Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread J. Vogel
I don't understand the need for the full U bend. Why wouldn't it work
going straight up from the facia/gable mount instead of continuing the
bend to get back over the roof? I would think that it would be stronger
and more rigid if the bends were all between the mounting points.
Perhaps I am missing something...

ASCII art of what I am thinking below.


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Robert West wrote:
 Well, the story on this is, the competitor dude, he bought the wisp from a
 friend of mine who was near death from cancer and he bought it to make cash,
 didn't know a thing about wifi or networking.  But the 2 motivators for him
 was, his guys were using 1/2 galvanized water pipe and fittings to make up
 mounts for whatever situation they were in..  Dunno how that was
 ever gonna work right and it never did.  When the wind blew these things
 would move about on the fittings and the guys would take forever making up
 some bracket out of legos, basically.  The second motivation is that the new
 owner of the wisp is an insurance agent and won't allow roof penetration,
 which is a good idea for anyone.  So somehow he came up with this pipe bent
 at the muffler shop idea and I have to say, it looks like a winner.  Cheap,
 cheap, cheap and from what the guys say, they can have the bracket mounted
 in a matter of minutes.

 I'll see if I can locate one or two installs and get some pics.

 Bob-


   

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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread J. Vogel
Obviously, my ASCII art skills are lacking. :) You are correct.

Josh Luthman wrote:
 I think you mean straight up from the j-arm.  ASCII art didn't turn
 out from what I see.

 On 8/27/09, J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com wrote:
   
 I don't understand the need for the full U bend. Why wouldn't it work
 going straight up from the facia/gable mount instead of continuing the
 bend to get back over the roof? I would think that it would be stronger
 and more rigid if the bends were all between the mounting points.
 Perhaps I am missing something...

 ASCII art of what I am thinking below.


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 Robert West wrote:
 
 Well, the story on this is, the competitor dude, he bought the wisp from a
 friend of mine who was near death from cancer and he bought it to make
 cash,
 didn't know a thing about wifi or networking.  But the 2 motivators for
 him
 was, his guys were using 1/2 galvanized water pipe and fittings to make
 up
 mounts for whatever situation they were in..  Dunno how that was
 ever gonna work right and it never did.  When the wind blew these things
 would move about on the fittings and the guys would take forever making up
 some bracket out of legos, basically.  The second motivation is that the
 new
 owner of the wisp is an insurance agent and won't allow roof penetration,
 which is a good idea for anyone.  So somehow he came up with this pipe
 bent
 at the muffler shop idea and I have to say, it looks like a winner.
 Cheap,
 cheap, cheap and from what the guys say, they can have the bracket mounted
 in a matter of minutes.

 I'll see if I can locate one or two installs and get some pics.

 Bob-



   
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo repair

2009-08-27 Thread J. Vogel
This is true for me as well. I haven't seen a seal fail, and I do not
over-tighten the nuts. However, I HAVE had several fail after hail
knocks a hole in the top of the cover, and then over time, water is
funneled into the radio.  I have found a couple of radios that were half
full of water (or more) before they failed. Leaving the bottom loose may
help, so that the water can get out, rather than building up to the
point where it can get into the radio through the ethernet port.


Bill Gaylord wrote:
 I am in Northern Michigan and have never seen it either.  If you make 
 sure you do not over-tighten so that the seal is not deformed, it works 
 fine.  Also, leaving the bottom one a little loose, does not hurt 
 either.  We have over 500 in the field.

 Bill Gaylord, COO
 COLI Inc

   


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Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9

2009-08-01 Thread J. Vogel
The RB411's I have been purchasing show input voltage under /system health.

John

Eje Gustafsson wrote:
 I do not believe the new boards does this do they? The RB230's and I think
 as well the RB532 could/would over SNMP report power levels and temps maybe
 the newer boards can't report temp but can report power over SNMP. 

 If I didn't understand Scott incorrectly the power supplied out from the
 controller is stabilized so you will either work or your dead. So to use DC
 voltage report you would need a separate board feeding directly of the
 battery and as power on the battery start to drain your NMS would have to
 trigger on a low voltage problem. 

 There is another issue here.. That is that the UPS battery is 12V and most
 RB dies or fail when the power goes under 11V. So the window of opportunity
 would be very small. Or am I missing something here? 

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:19 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Cc: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9

 Iirc some mikrotik boards report dc voltage

 Sent from my Motorola Startac...


 On Aug 1, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com  
 wrote:

   
 If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The  
 controller is
 powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to  
 monitor the
 battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling  
 when
 they might come up with a solution.

 I seen some pretty cool devices at ipenabled.com but they are not  
 cheap.
 http://www.ipenabled.com/sp2.html
 http://www.ipenabled.com/dcv.html

 Don't see or know of any way in MT to have some sort of probe  
 measurement of
 DC voltage.
 One solution which probably is the cheapest one and goes in line  
 with your
 Linksys unit would be to bastardize a Bullet2 (the $39 Ubiquiti  
 device) and
 either use it with the standard AirOS or load on your own software.  
 In full
 TX mode it uses 4watt and I would guess no more than 1watt if the
 transmitter is disabled unfortunately the exact load levels are not  
 in their
 datasheet just the 4watt number.
 Form factor vise it's as small you're going to get and at a very cheap
 price. Alternative of course for size would be to use their  
 MiniStation but
 then you're talking $79 instead and slightly smaller footprint then  
 a credit
 card.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
 On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or
 isitgettingbetter?

 Yeah, I saw that post the other day. That outdoor UPS enclosure has  
 my name
 written all over it :-)
 It should be great for those one radio serves all suites via CAT5,
 industrial warehouse style, strip mall style roof installs

 While on topic...Anyone know.

 Does that power charger/inverter unit still pass line power to  
 equipment if
 the battery goes bad? (inline or standby?).

 Any good ideas on how to tell when the power goes out? For example,  
 if a
 breaker pops, 24 hours later the battery runs dead and still creates  
 an
 outage, if you don;t know power was cut.
 One suggestion made was setup a second cheapo linksys router for  
 $40, and
 plug that in NOT on the batterty, and then remote monitor that  
 device to
 tell when power is down.
 Although, with that unit, it might be hard to fit into the case, and  
 may
 draw unnecessary current. Any ideas on how to handle that? Do any of  
 teh
 Mikroik SBCs have i/o slots that can measure results of a relay or
 something, to help with that?

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or
 isitgettingbetter?


 
 Someone sells those on this list...

   
 http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-UPS-DC-12-9/UPS_Pro__Outdoor_UPS_with_Di
   
 e_Cast_Enclosure_12V_9AH.html
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tom DeReggi
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

   
 Ryan,

 I agree completely, and sympathise for the situation.

 But does your customer know that?


 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is
 

Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter?

2009-07-31 Thread J. Vogel
I would use a RB411 as the canary board. cheap, reliable, scriptable,
AND has input voltage monitoring


Tom DeReggi wrote:
 snip

 Any good ideas on how to tell when the power goes out? For example, if a 
 breaker pops, 24 hours later the battery runs dead and still creates an 
 outage, if you don;t know power was cut.
 One suggestion made was setup a second cheapo linksys router for $40, and 
 plug that in NOT on the batterty, and then remote monitor that device to 
 tell when power is down.
 Although, with that unit, it might be hard to fit into the case, and may 
 draw unnecessary current. Any ideas on how to handle that? Do any of teh 
 Mikroik SBCs have i/o slots that can measure results of a relay or 
 something, to help with that?

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or 
 isitgettingbetter?


   
 Someone sells those on this list...
 http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-UPS-DC-12-9/UPS_Pro__Outdoor_UPS_with_Die_Cast_Enclosure_12V_9AH.html

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tom DeReggi 
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 
 Ryan,

 I agree completely, and sympathise for the situation.

 But does your customer know that?


 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is
 itgettingbetter?


   
 Ohh agreed, redundant upstream is a must. However when a DS3 costs over
 
 10
   
 grand a month to get out of this area to a NON-Qwest system ( not
 including
 bandwidth ), for true redundancy it makes it not feasible. We are 
 trying
 to
 engineer a wireless backhaul out, but its taking some time to do so. 
 Its
 funny folks in the extreme rural areas, seem to think that we WISP's 
 and
 ISP's should have the same access to bandwidth and pricing as Metro 
 guys
 do.
 Yet, my cost per meg plus transport is about 280.00 per meg total,
 
 however
   
 even in a city like Greeley, Colorado, you can get bandwidth plus
 transport
 for around 50.00 a meg or less.

 Its the burden of being a rural isp.

 Ohh and the customer still wants 20 meg down 5 meg up for 20 bucks a
 month,
 and it damn well better work 24/7 or its the end of the world lol

 Ryan

 On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

 
  Technically, yes, this was your fault. The customer is paying YOU for
 service... not qwest. If you can't provide the service (regardless of
   
 the
   
 reason), then it's your fault.

 In our regional area, the ABC affiliate stopped selling to DISH 
 Network
 last year over the contract price. So if you had DISH (which I did), 
 you
 could no longer get ABC at all. This went on for over 6 months. Do you
 think
 everyone was mad at ABC or DISH? DISH is the one that had to start
   
 giving
   
 credits and take all the phone calls.

 You HAVE to have at least two separate upstreams or you are just 
 asking
 for
 these kind of problems.

 Travis
 Microserv


 Ryan Ghering wrote:

 Yesterday, we had a long term upstream outage. Someone in Qwest killed
 our
 ATM upstream and somehow we were getting crosstalk to another ATM PVC.
 (Don't ask nobody can tell me how this was done).

 In the mean time customers are calling us screaming that they need 
 their
 net. Our staff politely informs them all day long that this isn't a
   
 issue
   
 with us, its upstream. Some customers accept that and move on for the
 day.

 However the kicker!! One of our customers which is a dedicated 3 meg
 calls
 up and asks, Are you down I say yes at this time the internet is 
 down
 due
 to a problem with qwest in Denver. The customer says ok, do you have 
 an
 ETA? I tell him no not at this time the problem is with qwest not 
 with
 us.
 Customer says ok thanks and hangs up.

 Not 20 minutes later I get a phone call from the customer, he's mad as
 hell
 and spitting nails. I only caught about 1/2 of what he had said. But 
 it
 sounded like. Your a damn lier, I call qwest, they have NO issues
 anywhere.
 I want my ** Net or you can kiss my account goodbye a**hole..

 Then he hangs up. ( mind you this is a business customer )

 I call him back about an hour later and he says he's canceled. And 
 will
 get
 service from somewhere else.

 How can this be? How was this my fault?

 Customers are irrational and 

Re: [WISPA] OT: Cordless VOIP Phone

2009-07-07 Thread J. Vogel
Interesting...  My Panasonic DECT 6.0 phones have better range than any
other cordless phone I have owned, including a couple of 900mhz ones.

John


Jeremy Parr wrote:
 Yeah, I have deployed quite a bit of DECT, but if he isn't running any
 900mhz, then a Senao is a much better option. The range is very bad
 with the DECT stuff, even the fancy multi-thousand dollar enterprise
 base stations.


 
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance

2009-07-01 Thread J. Vogel
What cards are 4th generation and which ones are 6th?  How do you tell
which is which?

e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 All Atheros cards are capable of doing this. Just keep in mind that the 4th 
 gen cards even if they are set in 5/10MHz mode for broadcast still listen to 
 20MHz wide channel. The 6th gen Atheros cards if set to 5/10MHz mode only 
 listen to 5 or 10MHz. 

 /Eje
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:57:54 
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance


 So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with

 Mikrotik (hopefully all cards?)
 Tranzeo
 Ubiquiti

 But not..

 StarOS
 WARP

 Josh Luthman
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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Splash Page

2009-04-21 Thread J. Vogel
I have a splash page such as what you are describing (
http://vogent.net:88/ ) but no CPE insurance program.

John

Ray  Jean wrote:
 Does anyone have a page they use when you cut off a customer for non-payment 
 and let them know that their internet has been suspended. Letting them know 
 what to do to activate it again, like making a payment. 

 Also, I want to have customers pay an insurance on their equipment, I seen 
 one on this list about a year ago and saved the link to use later but it no 
 longer works, I believe it was Mac Dearman. 

 It was a great program and I would like to use it, if I can.

 Thanks so much for your help!

 Jean Hill
 Surfmore.Net


 
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Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator

2009-04-20 Thread J. Vogel
Got a link or a model number for that new Kill-a-Watt?  I can't find any
info about it on their site.

John

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 My biggest site (something like 9 radios now) is drawing under 20 watts 
 these days.  Closer to 15 if my memory serves.

 To get that number I used one of the new kill-a-watt units that has an 
 ethernet port on it.  A bit spendy but very cool.  It allows me to remotely 
 (through a company web site, not my own) monitor what's going on at a tower. 
 It will also do power cycling!  Other than the fact that it has to be sent 
 to the factory to get firmware updates (how's that for old fashioned?) I 
 love the unit.
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:55 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator


   
 I have a new tower site and the owner ask how much electric I will use.
 How can I calculate that?  For now all I will have is one 24v 2amp power
 supply going to a rb433ah with an xr2 omni and a xr5 backhaul.
 I can roughly guess the price per kilowatt hr but I need to get an
 estimate on kw/hr first.

