Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[tim--- via Wireless]

Claude X11 or should the reference be N11

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org  On Behalf Of
Claude Aiken via Wireless
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM
To: James Wilson ; WISPA General List

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

 

As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11
numbers, it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white
label. 

 

Yes, has to be reflected on 477.

 

We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon.

 

 

 

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From: James Wilson via Wireless mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > 

Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting 

 

Is there some information about what is considered phone service? 

 

Can we just offer something like Ooma?  Does this phone service need to be
reflected in FCC 477?

 

Is there a place to go for further information?

 

Thanks!

 

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless
mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > wrote:

There are two upcoming items on the FCC's August 1st meeting on items that
will effect all WISP's.Please review the documents below.

 

Short summary:

 

477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information.
Personally this is a good thing.

 

RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will be
spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3
service & phone.   

 

WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th.
A lot of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are
fair and open to all providers, not just the Telco's.   There is no way to
stop the feds from spending this money - it's coming regardless of what we
do.   Both political parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to
spend money on rural broadband.  

 

YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART to either position yourself to receive this
funding, or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you.

 

Mark

 

Mark Radabaugh

WISPA Policy Committee Chair

419-261-5996





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From: "Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee" mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org> >

Subject: [PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

Date: July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT

To: "'policycommit...@wispa.org  '"
mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org> >

Reply-To: "Coran, Steve" mailto:sco...@lermansenter.com> >, mailto:policycommit...@wispa.org> >

 

Just released, below are links to draft items of interest for the FCC's
August 1 open meeting.  We have the opportunity to meet with the
Commissioners until the afternoon of July 25.  Would appreciate the
Committee's input on these soon.  Just released, and I have not had a chance
to review these yet.

 

DRAFT Form 477 Order + FNPRM:

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358433A1.pdf

DRAFT RDOF NPRM:  
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358432A1.pdf

 

Stephen E. Coran

Lerman Senter PLLC   |2001 L Street, NW, Suite
400 | Washington, DC 20036

202-416-6744 (o) | 202-669-3288 (m) | sco...@lermansenter.com
   |@stevecoran - twitter

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] CRM and Trouble ticketing software

[Tim]

Bicom system







From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org  On Behalf Of 
Olufemi Adalemo
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:05 PM
To: WISPA List 
Subject: [WISPA] CRM and Trouble ticketing software



Hi List, it's been quite a while

I'm looking to set up a contact center for my clients with a CRM integrated to 
FreePBX as well as trouble ticketing software. I want to deploy all the systems 
on premise not hosted. What solutions have you used and what do you recommend? 
How do you rate Bitrix24?



Thanks!!!


- - -

Olufemi Adalemo

M: +234-803-5610040

M: +234-809-8610040

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[WISPA] Email Providers?

[Tim Densmore]

Hi Folks,

We're looking at possibly migrating our customer mail from local servers
to a cloud provider (full service, not a build-our-own at
AWS/google/azure/etc hopefully), though the discussion is still very
much at the "talking about it" stage.  Assuming that anyone here uses a
cloud provider for email, does anyone on the list want to share who they
are using and what their migration experience was like?  Pricing would
also be great, assuming no NDA.

Thanks!
Tim Densmore

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Re: [WISPA] Butch Evans ??

[Tim Reichhart]

If you need some tik help hit up Robert Terpe on Facebook or call him at 
360-202-9157 not try to put butch down but Robert does good job.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Butch Evans ??

 

He's around... Hear from him all the time.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 4:47 PM Tony C. Loosle  wrote:

I have been trying to contact Butch Evans for some mikrotik work.


Does anyone know if he is still around?

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Re: [WISPA] tower climbing rope

[Tim Withrow]

Gme supply has good gear and prices 

https://www.gmesupply.com/rope-rescue



On Friday, June 22, 2018 David Funderburk  wrote:

We need more rope for a job on a 250 ft tower.   What rope do you recommend and 
where can I get a good price?


Regards,

David Funderburk
GlobalVision
864-569-0703

For Technical Support, please email gv-supp...@globalvision.net.

 


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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[tim]

ew customers or customers stuck in their ways.  Everyone 
else running Powercode is already running the BMU and spending their time on 
other things instead of replacing what's already working.






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On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

It amazes me that it has taken them t his long to support MT in that fashion.



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 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>


  _


From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:23:15 PM


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

Mikrotik BMU is still in beta.  Pretty much everyone is currently using the 
Powercode BMU.






