years ago, I think that business model has been proven to be disastrous for most who attempt to make money at it, with only a select few insiders taking the cash. If you can be one of those insiders, you might do OK. If you happen to be a WISP competing against them, you really have nothing to fear from them, except for maybe a short-term blip until the consumers have learned that the business isn't about them, and the model itself fails in terms of actually providing a service at a sustainable rate. John Vogel John Scrivner wrote: Can you say FUD? I knew you could. This is my favorite line... It is pretty easy to imagine that an *always on*, fully mobile, *T1 level* wireless Internet service for only $19.95 per month would be hard to compete with for most ISPs and might have a disastrous effect on their business. But not to fear...they will work with you! Yeah right! Stay as far away from FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) as you can and you will live a much happier life. Scriv Jory Privett wrote: HiHas anyone heard of these guys? They keep calling me wanting me to sign up to resell their service saying that if I don't there new technoligy will put me out of business. So far they claim 1.5M NLOS at 30 miles. They say it will cut through trees up to 16 to 20 miles in mountain terain. And they are selling T1s for $19.95 and T3s for $70-$80 with no setup, installation, or equipment costs.. And I get a whole $3 for for each customer I sign up. They also claim to be able to sell T2 and T3 service also. They claim to have 3 licenesed frequencies but will not disclose them. Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. Lots of marketing fluff and no facts. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Jack Sample / Namia Corporation To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Update on T1 Mobile Wireless Service Hi Jory, Tuesday, July 31, 2007 Hopefully you haven't forgotten me since a lot of water has passed under the bridge since I last communicated with you regarding the T-1 to T-3 level mobile wireless Internet service that is soon to be launched on the world. Well, you may have thought that we went away but it was only a temporary delay. First of all I want to apologize to you for the early notification that turned out to be a false summit. We had felt that launch was eminent when we sent out the cards late last year. The setback was only temporary though and we are finally emerging from the quiet time and able to share what is going on with everyone. I have included the last 7 months of short notes from ItsYourNet CEO Ken Stewart to catch you up on where are are and what can be expected in the next few months. I don't have any information other than what comes out in these news briefs so just stay tuned for further developments. January 4: From ItsYourNet CEO Ken Stewart... The questions are still coming in about the Wireless Internet project and Stock in the Corporation since I released the last newsletter announcing the orders we are under with the Quiet Time on Thursday, December 22, 2006. So... Let me say this again... We are under strict orders to not say anything further about the Wireless project until authorized to do so. And as a result, these questions need to stop coming in to our support channels - Thank you! Furthermore, with a $13-Billion investor, no Seed or Preferred Stock needs to be offered and no other investment capital needs to be sought, so sale of Stock is not required to raise the money needed to launch the project. What you do and will receive as an Affiliate with ItsYourNet is notification of the Stock being made available to the public before you can learn about it going live anywhere else. We will let you know when the Stock is live for public purchase even before your Broker calls you to recommend buying it, but that is all we can do; ItsYourNet does not own the Wireless Company, and even I personally have no way to obtain Stock before it is available publicly. April 26: from ItsYourNet CEO, Ken Stewart... The Wireless Corporation CEO, Mr. Gary Brown, met with us here at ItsYourNet's office last Tuesday and shared some wonderful new developments that we've been authorized to pass on to you. The latest on the CPU / chip development is that there are now just two (2) chip manufacturers remaining
[WISPA] USF billing question
I know this has been discussed before, possibly not on this list though, and I haven't been able to find the previous discussion. I have noticed a charge for USF on my bill from my upstream provider (SBC/ATT). I have bonded T1s from them, no phone service. Is a USF charge appropriate and something I should be paying? If my other upstream is charging me for USF it isn't itemized on the bill, but I am wondering how solid the ground I am on is if I attempt to get the charge removed from the bill it is on. -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises, LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz antennas
I have a couple of the TR-24H-120-16 Product.aspx?Id=61629view=4 antennas in service for a few months, so far I am very happy with them. They look to be well built and are performing to expectation. I haven't had them long enough to give a full recommendation, but so far real good. Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Anyone have any experience with Tranzeo's TR-24H-120-16 Product.aspx?Id=61629view=4 or TR-24H-120-13 sector antennas? Product.aspx?Id=61629view=4 thanks, Travis Microserv* * ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises, LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation
Please expand upon this statement... I simply asked WISPA to publish a position on illegal operation. That doesn't mean to push it off on some code of ethics. What kind of written statement would carry more weight than the code of ethics? Please describe how any such written statement would in fact carry more weight. John Ralph wrote: Responses inline... Why should WISPA take any stance on what a wisp uses to conduct business? Because you are our industry organization What business is it of others what anyone else does? Anyone who wants to see the industry operate in a proper and legal manner. If the FCC thought what was going on was a terrible thing, they would have said so. Good idea- let's ask them. I will draft my request this week. WISPA's efforts towards compliance may be slow, but there is now certified componentized systems in the pipeline from vendors who had none in the past. Bravo to them! Who are they? Just this past week I was talking to an antenna manufacturer who told me his antennas were being certified with new manufacturers that proviously were uncertified. Ditto WISPA's goal is to see all wisps succeed. This division a couple of you are creating, is fairly destructive to any co-operative effort. When the lines get drawn and people placed on one side or the other, all we can end up with is some type of rivalry at best. ??? Confused. Who do we want to see succeed? All WISPS, you say. Including the ones who operate illegaly? The legal ones? The ones we don't see because we look the other way? I can understand and agree with the entire certification issue and those opinions expressed, but doing so in a manner that is destructive to some of our