 Brian


 
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Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator

2009-04-20 Thread J. Vogel
Does it have ethernet, remote monitoring, or power-cycle capability?

John

Scott Carullo wrote:
 P4400 KILL A WATT is what I have

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
   
 From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com
 Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator

 Got a link or a model number for that new Kill-a-Watt?  I can't find any
 info about it on their site.

 John

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 
 My biggest site (something like 9 radios now) is drawing under 20 watts 
   

   
 these days.  Closer to 15 if my memory serves.

 To get that number I used one of the new kill-a-watt units that has an 
   

   
 ethernet port on it.  A bit spendy but very cool.  It allows me to 
   
 remotely 
   
 (through a company web site, not my own) monitor what's going on at a 
   
 tower. 
   
 It will also do power cycling!  Other than the fact that it has to be 
   
 sent 
   
 to the factory to get firmware updates (how's that for old fashioned?) 
   
 I 
   
 love the unit.
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:55 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator


   
   
 I have a new tower site and the owner ask how much electric I will 
 
 use.
   
 How can I calculate that?  For now all I will have is one 24v 2amp 
 
 power
   
 supply going to a rb433ah with an xr2 omni and a xr5 backhaul.
 I can roughly guess the price per kilowatt hr but I need to get an
 estimate on kw/hr first.

 Brian



 
 
 
   
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Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator

2009-04-20 Thread J. Vogel
Marlon referenced a new kill-a-watt that has an ethernet port, remote
monitoring, and power-cycling capability. I can't find any of those
features mentioned on any of the models on the kill-a-watt site, or on
the thinkgeek.com link you provided. Perhaps I missed it. Thanks for the
link though. :)

John

Vickie Edwards wrote:
 ThinkGeek has 3 different models of the Kill-a-Watt, as well as another
 meter-type gadget:

 http://www.thinkgeek.com/brain/whereisit.cgi?t=kill+a+wattx=0y=0


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 Behalf Of J. Vogel
 Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:34 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator

 Got a link or a model number for that new Kill-a-Watt?  I can't find any
 info about it on their site.

 John

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
   
 My biggest site (something like 9 radios now) is drawing under 20
 
 watts 
   
 these days.  Closer to 15 if my memory serves.

 To get that number I used one of the new kill-a-watt units that has an
 

   
 ethernet port on it.  A bit spendy but very cool.  It allows me to
 
 remotely 
   
 (through a company web site, not my own) monitor what's going on at a
 
 tower. 
   
 It will also do power cycling!  Other than the fact that it has to be
 
 sent 
   
 to the factory to get firmware updates (how's that for old fashioned?)
 
 I 
   
 love the unit.
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:55 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator


   
 
 I have a new tower site and the owner ask how much electric I will
   
 use.
   
 How can I calculate that?  For now all I will have is one 24v 2amp
   
 power
   
 supply going to a rb433ah with an xr2 omni and a xr5 backhaul.
 I can roughly guess the price per kilowatt hr but I need to get an
 estimate on kw/hr first.

 Brian



   
 
 
   
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Re: [WISPA] Promotion

2009-04-16 Thread J. Vogel
My thought is that you are unlikely to get much of a response from
potential customers, although whatever response you did get would be a
strong incentive to any WISP in the area, and it is certainly doable,
Mikrotik could easily handle it. My reasoning is that all of my AP's
broadcast a domain name which I would think would be a strong clue to
anybody looking for service as to where to look for contact information,
but I get very few calls as a result of broadcasting that domain name.
Granted, having an informational page would be a better advertisement,
but I can't see it being that much better. I might try it on some of my
own APs.

Have you considered (or tried) contacting WISP's that  are in  proximity
to your towers? Do you have any towers close enough to me to do me any
good?

John Vogel

Blake Bowers wrote:
 I really don't want the hassle of providing the internet
 service - where to get the internet pipe, taking care of
 the customers, etc.  Not my core business, and not one
 I feel like I can provide well.

 I was thinking that adjoining area WISP's would be
 able to provide a pipe, either by their connections with
 regional providers, microwave backhaul, etc, they could
 take care of installs to expand their coverage area, etc.

 I want an enviroment where both the WISP and US
 can make some money.

 Now, your a smart guy.  If a tower owner in a town
 near your coverage area was able to bring to you a list
 of people that would be likely to sign up for service IF
 you had service available in that area, would you not look
 really hard at that?

 Me, I would be all over it like a fat kid on cake 


 Don't take your organs to heaven, 
 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. 

 - Original Message - 
 From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion


 Why not go ahead and sell them the service over this? Just have it
 take them to the signup page and process their credit card, add to
 radius, activate service?
 Scriv


 On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:
   
 I got towers. Lots of them. Many don't have any kind
 of wireless service anywhere close, some don't have any
 kind of high speed service of any kind.

 I would like to put up on some of them, for a fairly short
 period of time, something like a hotspot, say a cheap router
 that people can connect to, they see a splash page that says

 If you are intersted in HIGH SPEED WIRELESS service, please
 call 800-467-2346

 Then we could log the calls, take their information, and if enough
 calls were recieved we could start talking to WISPS in adjoining
 areas to see if someone might be interested in providing service
 there.

 A market study if you will.

 Who makes a cheap box that I could hook to an OMNI with
 such a thing?
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 heaven knows we need them down here!
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Re: [WISPA] Promotion

2009-04-16 Thread J. Vogel
LOL - I agree that a lot of WISP's don't make it clear who/where they
are and what they offer via their web sites. My own site is far from
perfect, but it has been a valuable asset in procuring business.

Blake Bowers wrote:
 ROFL... I take WISPS to task for their web page, and
 you bring mine up... I am so ashamed.


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 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion


   
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Re: [WISPA] Promotion

2009-04-16 Thread J. Vogel
Like I said, while far from perfect, my web site has been a valuable
asset. I don't do any advertising other than the web site and a couple
of small insignificant ads on community calendar type things -
(primarily as a donation to the non-profit groups sponsoring the
calendar). I get a number of calls from people who have found the web
site through a web search, and those people say things like I see that
I am in the shaded area on your map, letting me know that they have
found me through the web site. Which reminds me that I need to update
the map to show my current (expanded) service area...

Blake Bowers wrote:
 Yours had contact info, coverage maps, area served,
 you would be surprised how many don't have those
 things.

 I suspect they just feel that people should know


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 Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion


   
 LOL - I agree that a lot of WISP's don't make it clear who/where they
 are and what they offer via their web sites. My own site is far from
 perfect, but it has been a valuable asset in procuring business.

 Blake Bowers wrote:
 
 ROFL... I take WISPS to task for their web page, and
 you bring mine up... I am so ashamed.


 Don't take your organs to heaven,
 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

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 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:04 AM
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Re: [WISPA] Promotion

2009-04-16 Thread J. Vogel
To borrow an often used quote from Randy on another list...
I encourage all of my competitors to do this.

John

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
 I'd bet more often that is comes down to who you DON'T want to know.

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Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread J. Vogel
Where did you look?

Mike Hammett wrote:
 Someone once asked me what was in their area, so I looked.  There were I'm 
 recalling at least 4 major international carriers right in their town 
 must have been a landing station.  It pays to know what's in your area.  ;-)


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 Those of you that are paying $50/Mbps, what is keeping you from
 building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber,
 etc.)?  It seems to me that this would be a major consideration in the
 business plan as this is a big MRC.  Don't wait for someone to bring you
 cheap bandwidth...go get it!  :-)

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Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread J. Vogel
Charles,

I would love to live in the world you describe here.  :)

Bandwidth cost dwarfs credit card processing cost where I live. It also
seems very optimistic to put 1000 customers on a 20mb link. At best, I
would think that if they are consuming ~20mbps, that you should have at
least twice that in capacity, so that means a full DS3, and the best
pricing I have gotten on a DS3 is in excess of $6k (and getting to that
requires a 25 mile wireless hop).  In many areas of the country,
$300-400/mbps is the rule for Nx/T1s.

John

Charles Wu wrote:
 Hi Hal,

 In the grand scheme of things...bandwidth / port costs are a minute fraction 
 of an ISP/WISPs operating expenses (heck, I find that for a residential 
 WISP...the credit card processing bill can be higher than the bandwidth bill)

 That said, look at it this way

 Based on our studies/trending...1,000 residential subscribers consume ~20 Mb 
 of bandwidth

 So...1,000 customers @ $40 / month = $40k / month in revenue
 If you're getting hosed and paying $200 / Mb, that's still only $4k / month

 Now...say there's a datacenter 40 miles away that has bandwidth for $50 / Mb 
 -- that's a total of $3k / month in savings


   


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[WISPA] FYI - more news on stimulous/broadband

2009-02-10 Thread J. Vogel
Net neutrality and the broadband provisions in the stimulus bill

US Senator Dianne Feinstein hopes to update President Barack Obama's
$838bn economic stimulus package so that American ISPs can deter child
pornography, copyright infringement, and other unlawful activity by way
of reasonable network management.

Clearly, a lobbyist whispering in Feinstein's ear has taken Comcast's
now famous euphamism even further into the realm of nonsense.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/11/feinstein_stimulus_amendment/

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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] [Board] Lobbying Fund Drive Update

2009-01-30 Thread J. Vogel
Travis Johnson wrote:
 Also, one more quick thing it would be helpful if you would post the 
 Paypal address and mailing address at the bottom of every one of your 
 update emails... to make it easier for people. You could even post a 
 direct link to the Paypal account inside your email. :)

 Travis
 Microserv

   


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Re: [WISPA] Barracuda outbounds SPAM filter any good?

2009-01-08 Thread J. Vogel
My webmail software is Squirrelmail, which does put the authenticated
user in the header, but that didn't come back in the bounces (that I saw
anyway) but I was able to find the compromised account by searching the
Sent folders for some of the bounced recipient addresses. Picking an
address that wasn't likely to be one that my customers would have sent
to - such as in the .pl domain - quickly led me to a folder with lots of
spam messages in it. Searching for a line in the body of the spam email
would have been successful as well.  :)

John

David E. Smith wrote:
 Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
   
 Are they using your webmail to send out the spam. Is there any way you can
 tell what user's email address is compromised because all the mail delivery
 errors I'm getting don't show one.
 

 Yeah, my latest few problem children have been using our Web site, and 
 cut-and-pasting in their spam, sending it out to just five or ten 
 recipients at a time so as to avoid our you're not just a spammer but a 
 dumb spammer trigger if you try to send to 1000 people at once.

 How to track it down depends on the mail software you use, obviously. 
 Mine (an older version of Ipswitch Imail) doesn't put any identifying 
 information in the email as such (no originating IP or 
 authenticated-user info). There are timestamps, though, which I can 
 correlate against the Web server logs.

 Right now, I'm torn between trying to stop it at the Web server using 
 some sort of IP geolocation filter, or stop it before it leaves the 
 network using a modified SpamAssassin installation. Both are giving me 
 all kinds of fits that are way off-topic for this list.

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Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-03 Thread J. Vogel
Another way of looking at it is that if deflation is occurring, and you
have committed to pay for the CPE via leasing, you will be using future
dollars that are worth more to pay for them, (e.g. at the time I commit
to paying $100 for a cpe, each of those $100 would purchase a loaf of
bread, but following the deflation of the dollar, each $dollar used to
pay the lease would have purchased TWO loaves of bread.) so the real
cost of those CPE is higher. That is even without figuring deflation on
the CPE themselves. If deflation hits the CPE market as well, committing
to pay $100 for CPE that 6 months from now will only cost $50 may not be
a good position to be in.

In any case, in a generally deflating market, pressure will be high to
reduce prices, including subscription prices for Internet Access, so
there may be fewer dollars available to pay those lease commitments,
even though the dollars you do have are worth more.

John

Brian Webster wrote:
 Tom,

 snip  ... If however you bought all of that
 equipment using credit and they deflate the dollar you have actually hedged
 against the deflation because your cash did not get deflated, yet you are
 still producing revenue on the other people's money you used. If you can get
 good credit terms and can make the numbers work I would personally borrow
 like crazy and expand to ramp up cash flow. The numbers will work if the
 government doesn't cause deflation, but if they do it works out even better.

   People who have loans always make out better in deflationary times over
 people who have hard cash assets. If you don't have assets they don't lose
 value. The person who built their business on cash or personal assets loses
 out twice. First the value of everything they already paid for depreciated
 in a big way and then the cash flow they are producing is buying less
 because of inflation. Hope that makes sense..



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster

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 Chuck, I will contact you offlist. I have some question.
 I have not tried SBA recently, and its time that I probably should, before I
 critisize the program.

 My point was... In past experience SBA enabled guaranteeing very low
 rates, but SBA could sometimes be harder to get than traditional loans, as
 SBA required more documentation. Very few SBA loans get defaulted on,
 because they have such strong requirements. I found the same thing with RUS
 loans.  The misconception by many is that SBA gives loans, which is not the
 case. SBA guarantees other bank loans. So those banks are giving loans at
 lower interest than they normally do, because of the SBA's guarantee. But
 the SBA still wants to cover themselves similar to any other lender. It does
 not get the borrower off the hook for proving credit worthiness, by
 traditional industry methods. What I always found Ironic was that to get the
 SBA loan, one had to prove they were turned down by other lenders. But then
 the SBA potentially would turn down applicants for the same reasons.

 All loans have the same requirement, proving 1) ability to pay back
 (pre-existing consistent cashflow and profit from revenue stream), 2) proven
 credit worthiness, 3) colateral.
 Getting a lower interest, just makes the lenders look more closely to prove
 the above.

 There are very few lenders that will lend based on a potential of a
 business plan (that does not have pre-existing good cash flow to back it
 up), or simply based on the merit of the business.  I find that borrowers
 that don't have problems getting loans are borrowers who have had a past
 life that had already established their high credit worthiness, usually via
 personal assets, or by having multiple officers to guarantee the loans.

 The big problem that I ran into was... I sold most of my traditional assets
 to fund my network build outs. And then invested all profit back into the
 business to build out the network, there fore increasing potential. And then
 Banks did not look at those network assets with a value, the same as they
 would if it was still real estate, so to speak, that was recognized as a
 safe liquitable asset.

 I have found that obtaining finance requires long term planning and
 preperation, to position oneself to look good to financers by their
 standards.  I have found that being more or less debt free, and owning a
 network, had no value to the lenders that I have talked to.

 Even with RUS matching fund loans, it seemed similar. They were more
 interested in what new money I'd put in, for them to match, and did not
 value the money already put in and spent..

 My company is growing, and my financials are improving to be loan worthy, so
 I won't have a finance problem to much longer. But it was a long road, and I
 do not wish the same 

Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow

2009-01-03 Thread J. Vogel
Actually, I wasn't trying to say that CPE prices would go down 50%, I
don't think they will. Just pulling nice round numbers out the hat. That
doesn't change my point though, that in a deflating economy, debt that is
being taken on will be repaid with dollars that are worth more and/or are
harder to come by, unless you are lucky enough to be in a sector of the
economy that isn't affected (as much) by the deflationary cycle. I hope
that we are in such a segment.

On Sat, January 3, 2009 3:01 pm, e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 Don't expect to see that price of the cpes will drop by 50%. At $60-$100
 there isn't much left to go lower. Especially considering shipping a cpe
 with integrated antenna $5 to $10 from manufacturing plans in asia.
 As well some semiconductor parts are currently going up instead of down as
 plans are being closed left and right. At current rate electronics will be
 up in price maybe as much as 20-30% in a year or two if things don't
 change soon.

 /Eje
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:44:48
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow


 Another way of looking at it is that if deflation is occurring, and you
 have committed to pay for the CPE via leasing, you will be using future
 dollars that are worth more to pay for them, (e.g. at the time I commit
 to paying $100 for a cpe, each of those $100 would purchase a loaf of
 bread, but following the deflation of the dollar, each $dollar used to
 pay the lease would have purchased TWO loaves of bread.) so the real
 cost of those CPE is higher. That is even without figuring deflation on
 the CPE themselves. If deflation hits the CPE market as well, committing
 to pay $100 for CPE that 6 months from now will only cost $50 may not be
 a good position to be in.

 In any case, in a generally deflating market, pressure will be high to
 reduce prices, including subscription prices for Internet Access, so
 there may be fewer dollars available to pay those lease commitments,
 even though the dollars you do have are worth more.

 John

 Brian Webster wrote:
 Tom,

 snip  ... If however you bought all of that
 equipment using credit and they deflate the dollar you have actually
 hedged
 against the deflation because your cash did not get deflated, yet you
 are
 still producing revenue on the other people's money you used. If you can
 get
 good credit terms and can make the numbers work I would personally
 borrow
 like crazy and expand to ramp up cash flow. The numbers will work if the
 government doesn't cause deflation, but if they do it works out even
 better.

  People who have loans always make out better in deflationary times over
 people who have hard cash assets. If you don't have assets they don't
 lose
 value. The person who built their business on cash or personal assets
 loses
 out twice. First the value of everything they already paid for
 depreciated
 in a big way and then the cash flow they are producing is buying less
 because of inflation. Hope that makes sense..



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:23 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow


 Chuck, I will contact you offlist. I have some question.
 I have not tried SBA recently, and its time that I probably should,
 before I
 critisize the program.

 My point was... In past experience SBA enabled guaranteeing very low
 rates, but SBA could sometimes be harder to get than traditional loans,
 as
 SBA required more documentation. Very few SBA loans get defaulted on,
 because they have such strong requirements. I found the same thing with
 RUS
 loans.  The misconception by many is that SBA gives loans, which is not
 the
 case. SBA guarantees other bank loans. So those banks are giving loans
 at
 lower interest than they normally do, because of the SBA's guarantee.
 But
 the SBA still wants to cover themselves similar to any other lender. It
 does
 not get the borrower off the hook for proving credit worthiness, by
 traditional industry methods. What I always found Ironic was that to get
 the
 SBA loan, one had to prove they were turned down by other lenders. But
 then
 the SBA potentially would turn down applicants for the same reasons.

 All loans have the same requirement, proving 1) ability to pay back
 (pre-existing consistent cashflow and profit from revenue stream), 2)
 proven
 credit worthiness, 3) colateral.
 Getting a lower interest, just makes the lenders look more closely to
 prove
 the above.

 There are very few lenders that will lend based on a potential of a
 business plan (that does not have pre-existing good cash flow to back
 it
 up), or simply based on the merit of the business.  I find that
 borrowers
 that don't

Re: [WISPA] Winter connectivity issues

2008-12-17 Thread J. Vogel
14 miles is not too far to cause interference.


On Wed, December 17, 2008 10:16 am, Mark McElvy wrote:
 My closest tower to this one is 14 miles. We are fairly rural.

 Mark

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:52 AM
 To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Winter connectivity issues

 Try changing channels too.  Water *usually* give strange signal
 levels
 Looks more like interference to me.  Very possibly from some of your own

 towers???
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: lakel...@gbcx.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Winter connectivity issues


 Water in connectors. When it freezes it crystalizes and gives a poor
 connection. Maybe a cracked/broken antenna with moisture incursion.

 Antennas on towers are subject to falling ice regardless of the type
 of
 antenna.
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com

 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:58:25
 To: mikro...@mail.butchevans.com; wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Winter connectivity issues


 I have 4 tower locations, only one seems to be having issues. Last
 week,
 then today I have a few customers on one tower having slow connection
 issues. High ping times from less than 1 ms to 4-500ms with packet
 loss.
 The one complaining customer has a -56 @ client end and -60 @ AP. The
 common denominator is weather, it is currently about 10 deg F and we
 had
 some, not a lot of freezing rain last night.

 This tower is running a RB 433 w/ XR2 and HPol omni. New in spring due
 to lightning storm. The only time I experienced issues last year was
 with heavy icing.



 Any thought? Would you think it's the ice or maybe freezing moisture
 in
 the enclosure?



 Mark in South central Missouri




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Vista VPN Question

2008-11-14 Thread J. Vogel
I think that link is what the OP needed, specifically to uncheck
use default gateway on remote network in the advanced properties
for IPv4 (and IPv6 if that is being used also).

If the vpn server is using DHCP to assign the vpn connection an
IP address in the netblock of the remote network, there shouldn't
be any need for additional static routes, (or if the connection is
statically assigned an appropriate address.) If such is not the case
there may be a need to add a static route to the remote network,
but I find that in most cases that is not necessary to accomplish
the task at hand.


Matt Hardy wrote:
 Like Charles said, if you were using a full DHCP server to give out VPN
 IP addresses, you could push routes to customers using DHCP options.
 But Mikrotik doesn't use a DHCP server for assigning PPTP IPs, just the
 IP Pools... so this isn't supported. 

 So I think your only options are client side... writing a batch file to
 reconfigure your routes after you connect?
 I saw this:
 http://www.isinc.com/2008/04/11/configuring-a-split-tunnel-pptp-vpn-in-windows-vista/
 You could give that a shot. Too bad it doesn't have a static routes
 section :)

 -Matt

 On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 00:08 -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:

   
 PPTP VPN connection.

 I'll see what is supported in this regard.


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 What type of VPN are you using?
 Some allow publishing or advertising of routes to the client when the
 VPN is established

 On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 10:59 -0800, Charles Wyble wrote:

   
 Mike Hammett wrote:
 
 Is there a way to setup Vista so that only certain subnets are routed 
 over a VPN link?  It seems silly that a customer with a 16 meg Comcast 
 connection pushes all Internet traffic through the office's 2/2 
 connection.

   
 There is a route command you can use from the command prompt. :)

 Or do it via DHCP options if your running a full DHCP server
 (Cisco,Linux,Windows NT/200(x).


 
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[WISPA] Power Supplies

2008-09-12 Thread J. Vogel
Some time in the last month, someone on one of the lists I follow posted a
link to wall-wart type 15v or 18v DC power supplies in the $4 or $5 dollar
range. I have lost the link. Can somebody point me in the right direction,
or possibly have recommendations for a source for such power supplies
(suitable for powering common cpe type radios through commmonly used
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Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-05-01 Thread J. Vogel
It seems to me that in the ensuing discussion of this, there are several 
models
proposed that do not take into account any costs other than bandwidth cost.
I would think that one should calculate what it costs to aquire and 
maintain a
customer, including office/support/billing/equipment etc... which added 
together
are a significant part of where the money goes. I read somewhere that 
bandwidth
is only 5-10% of the average ISP's budget. I wish that were my own 
experience.

I suspect that a base of $20-30/month would be a reasonable amount, BEFORE
adding any bandwidth cost. Then.. if it costs $1 or $2 per gig of data 
transfer,
that can be added to the base, perhaps calculating an amount that would 
cover
90+% of users and including that amount in the flat-rate MRC, and charging
overages for data transfers over that amount.

A simple $2/gig charge on a customer that only transfers 1 gig/month is 
going
to make that customer a losing proposition for me.

Mike Hammett wrote:
 So what types of rates would be appropriate for a metered broadband service?  
 It obviously depends on what your costs are.  I'll just throw something out 
 to start a conversation, not necessarily reflective of any costs.

 $2/gig transferred, no other costs or limits.

 $10 base, $1.50/gig transferred, no other limits.


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Re: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.

2008-03-17 Thread J. Vogel
Today I got another try at this. Customer told me that they had lost
all connectivity the last couple of days. When I left, the AP was set
on one of the three channels the internal PCI card would see, and
all was working. When I got back there today, the internal PCI card
would not see/connect to the ap even on the channel that had previously
been working. I had taken a Senao CB3 bridge with me today, with
the stock rubber-ducky antenna, thinking that if both it and my laptop
could connect, but the internal pci card with external antenna could
not, that might indicate the problem was with their computer.

Sure enough, when I plugged the CB3 in, it connected immediately.
I tried it while switching the AP to all the different channels.
Even when I took the antenna off of it to attempt to dissassociate it
from the AP (to resolve an IP address conflict) the CB3 remained
connected. I couldn't get it to disconnect. On any channel.

Could it be that the Dell desktop has something internal creating a lot
of RF noise? Or driver issues? This is an older couple, pretty rural, no
fancy stuff like Wireless cams, they do have a phone, but it is 5.8Ghz.
nearest neighbors are about 1/4 mile.

I suppose that my probable next step is to take another
desktop unit up there and put the PCI card in it to see what happens.

John

George Rogato wrote:
 It could be something else in the 2.4 gig range that is not wifi and 
 thats why you can't see it in a survey.
 Something that comes to mind, 2.4gig cameras. The proprietary ones that 
 are not wifi or ip cams.

 George


 J. Vogel wrote:
   
 Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a 
 site
 survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a
 home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get
 a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the customers
 computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP, although
 it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop, sitting
 on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great signal
 strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the
 desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed out
 the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, 
 antennas,
 everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop
 would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My laptop
 however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel
 the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels.

 Is there an explanation for what I was seeing?

 


 
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[WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.

2008-03-12 Thread J. Vogel
Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a 
site
survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a
home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get
a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the customers
computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP, although
it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop, sitting
on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great signal
strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the
desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed out
the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, 
antennas,
everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop
would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My laptop
however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel
the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels.

Is there an explanation for what I was seeing?

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Re: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.

2008-03-12 Thread J. Vogel
Chris-

The laptop and the PCI card in the desktop are not equal... the laptop 
is an old hp pavilion ze4900
with the stock card/antenna, and the PCI card was branded LevelOne 
WNC-301. Not sure of
the specs on either, but I have used a lot of those PCI cards... 40+, 
and they have consistently
performed well, and way better than the laptop has. So yes, it is 
possible that the PCI card is
hearing something that the laptop isn't... but it doesn't seem to be 
affecting the AP. I did try
a small panel antenna on the  PCI card instead of the omni that came 
with it, and there was
no difference, but that little panel (one of the D-Link 7db ones i 
think) isn't overly directional
either.