wisps is unacceptable. Uhm.. Who's it destructive to? Oh- that's right... The ones who operate illegally. I simply asked WISPA to publish a position on illegal operation. That doesn't mean to push it off on some code of ethics. This is our organization that is supposed to further our business. I'd hate to think we were afraid to stand up for what is right. There's no sort-of pregnant, and there's no sort-of Part 15 compliant. You are or you aren't That is why this isn't debatable AT ALL! Who here is operating illegally? There's one message already posted from an operator who was bragging that he was. Who is operating legally? Who will add their company to this list? Legal Illegal --- x Brightlan ? ? The rest of you Ralph Fowler Brightlan LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 3:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation Why should WISPA take any stance on what a wisp uses to conduct business? What business is it of others what anyone else does? If the FCC thought what was going on was a terrible thing, they would have said so. WISPA's efforts towards compliance may be slow, but there is now certified componentized systems in the pipeline from vendors who had none in the past. Just this past week I was talking to an antenna manufacturer who told me his antennas were being certified with new manufacturers that proviously were uncertified. WISPA's goal is to see all wisps succeed. This division a couple of you are creating, is fairly destructive to any co-operative effort. When the lines get drawn and people placed on one side or the other, all we can end up with is some type of rivalry at best. I can understand and agree with the entire certification issue and those opinions expressed, but doing so in a manner that is destructive to some of our wisps is unacceptable. Lets look for the common good of all wisps. George ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA
Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation
It doesn't really help, when attempting to clarify a misunderstood or confusing statement, to say the same thing over again. You asserted, in your posting, that the position of WISPA as stated in the code of ethics, did not meet the requirement in your opinion of being the official stance of WISPA. You are the one who should clarify just exactly how the official written statement contained in the code of ethics falls short of meeting the bar. If the code of ethics statement cannot be taken to be the official postion of WISPA,... 1. why not?, 2. what would you propose that would be adequate in your view? John Zack Kneisley wrote: Please expand upon this statement... Because you agree that WISPA supports only certified systems through a ethics statement, does not conclude that WISPA as a professional organization supports the use of only certified systems. I do not see how this statement makes any sense. The logic loses me about the does not conclude part. John Ok, I'll be happy to. I'm sorry if the logic in my statement is confusing. - 1.Because you agree that WISPA supports only certified systems through ethics statement, ***You have stated that WISPA, through its code of ethics, somehow assumes the stance that it does not condone the use of non-ceritified systems.. correct? 2.does not conclude that WISPA as a professional organization supports the use of only certified systems. ***This does not mean that WISPA take the same position. - I appoligize if I confused you. Is this the official opinion of WISPA? are you making this statement on behalf of WISPA? I don't think you are. Is it WISPA's official public position that non-certified systems are not condoned because you have a code of ethics? Are you representing WISPA with your statement? John, this is not your statement to make.. Honestly, your opinion doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is WISPA's public opinion, not yours. Zack ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises, LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trade Organizations and Consumer Mentality
I have seen several posts in the last couple of days made by non-members of WISPA stating how they could not become a part of the organization until such time as the organization changes in some way to meet their requirements. How is it that non-members, people who are unwilling to part with a year's dues, feel that they have any standing to complain about what the organization is doing (or not) when they themselves refuse to become a part of the organization and thus gain standing to influence what the organization is doing? Come on, people. It isn't going to break you to become a member. The cost is minimal. Until such time as you are willing to commit even that amount, you have absolutely no standing to complain. Is it your perception that the organization is being run by a select few, a good-ole-boys club? Want to change that? Become a member and run for election to the board. Don't want to become a member, or run for the board? Quit complaining about not having a voice. Don't agree with formal positions taken (or not) by the membership? Become a member and vote on the postions taken. Don't want to become a member and vote? Quit complaining about the positions taken (or not) by the organization. WISPA is not a store. They are not in business to come up with products to sell to you. WISPA is an group of industry members who have banded together to increase their impact especially on regulatory issues, and other ways in which the organization feels will be beneficial to its members and the industry in general. If you don't think they are doing it right, pay your dues, get involved, and work for change in the organization. If you are waiting for the organization to become what you want it to be before you are willing to commit the paltry sum required for a year's membership and some time to it, you have missed the point of what a trade organization is to begin with IMHO. If you have not yet joined the organization, on what basis do you think the organization owes you anything? (insert your own analogy here. You know the principle, those who complain the loudest are often those who refuse to take part in producing the outcome which falls short of their expectations...) The views expressed in this rant do not reflect the official position of WISPA, its board of directors, or any individual in particular. -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises, LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Merchant Services
Mike Hammett wrote: I'm speaking to my bank as well as looking at QuickBooks and PayPal for merchant services (CC processing). Opinions? I have been using e-onlinedata/authorize.net for a couple of years and have been very happy with them. They have a lower rate for ISPs and webhosts than for some other types of accounts, so you want to look at that specific page... cheaper than QB, with more options. http://e-onlinedata.com/merchantaccounts/hostisp.php -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises, LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Topeka KS
Anybody serving Topeka KS area? I have a possible client for you. -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises, LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for...