It is just really strange to be sitting next to the desktop unit, logged 
in with my laptop, able to
use WinBox to manipulate the channels on the AP, never drop the 
connection with the laptop,
never even have to re-login to winbox, because the laptop followed the 
AP channels fast enough,
cycle through all of the channels, and watch the desktop right next to 
me fail to even detect
the AP on channels 1-8, and connect with RSSI's of 60-65 on channels 
9-11. I thought of
interference from something, but...

Is it possible that the interference could be within the Desktop unit 
itself? It was a Dell.
Could it have been a driver issue? I did change the PCI slot the card 
was in also, but
that didn't change anything either.

John

chris cooper wrote:
 John-

 It sounds like you might have noise impacting the local AP on channels
 1-6.  Is the power and receive sensitivity the same on your laptop vs.
 the customer PC?  That might be the reason you are seeing the difference
 in performance between the two.  Did you run netstumbler or otherwise
 look at the spectrum?  Any chances of a local interferer in the house or
 garage?

 chris

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of J. Vogel
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:28 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.

 Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a

 site
 survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a
 home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get
 a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the
 customers
 computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP,
 although
 it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop,
 sitting
 on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great
 signal
 strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the
 desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed
 out
 the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, 
 antennas,
 everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop
 would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My
 laptop
 however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel
 the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels.

 Is there an explanation for what I was seeing?

   


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Re: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.

2008-03-12 Thread J. Vogel
Thanks for the reply. Good advice from both you and Chris.

I actually am just using the plain jane wireless adapter that walmart 
had put in this old
HP Pavilion ze4900. As a general rule it does fairly well, but not so 
well that it would
out-perform the PCI cards I use. I figure if the laptop will connect, 
the PCI card will
definitely work, usually a lot better. Unless... something happens like 
what did yesterday.

Sure wish I knew what was happening. The recommendation for wi-spy is 
appreciated.

John

Mark Williams wrote:
 I have seen this before also. Chris is right to mention that the desktop
 and your laptop are likely 
 reacting differently due to rec. sens. and / or power , IE fade margin
 differences.

 Not trying to shamelessly plug products here, but I find a wi-spy to be
 very helpful in this situation.
 Sometimes the noise source is simply not wifi related and the wi-spy
 will help you to identify
 the best frequency selection.

 Also, I HIGHLY recommend that you standardize on deployed wifi bridges /
 adapters and make sure
 you run the same equipment in your laptop. I've seen a lot of WISP techs
 who add higher end / power 
 wifi adapters in their laptops and while it may be greatly beneficial
 from a daily use standpoint, as 
 a tech it detracts from your ability to diagnose customer SINR issues.

 There are many non-wifi noise sources and the WiSpy is very much worth
 having.
 -Mark Williams


 On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 09:41 -0400, chris cooper wrote:

   
 John-

 It sounds like you might have noise impacting the local AP on channels
 1-6.  Is the power and receive sensitivity the same on your laptop vs.
 the customer PC?  That might be the reason you are seeing the difference
 in performance between the two.  Did you run netstumbler or otherwise
 look at the spectrum?  Any chances of a local interferer in the house or
 garage?

 chris

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of J. Vogel
 Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:28 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Some days I don't seem to know anything.

 Is it possible for interference to prevent a signal from showing up in a

 site
 survey in Windows Zero Configuration utility? I set up a relay AP at a
 home yesterday, the AP being on the roof of the garage (couldn't get
 a link to my tower from the house). The wireless card I put in the
 customers
 computer would not connect to (usually would not even see) the AP,
 although
 it would find APs in other homes 1/2 mile away at times. My laptop,
 sitting
 on the desk next to the computer, connected immediately, with great
 signal
 strength. BUT, if I changed the channel to either 9, 10, or 11, then the
 desktop unit would connect, also with great signal strength. I changed
 out
 the radio on the garage, changed the PCI wireless card in the desktop, 
 antennas,
 everything, but as long as the AP was on channel 8 or lower, the desktop
 would usually not find it, and when it did, the RSSI was very low. My
 laptop
 however, did not have any problems connecting no matter what channel
 the AP was on, with excellent RSSI reported on all channels.

 Is there an explanation for what I was seeing?

 


 
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[WISPA] IPTV - SkyAngel

2008-01-12 Thread J. Vogel
I have received several inquiries from customers and potential
customers in recent days asking if their internet connection received
through me would handle SkyAngel IPTV. SkyAngel is a family/religious
television and radio network that to this point had been utilizing one
of Dish Network's satellites for broadcasting, but they are shutting
down the satellite service in the near future, and advising their current
customers to switch to the IPTV service, which is new.

Have others on this list had customers asking about this, and what are
you answering them? How do you plan to handle the additional bandwidth
requirements. They say they stream ~900 kbps...

What do you think of the section of their FAQ regarding ISPs and bandwidth
which can be found at
http://www.skyangel.com/IPTV/Index.asp?ws=vReference=EquipFAQs~=#q4
(tinyurl) *http://tinyurl.com/yunakf
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Re: [WISPA] Linux command question

2007-12-15 Thread J. Vogel
It is not sed, but this ought to work...

perl -pi -e 's/Templates//sgi'/path_to_directory_containing files/*

You could also (recommended) have it create a backup file for every file
edited
(Google perl command line editing) or you could also find all the files
containing
the word templates and process only those.. e.g.

perl -pi -e 's/Templates//sgi' `grep -l Templates
/path_to_directory_containing files/*`

Disclaimer - the above examples are just off the top of my head and have not
been double-checked for accuracy, fitness for purpose, effectiveness, or
anything
else. Use at your own risk.

John

Ryan Langseth wrote:


 Its been awhile since I used sed,  and I can not figure out to read
 and write to the same file.  Since you are doing this with a backup of
 the files, correct?  Here is a way to make it work

 mkdir newfiles
 for file in `ls .`; do
 sed -e 's|../../Templates/||g'  $file  newfiles/$file
 echo 
 done

 The edited files will be in newfiles/

 Note:  I used | instead of / for the delimiter,  sed can use different
 delimiters as long as you are consistent in the script.

 http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html

 Ryan


 On Dec 15, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 I'm not looking to remove the files, but to remove the text string
 ../../Templates/ from those files.


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 Subject: [WISPA] Linux command question


 Would the following command remove ../../Templates/ from all files in
 the /home/devicsil/public_html/Templates directory?



 for file in ls /home/devicsil/public_html/Templates ; do

 sed -e 's/..\/..\/Templates\///g' $file

 echo 

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Re: [WISPA] Non-paying Subs

2007-11-23 Thread J. Vogel
Incidentally, my experience is like others have mentioned... you should make
plans to be available when you turn them off, because they will be
making contact.

I have on more than one occasion had people show up at my door, cash in
hand,
within 20 minutes of me having redirected them, and I live in the middle
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Re: [WISPA] Non-paying Subs

2007-11-23 Thread J. Vogel
Using Iptables, it is fairly straightforward, and can be
accomplished in Mikrotik as well.

I set up rules in a separate chain to allow access to certain things,
such as my payment server, DNS, and a couple of other things i
wanted to let even the restricted people access but then direct all
port 80 and 443 traffic (DstNAT) to my web server ip on port 88.

The web server is set up to serve one page only at that virtualhost, but
I think more importantly, it is also set up with ReDirect rules to catch
all URI's and redirect them to the one page, and it is ALSO set up to
instruct the browser to not cache those pages.

e.g.  http://yahoo.com/somthing/another/index.html is redirected
(transparently.. their address bar still shows that they are at yahoo.com,
but the page they see is my you are restricted page) as is
http://yahoo.com/ or google.com, none of which gives a 404 error
on my web server because of the ReWrite rules. However, my page
is not stored in their browser cache, so that when I turn them back on,
all they have to do is hit refresh and they immediately get the real
page they were attempting to get in the first place, not my (cached)
page.

I also have a link to my payment gateway on the restricted page,
and rules in ipchains to allow them to access it.

Since I do NOT know who might be using whomever's computer, I do not
specifically say on that page WHY they are restricted, as that might
be a violation of the customer's privacy. It might be their visiting
mother-in-law that was the first to see the you haven't paid your
bill message. Instead, I have a list of several possible reasons why
they are being restricted, including misconfiguration of their computer,
spamming, worms, viruses, non-payment, I made a mistake, etc

D. Ryan Spott wrote:
 Hey Sam, want to elaborate? How do you do this?


 Thanks!

 ryan 

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: 11/23/07 5:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Non-paying Subs

 And if you have a way to send them to a captive page that says the 
 account has been restricted due to billing issues we have found that the 
 respond even quicker.

 Sam Tetherow
 Sandhills Wireless

 Mark Nash wrote:
   
 Hey everyone.

 I've recently cleaned up alot of billing/past due issues.  My main 
 comment here is that it's amazing how responsive people are when you 
 turn their connection off due to nonpayment.  They are generally not 
 upset because they know they haven't been paying.

 Don't be afraid to get in the habit of checking your billing and 
 turning people off for nonpayment.  It's expected.

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[WISPA] Topeka KS

2007-09-21 Thread J. Vogel
Anybody serving Topeka KS area? I have a possible client for you.

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Re: [WISPA] Merchant Services

2007-09-05 Thread J. Vogel


Mike Hammett wrote:
 I'm speaking to my bank as well as looking at QuickBooks and PayPal for 
 merchant services (CC processing).  Opinions?



   
I have been using e-onlinedata/authorize.net for a couple of years
and have been very happy with them. They have a lower rate for
ISPs and webhosts than for some other types of accounts, so you
want to look at that specific page... cheaper than QB, with more
options.

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[WISPA] Trade Organizations and Consumer Mentality

2007-09-03 Thread J. Vogel
I have seen several posts in the last couple of days made by
non-members of WISPA stating how they could not become
a part of the organization until such time as the organization
changes in some way to meet their requirements. How is it that
non-members, people who are unwilling to part with a year's dues,
 feel that they have any standing to complain about
what the organization is doing (or not) when they themselves refuse to
become a part of the organization and thus gain standing to influence
what the organization is doing?

Come on, people. It isn't going to break you to become a member.
The cost is minimal. Until such time as you are willing to commit
even that amount, you have absolutely no standing to complain.

Is it your perception that the organization is being run by a select
few, a good-ole-boys club? Want to change that? Become a member
and run for election to the board. Don't want to become a member,
or run for the board? Quit complaining about not having a voice.

Don't agree with formal positions taken (or not) by the membership?
Become a member and vote on the postions taken. Don't want to
become a member and vote? Quit complaining about the positions
taken (or not) by the organization.

WISPA is not a store. They are not in business to come up with
products to sell to you. WISPA is an group of industry members who
have banded together to increase their impact especially on regulatory
issues, and other ways in which the organization feels will be beneficial
to its members and the industry in general. If you don't think they are
doing it right, pay your dues, get involved, and work for change in
the organization. If you are waiting for the organization to become
what you want it to be before you are willing to commit the paltry sum
required for a year's membership and some time to it, you have missed
the point of what a trade organization is to begin with IMHO.

If you have not yet joined the organization, on what basis do you think
the organization owes you anything?

(insert your own analogy here. You know the principle, those who complain
the loudest are often those who refuse to take part in producing the outcome
which falls short of their expectations...)

The views expressed in this rant do not reflect the official position of
WISPA,
its board of directors, or any individual in particular.

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Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread J. Vogel
Please expand upon this statement...



I simply asked WISPA to publish a position on illegal operation. That
doesn't mean to push it off on some code of ethics.



What kind of written statement would carry more weight than the code of
ethics?
Please describe how any such written statement would in fact carry more
weight.

John

Ralph wrote:
 Responses inline...

   
 Why should WISPA take any stance on what a wisp uses to conduct business?
 
Because you are our industry organization

   
 What business is it of others what anyone else does?
 
Anyone who wants to see the industry operate in a proper and legal
 manner.

   
 If the FCC thought what was going on was a terrible thing, they would
 
 have said so.
Good idea- let's ask them. I will draft my request this week.

   
 WISPA's efforts towards compliance may be slow, but there is now
 
 certified componentized systems in the pipeline from vendors who had
 none in the past.
 Bravo to them! Who are they?

   
 Just this past week I was talking to an antenna manufacturer who told me
 
 his antennas were being certified  with new manufacturers that
 proviously were uncertified.
  Ditto

   
 WISPA's goal is to see all wisps succeed. This division a couple of you
 
 are creating, is fairly destructive to any co-operative effort. When the
 lines get drawn and people placed on one side or the other, all we can
 end up with is some type of rivalry at best.

  ??? Confused. Who do we want to see succeed? All WISPS, you say.
 Including the ones who operate illegaly?  The legal ones?
  The ones we don't see because we look the other way?

   
 I can understand and agree with the entire certification issue and those
 
 opinions  expressed, but doing so in a manner that is destructive to
 some of our wisps is unacceptable.

Uhm.. Who's it destructive to?
Oh- that's right... The ones who operate illegally.

 I simply asked WISPA to publish a position on illegal operation. That
 doesn't mean to push it off on some code of ethics.
 This is our organization that is supposed to further our business. I'd hate
 to think we were afraid to stand up for what is right.

 There's no sort-of pregnant, and there's no sort-of Part 15 compliant. You
 are or you aren't That is why this isn't debatable AT ALL!

 Who here is operating illegally? There's one message already posted from an
 operator who was bragging that he was.
 Who is operating legally?  Who will add their company to this list? 

 Legal  Illegal
 ---
  x Brightlan
  ?  ?  The rest of you 



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 Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 3:18 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation


 Why should WISPA take any stance on what a wisp uses to conduct business?

 What business is it of others what anyone else does?

 If the FCC thought what was going on was a terrible thing, they would
 have said so.

 WISPA's efforts towards compliance may be slow, but there is now
 certified componentized systems in the pipeline from vendors who had
 none in the past.

 Just this past week I was talking to an antenna manufacturer who told me
 his antennas were being certified  with new manufacturers that
 proviously were uncertified.

 WISPA's goal is to see all wisps succeed. This division a couple of you
 are creating, is fairly destructive to any co-operative effort. When the
 lines get drawn and people placed on one side or the other, all we can
 end up with is some type of rivalry at best.


 I can understand and agree with the entire certification issue and those
 opinions  expressed, but doing so in a manner that is destructive to
 some of our wisps is unacceptable.

 Lets look for the common good of all wisps.

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Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

2007-09-02 Thread J. Vogel
It doesn't really help, when attempting to clarify a misunderstood or
confusing
statement, to say the same thing over again.

You asserted, in your posting, that the position of WISPA as stated in the
code of ethics, did not meet the requirement in your opinion of being the
official stance of WISPA. You are the one who should clarify just exactly
how the official written statement contained in the code of ethics falls
short
of meeting the bar. If the code of ethics statement cannot be taken to be
the official postion of WISPA,...

1. why not?,
2. what would you propose that would be adequate in your view?

John

Zack Kneisley wrote:
 Please expand upon this statement...

 

 Because you agree that WISPA supports only certified systems through a
 ethics statement, does not conclude that WISPA as a professional
 organization supports the use of only certified systems.

 

 I do not see how this statement makes any sense. The logic loses me
 about the
 does not conclude part.

 John
 



 Ok, I'll be happy to. I'm sorry if the logic in my statement is confusing.

 -
 1.Because you agree that WISPA supports only certified systems through
 ethics statement,

 ***You have stated that WISPA, through its code of ethics, somehow assumes
 the stance that it does not condone the use of non-ceritified systems..
 correct?

 2.does not conclude that WISPA as a professional organization supports the
 use of only certified systems.

 ***This does not mean that WISPA take the same position.

 -
 I appoligize if I confused you. Is this the official opinion of WISPA? are
 you making this statement on behalf of WISPA? I don't think you are. Is it
 WISPA's official public position that non-certified systems are not condoned
 because you have a code of ethics? Are you representing WISPA with your
 statement?

 John, this is not your statement to make.. Honestly, your opinion doesn't
 matter to me. What matters to me is WISPA's public opinion, not yours.

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Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz antennas

2007-08-24 Thread J. Vogel
I have a couple of the TR-24H-120-16 Product.aspx?Id=61629view=4
antennas in service for a few
months, so far I am very happy with them. They look to be well built
and are performing to expectation. I haven't had them long enough to
give a full recommendation, but so far real good.


Travis Johnson wrote:
 Hi,

 Anyone have any experience with Tranzeo's TR-24H-120-16
 Product.aspx?Id=61629view=4 or TR-24H-120-13 sector antennas?
 Product.aspx?Id=61629view=4

 thanks,

 Travis
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[WISPA] Bandwidth pricing...

2007-08-10 Thread J. Vogel
I just received a quote from ATT for various levels of bandwidth
through bonded T1s, where they are quoting not in multiples of 1.5,
but in 1mbps increments. Seemed strange to me. However, what I
found to be even more confusing was that as the total bandwidth
increased, the price/mbps also increased, so that a 10 meg circuit
costs $50/mbps more than a 7 meg circuit. Is this common? Is there
a rational explanation for it?

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[WISPA] USF billing question

2007-08-08 Thread J. Vogel
I know this has been discussed before, possibly not on this list though,
and I haven't been able to find the previous discussion. I have noticed
a charge for USF on my bill from my upstream provider (SBC/ATT).

I have bonded T1s from them, no phone service. Is a USF charge
appropriate and something I should be paying? If my other upstream
is charging me for USF it isn't itemized on the bill, but I am wondering
how solid the ground I am on is if I attempt to get the charge removed
from the bill it is on.

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Re: [WISPA] Fw: Update on T1 Mobile Wireless Service

2007-08-01 Thread J. Vogel
After having read through the news releases, the impression I got was that
the hope for making money was based solely on stock options and preferred
purchasing (of stock) opportunities. There was no discussion that I noticed
about making money on delivering Internet Access to the masses, for either
the resellers or the company. Based on past history, such as the dot.com
bust of a few years ago, I think that business model has been proven to be
disastrous for most who attempt to make money at it, with only a select few
insiders taking the cash. If you can be one of those insiders, you might do
OK. If you happen to be a WISP competing against them, you really have
nothing to fear from them, except for maybe a short-term blip until the
consumers have learned that the business isn't about them, and the model
itself fails in terms of actually providing a service at a sustainable rate.

John Vogel

John Scrivner wrote:

 Can you say FUD? I knew you could. This is my favorite line...
 It is pretty easy to imagine that an *always on*, fully mobile, *T1
 level* wireless Internet service for only $19.95 per month would be
 hard to compete with for most ISPs and might have a disastrous effect
 on their business.
 But not to fear...they will work with you! Yeah right! Stay as far
 away from FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) as you can and you will
 live a much happier life.
 Scriv



 Jory Privett wrote:
 HiHas anyone heard of these guys?   They keep calling me wanting me
 to sign up to resell their service saying that if I don't there new
 technoligy will put me out of business.  So far they claim 1.5M NLOS
 at 30 miles.  They say it will cut through trees up to 16 to 20 miles
 in mountain terain.   And they are selling T1s for $19.95 and T3s for
 $70-$80 with no setup, installation, or equipment costs..  And I get
 a whole $3 for for each customer I sign up.  They also claim to be
 able to sell T2 and T3 service also.   They claim to have 3 licenesed
 frequencies but will not disclose them. 
 Sounds like a bunch of BS to me.  Lots of marketing fluff and no facts.

 Jory Privett
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 - Original Message - From: Jack Sample / Namia Corporation
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:29 PM
 Subject: Update on T1 Mobile Wireless Service



   Hi
 Jory,
  
 Tuesday, July 31, 2007

   Hopefully you haven't forgotten me since a lot of water has
 passed under the bridge since I last communicated with you regarding
 the T-1 to T-3 level mobile wireless Internet service that is soon to
 be launched on the world.
   Well, you may have thought that we went away but it was only a
 temporary delay.  First of all I want to apologize to you for the
 early notification that turned out to be a false summit.  We had felt
 that launch was eminent when we sent out the cards late last year.
 The setback was only temporary though and we are finally emerging
 from the quiet time and able to share what is going on with everyone.

   I have included the last 7 months of short notes from
 ItsYourNet CEO Ken Stewart to catch you up on where are are and what
 can be expected in the next few months.  I don't have any information
 other than what comes out in these news briefs so just stay tuned for
 further developments.

   January 4:  From ItsYourNet CEO Ken Stewart...

   The questions are still coming in about the Wireless Internet
 project and Stock in the Corporation since I released the last
 newsletter announcing the orders we are under with the Quiet Time
 on Thursday, December 22, 2006.

   So...
   Let me say this again...
   We are under strict orders to not say anything further about
 the Wireless project until authorized to do so.

   And as a result, these questions need to stop coming in to our
 support channels - Thank you!

   Furthermore, with a $13-Billion investor, no Seed or Preferred
 Stock needs to be offered and no other investment capital needs to be
 sought, so sale of Stock is not required to raise the money needed to
 launch the project.

   What you do and will receive as an Affiliate with ItsYourNet is
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Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts

2007-07-12 Thread J. Vogel
 of the community.

John

Clint Ricker wrote:

 Not to ruffle any feathers and not directed at anyone, but lack of
 problems
 on a single install does not always coincide with proper approaches on
 this
 sort of thing.  Best practices are just that--the best approach(es) to
 doing
 technical work--there are also bad practices, not so good practices,
 it may
 work practices, it should hold practices, and we'll deal with that later
 practices.  They often will get the job done, but, just so that we're all
 clear on this, none of the later category, no matter how many one-off
 implementations are functional to some degree or another, will ever be
 best
 practices.

 Personally, if I was in your town or especially on any sort of a planning
 board or whatever, I'd be fairly nervous about the idea of big heavy
 objects
 being held up by magnets, especially when (seemingly) it is being done by
 people who don't necessarily have a lot of experience with calculating
 load
 bearing stuff with magnets.  The fact that you hold up anecdotal
 evidence as
 a basis for its validity rather than it's engineered to withstand 100Mph
 winds or whatever pretty much illustrates my point--this is just a bad
 idea.  Just keep in mind that one falling antenna that kills one
 person is
 enough to bring out major liability lawsuits that you will not be covered
 against, not to mention bringing some fairly major legislative regulation
 and licensing requirements for mounting affecting the whole industry. 
 If I
 knew that antennas in my area were be magnet-mounted by amateurs, I
 would be
 personally leading the charge for some regulation on this.

 Ok, sorry for any offense.  I'm not trying to flame anyone, but this
 is just
 not a good idea.

 -Clint Ricker
 Kentnis Technologies



 On 7/12/07, Ray  Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Carl
 We used one from Tessco that has a collar that bolts around the vent on
 top
 of tank and adjustable legs for leveling.It has been up there 4 years
 with
 no problems.It was easy to install approx 1hour.
 Ray Hill

 - Original Message -
 From: J. Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 6:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts


  Carl Shivers wrote:
  We are going to be mounting Panel Sector antennas to 2 Water Towers.
 One
  tower is ideal with a rail that has been designed for pipe mounting.
 The
  other is not so kind. It simply has a ladder up the side and over the
  top,
  no catwalk. We were thinking about using one of those 170 lbs. Water
  Tower
  mounts. This means we either have to get a welder up there to weld
 the
  plates or come up with an industrial epoxy solution.
  I have successfully used magnets on a couple of towers for 2 years
 now...
 
  I don't completely trust them, so I also run a safety cable around the
  mast
  and anchor it to a solid projection on the tower so that if the
 magnets
  did
  turn loose, the mast wouldn't hit the ground, but in two years, and
  through
  several thunderstorms and pretty good winds, the magnets haven't
 shifted
  a bit that I can see.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts

2007-07-12 Thread J. Vogel
Not to argue with you JohnnyO,  :) but the last time I hired
professionals (just recently
in fact) to do something I could well have done myself, it was because I
was lazy
and cheap. I didn't have the time, nor the inclination to do something
myself, so I
hired a professional crew to do it for me. And I do mean professional.
A highly
experienced, regionally known, and well respected in the industry, firm.
I was there
to watch the work being done, and I can tell you that had safety,
efficiency, and
getting the job done according to all relevant best current practices
been the
criteria, the amateur crew I would have hired had I wanted to spend the time
money and energy to do it myself would have been a far better choice.

I may be lazy and cheap, but that is really irrelevant to the thread at
hand.

John

JohnnyO wrote:

 I think magnetic mounts are used by lazy / cheap people who do not
 want to spend the $$ nor the time to do it right. Get a professional
 welder... Be done with it, sleep at night. A magnetic mount would
 never fly with our approval board on our water tower systems.

 JohnnyO

 ps - I have a few friends on this list that use magnetic mounts.
 they are lazy / cheap :) LOL
 - Original Message - From: J. Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts


 I don't intend to ruffle any feathers, nor do I direct this at any one
 individual
 but, the number of assumptions made and the knee-jerk reactions and
 false statements being made in response to a suggestion that
 magnetic mounts can be successfully used in some circumstances is both
 amazing
 and somewhat disappointing. I would have hoped that we could have a
 more professional atmosphere on this list.

 Best practices if it in this case is taken to mean to use a
 commercially available
 professionally engineered mount which has been engineered to withstand
 100 mph wind loads (to use an arbitrary example) instead of using a
 mounting
 system which will withstand much more than that, albeit not a
 professionally
 engineered solution is just wrong. I would rather go with the stronger,
 more stable solution rather than compromise on the integrity of the
 mounting
 to attain the engineer's label. Whether that is best or not I suppose
 would
 depend upon whether your goal was safety or following the norm.

 It has been suggested in another post that nothing should ever be
 mounted
 on a tower that some idiot might at some point decided to use as a
 tie-off
 anchor point. That is a good idea in practice, but how many of us have
 attached
 a lightweight yagi antenna to a tower leg, assuming that nobody would
 ever
 be foolish enough to use it to tie off to, or even use as a foothold or
 handhold?
 Are we supposed to only use yagi antennas engineered to withstand
 improper
 use in case some idiot decides to tie off to one? What about omni
 antennas consisting
 of a thin metal rod, possibly encased in a small fiberglass tube? The
 point is
 that while safety should be a top priority, the goal of never mounting
 something
 on a tower that could at some point be mis-used as an anchor or support
 point
 is an unrealistic goal, which I would go so far as to say that those who
 propose
 such a goal have not been able to meet themselves, assuming that they
 have
 actually mounted equipment on towers.