I am doing this without MT.. but I do have Linux running a transparent bridge between my customers and my core router. Use iptables to redirect (DNAT) the src IP address web requests to my webserver (I redirect requests to port 80 to my webservers address on port 88) and then have the virtual host on that web server which listens to that IP on port 88 use Mod_ReWrite to redirect all of the REQUEST_URIs to index.html. Using this system, If I want to shut off a customer, all I do is enter their assigned IP once into IP tables, and ANY web reqests gets my index.html page. It works for http://yahoo.com/ and for http://yahoo.com/EERTS123X/ddd.asp/?sessid=7788 Two things to keep in mind.. 1.You want to be careful about how much (possibly private) information is put on your web page. It may be fine to use that page to inform your customer that they are a deadbeat, except that you cannot know which member of the customer's family, friends, or relatives may be the first one use the customer's computer while visiting on vacation and be the one who gets to read about your customer's account status. Your lawyer may have better advice. 2. It is probably a good idea to make your web page non-cacheable, so that when your customer does pay their bill and you re-enable their access, they don't keep seeing your page instead of http://yahoo.com/EERTS123X/ddd.asp/?sessid=7788 John JNA wrote: I have been looking to implement this as well with our MT boxes. Does anyone have any samples? I know how to redirect an ip in the MT boxes but how do you redirect to a specific web page? Unless you setup a web server on the ip with a generic page just for that server you would get the main web site on the web server ip. Now if you could go to ip/yourshutoff.html that would be different. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Hamilton Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for... Redirect that IP to a webserver on your network. You can do that on just about any core router, Star-Os, MT and so on. Bo Ray Jean wrote: Looking for a intro page, webpage ect.. That will let a customer know that their end user modem for wireless service has been cut off or deactivated due to lack of payments. When they click on their browser to view a website I would like the page to say; something like, Sorry due to non-payment your internet web surfing has been stopped.. Does anyone have a template or know how to make this work on the wireless modems? Thanks Jean www.surfmore.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mounting pole size
I have used 1.5 (actually ~2 o.d.) galvanized water pipe to do this, works great. John Scott Reed wrote: Thanks for the responses. I had originally thought 4 something, but looks like I will look at 1.5 and/or 2. I like that, Johnny. $150 to paint the pole brown and the antenna grid and radio box green and who will see it beside a tree, which is where this one will go. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/ *-- Original Message ---* From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:57:24 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mounting pole size Heck Cliff - I charged a customer $150.00 to use a $5.00 can of paint and 10 minutes to spray an antenna - they used cosmetically pleasing during the site survey - The way I see it is if they are that well versed in the english language to use a word I can't spell without spell check - it's gotta be worth something ! JohnnyO -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Cliff *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:42 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Mounting pole size JohnnyO, You ARE a pimp! Where the luv for your customer? Cliff – Work 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com http://www.cssla.com/ www.triparish.net http://www.triparish.net/ *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *JohnnyO *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:15 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Mounting pole size Mount it in a tree ? - the term asthetics generally triples our install price FYI ! JohnnyO -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:05 AM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* [WISPA] Mounting pole size I have a site where the only place to get a signal is about 5 off the road and then run cable 100' back to the house. Only issue is asthetics; customer does not want a big pole in the yard. What is the smallest pole/mast/whatever you would use to get up 8 feet or so in open ground? Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/ *--- End of Original Message ---* -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