 As far as mounting heavy stuff which might fall off and hurt someone, I
 would
 assume that the reaction(s) in this thread would indicate that
 non-penetrating
 roof mounts, chimmney mount brackets, clamping to roof vents not
 specifically
 engineered to withstand such use, and all other forms of mounting which
 might
 under some conditions fail and allow the heavy objects to fall
 would be
 outlawed in your town were you given the regulatory authority to do
 so. Or,
 perhaps because they were designed by professionals they would pass
 muster in your book in spite of the fact that any fool looking at
 them could
 imagine a likely scenario in which they would fail.

 I have seen numerous professionally engineered solutions which I
 would not
 use in a given circumstance because of the likelihood of it failing, and
 have
 in several instances used a solution designed by an amateur (me) so
 that
 I could rest easier at night, knowing that I have done what I could to
 mitigate
 the actual risk to life and property. Sometimes that means doing
 things in a
 way that is out of the norm, which scares some people. That they are
 scared
 by that which is not normal without a rational basis for their fear is
 disheartening. Many rules and regulations have been foisted upon us and
 have limited the options available to those less suited for the job
 at hand
 simply because of those irrational fears.

 I have seen mounts which were professionally mounted to towers using
 welded studs (either welded to existing towers or in some cases to
 towers
 being

Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts

2007-07-12 Thread J. Vogel
Clint,

Thank you for the civil reply.

You are still making assumptions which are in fact un-founded.
Nowhere in my post did I state the weights and dimensions of what
I have secured to towers using magnets, the number and size of magnets,
their placement on the towers, proximity to areas where there might
be climbers attempting find anchor points, whether they were on vertical
or horizontal planes of the tower, the leverage which might have been
either in favor of or against the magnets due to stresses which might
be placed on the mount by winds or objects striking the antennas/masts,
the methods used to tie the magnets together, wind load factor of
attached equipment, or really any other technical details which would
have given you or anybody else a possible basis for determining whether
or not the methods used were likely to be sufficient under all forseeable
circumstances, or even possible catastophic conditions. Yet you still
referred to amateurs, your liklihood of dis-allowing any such mounts
were you in the decision making role or in authority position, and other
references that indicated that you believe that anybody that would
use magnetic mounts in any circumstance (at 200 feet in the air) is
doing it wrong. I believe you also referred to lack of understanding
of magnet load carrying capacity and other references to the lack of
ability of people (presumably including me) who might choose to use
magnets to mount an antenna.

I did say that I did not completely trust the mount, and immediately
following that statement, stated that I had secured the mount/mast to
the tower using a safety cable. I did not express surprise that the magnets
had not moved, just stated that I could not detect any movement. I
actually attached the safety cable because I am probably more cautious
than most. I also don't completely trust most other mounting systems,
and whenever possible and/or practical, take steps to add a redundant
safety feature such as a safety cable, supporting braces, multiple mount
points, etc... and I do this on towers that are in rural locations with no
structures/and only authorized personnell being within 1/2 mile of the
towers. (and only on rare occasions at that.)There is almost zero
possibility
of anybody or any thing being damaged or hurt should the mounts
 fail and the safety cable failing simultaneously. And by almost zero
I mean approaching infinitesimally small odds that someone will get hurt.
But then again, I am not a statistician either. :)

My negative reaction to your post and those made by others was prompted
by the unequivocal statements that magnet mounts are always a bad idea. I
would propose that a properly designed and built mounting system secured
by the proper quantity/size/power magnets strategically placed can be safer
than many of the mounting systems I see in use that would not have elicited
such a response had the suggestion been to use them, including some mounts
I have seen that were bolted to the tower using capacitive stud welding. In
fact, I believe that magnets could be used successfully to secure a mounting
system that I WOULD trust my life to, and I take life very seriously. :)

The original poster asked for alternative ideas for mounting some sector
antennas to a tower. He did not as I recall specify the size or weight
of those
antennas. They likely are not very big or heavy if he is in the WISP
industry.
Most likely they weigh only a couple of pounds, with minimal wind loading
characteristics. If that is the case, it might be entirely possible to
design a
mounting system that would hold them, with the mounting system exceeding
the specifications of the antenna brackets themselves in terms of holding
capacity and projected reliability. I did not propose to him the design
of such
a system, nor would I. Only a suggestion that such things can and are being
done successfully, giving him another option to research. It is OK for you
and others to disagree, but please, do so in a reasoned and civil manner,
taking all care necessary to avoid giving the impression that you believe
those with whom you are disagreeing are idiots, fools, or worse... unless
of course they actually are. :)

John

Clint Ricker wrote:

 John Vogel,
 Disagreeing with you does not make this a less-than-professional
 discussion.  There was nothing in my post that was unprofessional or
 uncivil; I simply disagree with the use of magnet-mounting equipment onto
 towers.   If discussion on such stuff is unprofessional, then these lists
 have no purpose.

 You stated in your earlier post regarding magnets I don't completely
 trust
 them.  I don't either, so we are in agreement on the matter :).  Call it
 unprofessional of me, but I tend to think that one should avoid using
 mounting methods that one doesn't trust when one is dealing with big,
 heavy
 chunks of metal and what-all hundreds of feet in the air.

 As a general side note, any statement about mounting that involved some
 statement of I 

Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts

2007-07-11 Thread J. Vogel
Carl Shivers wrote:
 We are going to be mounting Panel Sector antennas to 2 Water Towers. One
 tower is ideal with a rail that has been designed for pipe mounting. The
 other is not so kind. It simply has a ladder up the side and over the top,
 no catwalk. We were thinking about using one of those 170 lbs. Water Tower
 mounts. This means we either have to get a welder up there to weld the
 plates or come up with an industrial epoxy solution.
I have successfully used magnets on a couple of towers for 2 years now...

I don't completely trust them, so I also run a safety cable around the mast
and anchor it to a solid projection on the tower so that if the magnets did
turn loose, the mast wouldn't hit the ground, but in two years, and through
several thunderstorms and pretty good winds, the magnets haven't shifted
a bit that I can see.

-- 

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http://www.vogent.net   620-754-3907
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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot setup

2007-05-08 Thread J. Vogel
I do appreciate that Dennis and Chuck have both taken the time and effort
to respond, but unfortunately - I still don't have an answer to the original
question. Is there a way to set the MT HotSpot feature to handle logons
for a customer who desires to be able to disable internet access from their
location when that customer's router already has a static public IP address.

For a variety of reasons, I would like to be able to accomplish this rather
than tell the customer such a thing is not possible, or that they need
to buy
new computers, or that they should not let their kids use the computers to
play games on because they cannot guarantee that the kids will not access
the internet when they were not supposed to, or.

Refer to my original post for more information, or contact me directly
if you
think such a thing can be done or even if you think it cannot be done.

Thanks!

John Vogel

Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless wrote:
 Lol ;) bingo!

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO
 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:53 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Hotspot setup

 I don't know. But since 98 is no longer supported sell them an xp pro
 upgrade. Then it will work. And you'll make some money. 

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Providing High Speed Broadband 
 to Rural Central California


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of J. Vogel
 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot setup


 Does that work on Win98?

 John Vogel


 CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
   
 Why knock your self out, use the two finger lock, windows key and L

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Providing High Speed Broadband 
 to Rural Central California


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of J. Vogel
 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:41 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot setup


 Is it possible to use MT Hotspot feature with clients that already have
 a public static IP address? I have a client that wants to be able to turn
 off their Internet Access when not being used.. they have a couple of
 computers in their office that unauthorized people may have access to
 when they step out of the office for a minute or two, and want to prevent
 those unauthorized people from using the computer(s) to access the
 
 internet.
   
 The set up is like this...

 client computers connected to a D-Link router, NAT/DHCP addressing.
 The D-Link has a static public IP on the WAN side.
 The D-Link accesses the Internet through a Tranzeo CPE configured in
 bridge mode, which is associated to the MT Access point.
 It is at this point that I would like to configure the hotspot, but only
 
 for
   
 this one client.

 Further info...
 The MT AP is also acting as a transparent bridge, receiving traffic on
 the AP side, and sending it to the network Gateway out ether1 (which
 goes through two more transparent bridges before it gets to the GW).
 The MT that is acting as AP for this client is on OS 2.9.35

 The MT AP currently has a private IP address. I could put a public IP
 on it and switch it to a routed segment at some point, but would rather
 not have to do that before setting this hotspot up for this client if
 that is
 at all possible.

 My thoughts are that it would be great to intercept traffic coming from
 
 the
   
 customer's public IP and direct it to the hotspot's walled garden until
 
 they
   
 provide a username and password, the enable access until they either log
 out or are inactive for a given number of minutes, or possible after a
 maximum length of time. I know that I can use the MT to direct traffic
 to a walled garden manually (I have used it like that to manually disable
 
 a
   
 customer's access) but would like to use it with the client login/logout
 feature.

 If someone has some pointers, or is willing to help me set this up, I
 
 would
   
 greatly appreciate any help.

 John Vogel

   
 

   
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[WISPA] Hotspot setup

2007-05-07 Thread J. Vogel
Is it possible to use MT Hotspot feature with clients that already have
a public static IP address? I have a client that wants to be able to turn
off their Internet Access when not being used.. they have a couple of
computers in their office that unauthorized people may have access to
when they step out of the office for a minute or two, and want to prevent
those unauthorized people from using the computer(s) to access the internet.

The set up is like this...

client computers connected to a D-Link router, NAT/DHCP addressing.
The D-Link has a static public IP on the WAN side.
The D-Link accesses the Internet through a Tranzeo CPE configured in
bridge mode, which is associated to the MT Access point.
It is at this point that I would like to configure the hotspot, but only for
this one client.

Further info...
The MT AP is also acting as a transparent bridge, receiving traffic on
the AP side, and sending it to the network Gateway out ether1 (which
goes through two more transparent bridges before it gets to the GW).
The MT that is acting as AP for this client is on OS 2.9.35

The MT AP currently has a private IP address. I could put a public IP
on it and switch it to a routed segment at some point, but would rather
not have to do that before setting this hotspot up for this client if
that is
at all possible.

My thoughts are that it would be great to intercept traffic coming from the
customer's public IP and direct it to the hotspot's walled garden until they
provide a username and password, the enable access until they either log
out or are inactive for a given number of minutes, or possible after a
maximum length of time. I know that I can use the MT to direct traffic
to a walled garden manually (I have used it like that to manually disable a
customer's access) but would like to use it with the client login/logout
feature.

If someone has some pointers, or is willing to help me set this up, I would
greatly appreciate any help.

John Vogel

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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot setup

2007-05-07 Thread J. Vogel
Does that work on Win98?

John Vogel


CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
 Why knock your self out, use the two finger lock, windows key and L

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Providing High Speed Broadband 
 to Rural Central California


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of J. Vogel
 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:41 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot setup


 Is it possible to use MT Hotspot feature with clients that already have
 a public static IP address? I have a client that wants to be able to turn
 off their Internet Access when not being used.. they have a couple of
 computers in their office that unauthorized people may have access to
 when they step out of the office for a minute or two, and want to prevent
 those unauthorized people from using the computer(s) to access the internet.

 The set up is like this...

 client computers connected to a D-Link router, NAT/DHCP addressing.
 The D-Link has a static public IP on the WAN side.
 The D-Link accesses the Internet through a Tranzeo CPE configured in
 bridge mode, which is associated to the MT Access point.
 It is at this point that I would like to configure the hotspot, but only for
 this one client.

 Further info...
 The MT AP is also acting as a transparent bridge, receiving traffic on
 the AP side, and sending it to the network Gateway out ether1 (which
 goes through two more transparent bridges before it gets to the GW).
 The MT that is acting as AP for this client is on OS 2.9.35

 The MT AP currently has a private IP address. I could put a public IP
 on it and switch it to a routed segment at some point, but would rather
 not have to do that before setting this hotspot up for this client if
 that is
 at all possible.

 My thoughts are that it would be great to intercept traffic coming from the
 customer's public IP and direct it to the hotspot's walled garden until they
 provide a username and password, the enable access until they either log
 out or are inactive for a given number of minutes, or possible after a
 maximum length of time. I know that I can use the MT to direct traffic
 to a walled garden manually (I have used it like that to manually disable a
 customer's access) but would like to use it with the client login/logout
 feature.

 If someone has some pointers, or is willing to help me set this up, I would
 greatly appreciate any help.

 John Vogel

   

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Re: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA?

2007-05-02 Thread J. Vogel
... I wish now that I had paid more attention in History classes

Which of the founding fathers said something to the effect that the
proper response of the citizenry
to an unjust law was to ignore/disobey it?

John Vogel

Butch Evans wrote:

 On Wed, 2 May 2007, Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:

 Changing the laws happens MUCH quicker if a mass of people openly
 oppose it.  Your country was founded on that very principle.

 Yes it does (sometimes).  Open opposition to a law and advocating
 criminal action are not the same thing.

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Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods

2007-03-26 Thread J. Vogel

 On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:49:43 -0400, Adam Greene wrote
   
 extracting a snippet from Adam's interesting prose
 A: No. The petition proposes CALEA coverage of only broadband Internet access 
 service and broadband telephony service. Other Internet-based services, 
 including those classified as information services such as email and visits 
 to websites, would not be covered.
   
/snip
 On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 wispa wrote in reply: 
 extracting a relevant portion of the reply
 Read this carefully, it says that website visits, IM, etc, are NOT included 
 in the information you must capture.  Yeah, yeah, it says the companies that 
 provide those services need not be compliant - if that's the case, then that 
 data is not included in the required types.  Only specific types of 
 information, mostly being VIOP calls are detailed.  Since VOIP calls are 
 tapped at the provider's end, it appears that really IS NO INCLUDED DATA that 
 needs to be tapped at the ISP's end, unless somehow we're supposed to find 
 peer to peer voice data buried in the packet flow or something.   

 Of course, this conflicts to some degree with other information published 
 elsewhere... and here, too. 

 I'm not sure it doesn't conflict with the FCC's and FBI's recent comments, 
 too. 
 /snip
 
 Mark Koskenmaki   Neofast, Inc
 Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains
 541-969-8200
   

I think the assertion that website visits, IM, etc, are not included
actually is a statement that those subject
to the provisions of CALEA are not defined by whether or not they offer
visits to websites or IM capability,
but rather whether or not they offer broadband internet access. Such
as an Internet access provider who
does not qualify as a broadband provider (dial-up?)  is not subject to
the provisions of CALEA, even though they may
enable the public to utilize email over their networks, whereas a
provider of broadband internet access is
subject to those provisions, simply because they offer broadband, but
not because their users have email
capability.

It is then up to the LEA's and courts to determine what they want to
sniff, which may or may not
include the email, IM, web site visits, etc...

Of course, IANAL.

John Vogel

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Re: [WISPA] outside connection

2007-03-16 Thread J. Vogel
I have used these with some success.

http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.asp?SKU=565-0107R=565%2D0107sid=45F9DE0075EFE17F

John

Travis Johnson wrote:

 Hi,

 We sometimes have to move people's radios because of tree growth,
 changing towers, etc. The biggest pain is having to re-run the CAT5
 cable because it won't reach. Has anyone ever seen some type of
 outdoor coupler or even something you could put around a normal
 coupler and just extend the cable without re-running the whole thing?

 Thanks,

 Travis
 Microserv
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Re: [WISPA] outside connection

2007-03-16 Thread J. Vogel

*grin*   The some success part was because they could yet fail, and I
haven't
used a lot of them. maybe 5 or 6. I have some out for a couple of years now,
and have yet to have one fail, but I sure wouldn't want to bet my entire
business
case on them, or any other splice method either. :)

John

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 some success  :)

 They have leaked for me.  If I have to splice I try to do it inside at
 point of entry with a coupler or keystone jack.  If it has to be done
 outside I use these..

 http://www.shop.com/op/~PETRA_300_071_UY_Gel_Splice_Connector_2_Port-prod-30304739-39574282?sourceid=3


 and mastic and super 33+.

 Brian

 J. Vogel wrote:
 I have used these with some success.

 http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.asp?SKU=565-0107R=565%2D0107sid=45F9DE0075EFE17F


 John

 Travis Johnson wrote:
  
 Hi,

 We sometimes have to move people's radios because of tree growth,
 changing towers, etc. The biggest pain is having to re-run the CAT5
 cable because it won't reach. Has anyone ever seen some type of
 outdoor coupler or even something you could put around a normal
 coupler and just extend the cable without re-running the whole thing?

 Thanks,

 Travis
 Microserv
 
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[WISPA] UHF tower co-location

2007-03-12 Thread J. Vogel
looking for someone that knows more about this than me  (which may be
most everybody) to give me a quick heads-up..

Up to this point, all of the access points I have deployed have been on
water towers or buildings which did not have any other significant RF
equipment on them. I may have an opportunity to co-locate on a UHF
TV transmitter tower now though. Can someone tell me in just a few
words whether or not I should even consider mounting WISP equipment
on such a tower, and what some of the issues I would face would be?

According to the FCC site, the tower is operating  between 566-572 mhz
at about 12.5kW analog, and 7.2kW digital. Interference in unlicensed
bands (900mHz, 2.4gHz, and 5.8gHz), radio frequency hazards etc...
any information you could give me would be helpful.

John
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Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-18 Thread J. Vogel
John,

Maybe I missed something, but how do you get from Travis' statement that
any user could do it, to questioning Travis as to whether that was a
claim to
have done it himself?

John Vogel

John Scrivner wrote:

 Travis,
 Are saying you are using 5.4 GHz radios in the US?
 Scriv


 Travis Johnson wrote:

 snip

 Yes, DoD may have a little more push with the FCC, but, who's to say
 someone can't buy 5.4ghz right now today and put it up? Any user with
 internet access could order and install a 5.4ghz AP tomorrow for
 less than $300...

 Travis



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Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-01 Thread J. Vogel
Does that BreezeACCESS CPE do 5 mile *NECLoS shots? Usable links that is...
Serious question... I don't know. If it does, I will have to re-think
how I am doing
things

John

* Not Even Close to Line of Sight...

Patrick Leary wrote:
 Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS CPE (under
 the AlvarionCOMNET program) without needing to piece things together so
 the points of failure risk and truck roll is both much smaller, not to
 mention a warranty and domestic supply and support. VL CPE comes with
 mounting hardware too and the cable. Our stuff is also all fully FCC
 legal.

 (donning flame suit now)

 - Patrick

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:51 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

 Exactly, after you add the rootenna,  you are at $348, plus
 International 
 Shipping charges (if in US).


 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: cw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients


   
 http://www.star-v3.com/store/

 $262 ea in ten packs + roo.

 Rick Smith wrote:
 
 Where are people buying their SR9 client setups, if at all ?
  What kind of pricing per CPE
  I'm looking at a couple places, and coming back with like $350 each
   
 for 
   
 a
 rootenna / cable / SR9 / P.S. and RB112
  Anyone see anything different ?
  R

   
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Re: [WISPA] Motor controlled rotating poles

2006-11-29 Thread J. Vogel
It looks to me like all that is needed is a slip ring for power. Surely
a WISP will
be able to figure out how to get data to/from the rotating units without
using wires.
:)

John


Brett Hays wrote:

 Wow, an ethernet slip ring...bet that could cause all sorts of problems.

 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:54 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Motor controlled rotating poles


 I think a simple TV antenna rotator would do the trick.  If you got
 an IP
 camera with dry contact outputs, like the Axis network cameras, you
 could
 wire up some relays connected to the outputs of the camera that would
 rotate the pole in either direction.  The contact outputs on the axis
 cameras can be controlled through the web interface.  You'd need a slip
 ring arrangement of some sort or limit switches on the rotator so that
 your ethernet and control cables don't get all wrapped up when the pole
 rotates, of course.

 Patrick

 Tom,
 I would try and look up something from the ham radio realm. They have
 remote control systems for remote mounted radios. My idea would be
 is you
 can find something with a software package that can remotely control a
 rotor. This rotor would have your AP and camera mounted to the short
 section
 of mast on top of the rotor. This could be an inexpensive TV antenna
 rotor.
 Off the top of my head I can't think of anything that I know does
 this but
 that's because I don't play with remote controlled radios much.



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:21 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Motor controlled rotating poles


 For the longest time, I wanted to build a solution to do the following,
 from
 each of our Master Cell Sites

 1) Rotate a IP Camera 360 deg (remotely over an IP connection)
 2) Rotate a Pole with a Trango Fox 5800SU on it 360 deg (remotely
 over IP
 connection).

 The purpose is two fold

 When Link quality severally degrades for a short period, either packet
 loss
 or rssi,

 1) To discover/view when there is a third party worker working on
 the roof
 of our cell site.
   (Who may be standing in front of antennas periodically or testing
 gear
 that interfers without getting pre-approved)

 2) To do a spectrum site survey, on the fly in any direction, to
 find the
 least noisy channel, WITHOUT taking the primary sector antenna down
 (offline).

 By having the radio and the camera on the same pole, it would help
 confirm
 which direction we were pointing exactly when doing the survey. One
 of the
 other requirements is that it won't turn more that 360 in one
 direction to
 prevent cable CAT5 breaking, and to ahve a refference of the starting
 point
 in deg, calibrated to a known direction (north 0 deg?).   What would
 REALLY
 be cool, is if it had a speaker out put on the camera, so I could
 yell at
 the worker standing in front of my antenna :-).   I'm aware that some
 camera
 may have an output for controlling a relay or servo motor, as some
 solutions/platforms exist to mount and rotate a single camera attached.
 Preferably, I'd like a solution that could rotate the pole itself.
 Everything of course would need to be outdoor survivable, and strong
 enough
 that the pole would stay errect and safe at 200-300 feet up.  My
 thought
 is
 that maybe the controls could be initiated from the IP Camera
 connections,
 If I found a rotating platform/pole mount.

 Are there any mechanical hobbyists out there, that might suggest the
 most
 cost effective way to accomplish this?
 (My goal is lowest cost, lowest cost, lowest cost, so I can afford to
 replicate the solution at about 20 locations)

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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Re: [WISPA] Multi-Mini-PCI self interference

2006-11-19 Thread J. Vogel
I haven't tested with equipment, but I am running several repeaters
with two 2.4 Ghz cards in the same enclosure (on the same board) without
issue. I am even managing to do it without any separation to speak of on
the antennas, as they are mounted within 18 inches of each other in several
cases. No apparent problems with interference that I can detect, as long as
the channel separation is adequate.

John


Tom DeReggi wrote:

 Has anyonoe tested the amount of self interference created between two
 MiniPCI RF cards mounted in the same box in the same spectrum range?
 Does the connector bleed RF? My original thought for multi-Slot boards
 (Mikroti/WAR) was that if I wanted to put in 4 cards, I could put in a
 2.4, 900, 5.3, and 5.8G all in the same box without self interference
 since they were in different spectrum ranges.
 But can two cards be put in, within the same range (Qty 2- 5.3Ghz
 cards for example) without interference?

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR9 problems..


 Hi,

 I wouldn't recommend more than one SR9 per RB532. They draw a lot of
 power, and you will probably burn up your RB after a while.

 Also, there is a frequency conversion chart in the Mikrotik forums on
 how the 2.4ghz channels translate to the 900mhz channels. Mikrotik
 will be fixing this in the 3.0 release.

 Travis
 Microserv

 J. Vogel wrote:
 I finally got a chance to play with the SR9 cards I got in last week.
 Installed them
 in a RB532 running 2.9.30, along with one Prism nl-2511mp plus and a
 RouterBoard r52 (Atheros chipset?). Not working.

 First off, the SR9s are big enough that they don't fit everwhere you
 might think they
 should... such as on the top side of a RB112. Neither do they fit in
 one
 of the two
 slots in the expansion daughterboard for a RB532. Swapping cards
 around,
 I did
 get the two SR9s in with the other two cards above. One is on the
 daughterboard,
 the other is (I think) on the back side of RB532. Fired up the system,
 and it shows
 four wireless interfaces. The Prism, and the rb52 (which shows up as
 Atheros AR5413)
 both work, am able to configure them and pass traffic through them as
 desired.

 The other two interfaces are listed as AR5213 cards. Is that
 correct? When I
 attempt to configure those interfaces (using winbox) the only option I
 have available
 for the RF band is 2.4Ghz, along with the B,G 10mHz and 5 mHz
 options in
 that
 band. Channels 1 through 11 in the 2.4 range are available for me to
 select. Nothing
 about 900 mHz.

 What am I doing wrong?

 John

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[WISPA] SR9 problems..

2006-11-18 Thread J. Vogel
I finally got a chance to play with the SR9 cards I got in last week.
Installed them
in a RB532 running 2.9.30, along with one Prism nl-2511mp plus and a 
RouterBoard r52 (Atheros chipset?). Not working.

First off, the SR9s are big enough that they don't fit everwhere you
might think they
should... such as on the top side of a RB112. Neither do they fit in one
of the two
slots in the expansion daughterboard for a RB532. Swapping cards around,
I did
get the two SR9s in with the other two cards above. One is on the
daughterboard,
the other is (I think) on the back side of RB532. Fired up the system,
and it shows
four wireless interfaces. The Prism, and the rb52 (which shows up as
Atheros AR5413)
both work, am able to configure them and pass traffic through them as
desired.

The other two interfaces are listed as AR5213 cards. Is that correct? When I
attempt to configure those interfaces (using winbox) the only option I
have available
for the RF band is 2.4Ghz, along with the B,G 10mHz and 5 mHz options in
that
band. Channels 1 through 11 in the 2.4 range are available for me to
select. Nothing
about 900 mHz.

What am I doing wrong?

John
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Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for installs.

2006-11-16 Thread J. Vogel
Travis brings up a good point I think. When I purchased insurance on my
bucket truck,
I specifically asked the agent about possible problems with it being a
bucket truck, and
he assured me that as far as the automotive liability insurance was
concerned, the bucket
had no effect, as any mis-haps involving the use of the bucket itself
would not fall
under automotive insurance policies. It would effect comprehensive
insurance as the
value of the truck would be increased, but my truck is old enough I just
took liability
on it.

I too think issues with the use of the bucket would more likely be
covered under
my general liability policy, unless it was a case of employee injury
(falling out of the
bucket) which would fall under workman's comp. Meanwhile, I use the
truck because
it is so much safer for me (and any employee's I might hire) than
working from a ladder.

The holder of my general business liability may well disclaim any
responsibility because
they think it should be the automotive insurer's. :)

I hope I never have to find out.

John


Travis Johnson wrote:

 Hi,

 There are several other factors to consider here insurance on the
 vehicle itself is to cover if you damage someone else's property
 (vehicle) by getting into an accident on the road. You may also have
 full-coverage insurance to pay to fix the bucket truck itself.

 However, the other issue is general liability insurance... if you have
 someone in the bucket and they go thru someone's roof because they
 aren't paying attention, wouldn't that be covered by your general
 liability policy, rather than the auto insurance policy?

 Travis
 Microserv

 P.S. In almost 10 years in the wireless business, and well over
 1,000,000 miles logged on over 20 wireless vehicles during that time
 (including several bucket trucks), we have never had an insurance
 claim...  yet my rates continue to go up every year... :(

 Tom DeReggi wrote:
 When you put it that way... It does bring a new perpective to
 think about. Well said.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - From: Tim Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance for use of bucket truck or lift for
 installs.


 Tom, I do share some of same views that You have. I just thought it
 would be a good idea to present the pros and cons of omitting
 information. There are 2 types of insurance customers it seems?. The
 first one is like Yourself. You buy the insurance because You have
 to, and the thought of using it doesn't really cross Your mind for
 all the reasons You mentioned below. If it were possible, I am sure
 that insurance CO's would love to find a way to discern the quality
 customers from the irresponsible ones, and charge lower rates based
 on this fact, and the fact that the bucket is only used once a
 month?. That sad part is there is no real way to do this, as
 insurance is based on the law of large #'s, and in order for it to
 work, everyone must be lumped together in one big pool(for lack of
 other words?). Your customer profile is fairly common though. I
 respect the fact that when the truck is in the field, only
 responsible operators like Yourself will be operating the bucket,
 being extra cautious as to whats going on around You and whats
 happening when the boom is moving etc. This is the way it should be
 at all times. Now lets move on to the second type of customer(The
 most uncommon, believe it or not?). This person usually does
 everything they can to cut corners, not only with work ethics and
 install qualities but also with their level of responsibilties in
 the day to day operation of their business. This customer will hire
 the cheapest employee that will work for them, skimp on safety and
 vehicle maintainence,  owe $$ to most of the vendors he or she does
 business with and they will usually try and call their employees
 Sub-contractors, trying to avoid paying taxes and workmans
 compensation to make more $$(This is really an entirely different
 topic, but I am just using this as an example?). This risk taking
 carries over to things such as the safe use of a bucket truck. If
 You remember, I mentioned that the people that work for this person
 are really only there because they can not find a job anywhere else,
 and our business owner in question hires them because it is cheap
 labor. The day comes when the bucket truck is needed for an install,
 and our employee gets behind the wheel to do the job(Keep in mind
 that our employee was up half the night boozing with his/her
 friends, and just found it their spouse is messing with the
 neighbor). When at the job site, this employee will not have very
 good safety principles, and will do something really dumb like tear
 the service head for the electric off the wall of the house and tear
 down the cable CO's fiber line, along with the local Telco's phone
 

[WISPA] MT Bridge quits bridging.

2006-09-26 Thread J. Vogel
I have a Mikrotik unit that had been running pretty flawlessly for
almost a year
that has failed 3 times in the last 2 1/2 days or so. The unit is a
RB532  with
MT 2.9.28 on it, 32 MB Ram, 265Mhz processor, Atheros AR5213 radio
bridged to ether1, WDS, associated to its sister unit for a ptp link.

When it fails, I can ping and log in to the radio from either interface.
There
doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary, I have all logging set to
remote, and nothing shows up on the log server, but no traffic seems to
be bridged between the ether1 and wlan1 interfaces. Ping watchdog doesn't
do any good, since both interfaces work fine, and pings from the unit
to network devices on either side of the bridge are successful. Pings
through
the unit fail however, as does all other traffic.. Power cycling the
unit, or
logging in to it and executing a reboot fixes it.

Any ideas what is causing this to happen, or how to prevent it? I
suspect malicious
packets being sent through (or to.. although it has only an rfc 1918
address on it)
the unit as the culprit. I do have a few firewall rules on it, although
that is minimal.

The last two times it locked up were just before 5:00 pm. Maybe when the
kids
got home from school and someone turned on a virus infected computer?

John Vogel

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Re: [WISPA] Missouri Crane service

2006-06-28 Thread J. Vogel
Correction: I should have said... about 75 miles WEST of St. Louis..

J. Vogel wrote:
 Sorry for the noise for those of you not familiar with Missouri,
 but does one of the Wisps on this list operating in Missouri have
 any recommendations for crane services I should contact to
 assist in removing a 140` (Rohn SSV) tower located about
 75 miles east of St. Louis?

 Email me offlist if you wish.

 Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming

 John Vogel
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Re: [WISPA] Missouri Crane service

2006-06-28 Thread J. Vogel
Thanks. I have a call in to Gabriele crane service in Rolla,
but they haven't yet returned it. The tower is in St. James.

John
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Mark McElvy wrote:
 I know there is a crane service in Rolla, MO, never used them and don't
 know the name offhand. Did you buy that tower in St James?

 Mark McElvy
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 573.729.9200 - Office
 573.729.9203 - Fax
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of J. Vogel
 Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:40 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Missouri Crane service

 Correction: I should have said... about 75 miles WEST of St. Louis..

 J. Vogel wrote:
   
 Sorry for the noise for those of you not familiar with Missouri,
 but does one of the Wisps on this list operating in Missouri have
 any recommendations for crane services I should contact to
 assist in removing a 140` (Rohn SSV) tower located about
 75 miles east of St. Louis?

 Email me offlist if you wish.

 Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming

 John Vogel
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Re: [WISPA] I need a cheap watchdog/reboot thingy

2006-05-09 Thread J. Vogel
Thanks for the link, but this isn't what I was thinking of.
Maybe I was dreaming, but I sure thought I saw a picture
of a small device, one ethernet port only, and either a single
or duplex outlet or maybe it switched DC voltage...
that would fit in a 8X12X4
box with lots of room to spare. It seems to me that somebody
posted a link to such a thing a couple of weeks or months ago.

John Vogel

Travis Johnson wrote:


 HI,

 We have used many of these, but they aren't sub-$100...

 http://www.digital-loggers.com/EPC.html

 Travis
 Microserv

 J. Vogel wrote:

 I seem to recall that someone posted a link to a sub-$100 ping
 watchdog/reboot
 unit on one of these lists recently, but I cannot locate the message I
 am thinking
 I saw. I need a simple device to power-cycle an access point radio or
 two when
 pings to the network default gateway fail.

 Can anybody point me to such a thing? Thanks!

 John Vogel
  


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Re: [WISPA] I need a cheap watchdog/reboot thingy

2006-05-09 Thread J. Vogel
Thanks for your help, but I believe that is overkill for what I want.

This might have been what I saw... It looks like what I want anyway.

http://www.hw-group.com/products/ip_watchdog/index_lite_en.html

Now if I could just figure out how to buy some of them

John Vogel


KyWiFi LLC wrote:

Here's the version I think you are looking for John:
http://tinyurl.com/z7ovs  I purchased one of these a
while back but haven't had the time to play with it yet.
It's like $200 off right now while they still have stock
so you better go grab one if this is what you are looking
for.


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- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need a cheap watchdog/reboot thingy


HI,

We have used many of these, but they aren't sub-$100...

http://www.digital-loggers.com/EPC.html

Travis
Microserv

J. Vogel wrote:

  

I seem to recall that someone posted a link to a sub-$100 ping
watchdog/reboot
unit on one of these lists recently, but I cannot locate the message I
am thinking
I saw. I need a simple device to power-cycle an access point radio or
two when
pings to the network default gateway fail.

Can anybody point me to such a thing? Thanks!

John Vogel
 



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Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Ethernet Splice

2006-01-23 Thread J. Vogel
I haven't used these, but someone on one of these lists pointed them
out a while back.

http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.asp?SKU=565-0107

I am going to order some in one of these days. They look good to me.

John Vogel


Mark Nash wrote:

Anyone have recommendations on products you use for outdoor, weatherproof
ethernet splices?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
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Re: [WISPA] Mounting pole size

2005-09-22 Thread J. Vogel
I have used 1.5 (actually ~2 o.d.) galvanized water pipe
to do this, works great.

John


Scott Reed wrote:

 Thanks for the responses. I had originally thought 4 something, but
 looks like I will look at 1.5 and/or 2.

 I like that, Johnny. $150 to paint the pole brown and the antenna grid
 and radio box green and who will see it beside a tree, which is where
 this one will go.

 Scott Reed
 Owner
 NewWays
 Wireless Networking
 Network Design, Installation and Administration
 www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/

 *-- Original Message ---*
 From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:57:24 -0500
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mounting pole size

  Heck Cliff - I charged a customer $150.00 to use a $5.00 can of
 paint and 10 minutes to spray an antenna - they used cosmetically
 pleasing during the site survey - The way I see it is if they are
 that well versed in the english language to use a word I can't spell
 without spell check - it's gotta be worth something !
 
  JohnnyO


 
  -Original Message-
  *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Cliff
  *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:42 AM
  *To:* WISPA General List
  *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Mounting pole size
 
 
 
  JohnnyO,
 
  You ARE a pimp! Where the luv for your customer?
 
 
  Cliff – Work
  985-879-3219
  www.cssla.com http://www.cssla.com/
  www.triparish.net http://www.triparish.net/
 
 
 
 
 
 

  *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *JohnnyO
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:15 AM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Mounting pole size
 
 
  Mount it in a tree ? - the term asthetics generally triples
 our install price FYI !
 
 
 
  JohnnyO


  -Original Message-
 *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:05 AM
 *To:* wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Mounting pole size
  I have a site where the only place to get a signal is about
 5 off the road and then run cable 100' back to the house. Only
 issue is asthetics; customer does not want a big pole in the
 yard. What is the smallest pole/mast/whatever you would use to
 get up 8 feet or so in open ground?

 Scott Reed
 Owner
 NewWays
 Wireless Networking
 Network Design, Installation and Administration
 www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/ 


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Re: [WISPA] Looking for...

2005-08-22 Thread J. Vogel
I am doing this without MT.. but I do have Linux running a transparent
bridge between my
customers and my core router. Use iptables to redirect (DNAT) the src IP
address web requests to
my webserver (I redirect requests to port 80 to my webservers address on
port 88) and
then have the virtual host on that web server which listens to that IP
on port 88 use
Mod_ReWrite to redirect all of the REQUEST_URIs to index.html.

Using this system, If I want to shut off a customer, all I do is enter
their assigned IP
once into IP tables, and ANY web reqests gets my index.html page. It
works for
http://yahoo.com/  and for http://yahoo.com/EERTS123X/ddd.asp/?sessid=7788

Two things to keep in mind..
1.You want to be careful about how much (possibly private) information
is put on
your web page. It may be fine to use that page to inform your customer
that they are a deadbeat, except that you cannot know which member of
the customer's family, friends, or relatives may be the first one use
the customer's
computer while visiting on vacation and be the one who gets to read about
your customer's account status. Your lawyer may have better advice.

2. It is probably a good idea to make your web page non-cacheable, so
that when
your customer does pay their bill and you re-enable their access, they don't
keep seeing your page instead of
http://yahoo.com/EERTS123X/ddd.asp/?sessid=7788

John

JNA wrote:

I have been looking to implement this as well with our MT boxes. Does anyone
have any samples? I know how to redirect an ip in the MT boxes but how do
you redirect to a specific web page? Unless you setup a web server on the ip
with a generic page just for that server you would get the main web site on
the web server ip. Now if you could go to ip/yourshutoff.html that would be
different.

John


  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bo Hamilton
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for...

Redirect that IP to a webserver on your network.  You can do that on
just about any core router, Star-Os, MT and so on.

Bo



Ray  Jean wrote:



Looking for a intro page, webpage ect.. That will let a customer know
that their end user modem for wireless service has been cut off or
deactivated due to lack of payments. When they click on their browser
to view a website I would like the page to say; something like, Sorry
due to non-payment your internet web surfing has been stopped..  Does
anyone have a template or know how to make this work on the wireless
modems?
Thanks Jean
www.surfmore.net
  

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