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On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Tim Reichhart mailto:t...@nwohiobb.com> > wrote:

Brian
Your still around the business? I haven't spoken to you in long while.. I
was using iwisp.gr <http://iwisp.gr>  I just switched to powercode about week 
ago and my
powercode isn't working due to miktroik bmu is still in beta and everytime I
call into support I get excuses it just seems like powercode lacks the
support for there software. If powercode doesn't get there act together I
might be looking to switch to ubnt crm or sonar.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> ] On
Behalf Of Alan Luelf
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

We use Sonar. There is also powercode, Azotel, visp.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Brian Rohrbacher  <mailto:br...@reliableinter.net> >
wrote:
>
> What do we got out there for billing solutions?  My current one is not
> working out.  I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I
> liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be
> falling apart.  I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45
> days and they just can't get it done.  It's beyond frustrating, time
> consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why
> my payment site is not secure.  I can't take it anymore.  I need some
> recommendations on whats out there.  I want good support.  I need a
> solution with support.  What's everybody using?  What do you like and
> dislike about it?
>
>
> Brian
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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Tim Reichhart]

Brian
Your still around the business? I haven't spoken to you in long while.. I
was using iwisp.gr I just switched to powercode about week ago and my
powercode isn't working due to miktroik bmu is still in beta and everytime I
call into support I get excuses it just seems like powercode lacks the
support for there software. If powercode doesn't get there act together I
might be looking to switch to ubnt crm or sonar.

Tim 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Alan Luelf
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

We use Sonar. There is also powercode, Azotel, visp. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Brian Rohrbacher 
wrote:
> 
> What do we got out there for billing solutions?  My current one is not 
> working out.  I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I 
> liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be 
> falling apart.  I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45 
> days and they just can't get it done.  It's beyond frustrating, time 
> consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why 
> my payment site is not secure.  I can't take it anymore.  I need some 
> recommendations on whats out there.  I want good support.  I need a 
> solution with support.  What's everybody using?  What do you like and 
> dislike about it?
> 
> 
> Brian
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Re: [WISPA] SIC codes

[tim]

These are the SIC codes we use

 

By job function

 

5191   AUDIO  OR  CALL   BOX  OR  INTERCOM  SYSTEMS  INSTALLATION   -
WITHIN BUILDINGS; BANKS OR TRUST COMPANIES: OFFICE MACHINE

 

7600   FIRE  ALARM  TRANSMISSION  LINE  CONSTRUCTION:TELEPHONE,
TELEGRAPH OR CABLE TELEVISION COMPANY

 

 

8810   BANKS, CREDIT UNIONS AND TRUST COMPANIES; CLERICAL OFFICE
EMPLOYEES; DRAFTING EMPLOYEES; PUBLIC LIBRARY OR MUSEUM:

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Lenig
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 11:30 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] SIC codes

 

Anyone know the SIC for a WISP?   I see "Internet Service - 7374021" and I
see Satellite Service has its own #, but nothing for WISP.

 

-Joe Lenig

 

 



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Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

[tim]

I was asked to speak on the issue of Net Neutrality.

This is the recording



http://wtcmradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Tim-Maylone-Cherry-Capital-Communications-12-01-17.mp3



Staying to point was one of my goals I thought I achieved.



It was my first time in studio, Was kind of fun

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 12:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points



There is nothing wrong with prioritizing one type of service over another (VOIP 
vs FTP).  It leads to a better quality of service for the end user.

Where this was going sideways earlier was when the big ISP companies were going 
to charge Netflix and Hulu directly if they wanted priority on their backbones.



On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Sean Heskett mailto:s...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

Yes but do you prioritize vonage over ooma???

-Sean



[Sent from mobile]


On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:33 PM, James Wilson mailto:ja...@ridgecomms.com> > wrote:

Don't we prioritize VoIP?



On Dec 15, 2017 4:04 PM, "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

This is fantastic.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

For your use, re-posted from last week:



Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet Freedom”

December 2017



Overview for WISPA Members



*   These talking points are not intended to be used proactively. WISPA is 
not taking a proactive role in advocacy on this issue, and we do not recommend 
that you do.

*   The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public inquiries if 
they do come in.

*   If you receive a query about your company’s position on net neutrality, 
or WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to handle. Please send 
it to:

o   Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support,  
<mailto:d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com> d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com

*   If you do choose to answer a media or public query:

o   Please let us know, preferably in advance; and

o   Please stick to this script; going off script could create problems for you 
and your business.



General Tips



*   Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up with facts; 
so please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable with facts.

*   If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A convenient 
way to say it is: “I don’t know about that, but what I do know is …”

*   Don’t bring up other issues.



Talking Points



*   Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet.

o   We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content.

o   We disclose our terms of service in plain English.

o   We support robust privacy protections for our customers.

o   Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support them.



*   We believe you can have a free and open internet without heavy-handed 
regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small providers.



*   What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up until two 
years ago? It worked well then, and it will again.



*   FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like large 
monopoly utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements, all 
subject to bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from investment in 
under-served areas and diverting them instead toward lawyers and compliance 
consultants.



*   When our compliance costs go up because of government action, we either 
have to reduce investment in our business or pass those costs on to our 
customers.




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Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

[Tim Cailloux]

I talked to a reporter on Net Neutrality yesterday, and this is one of
the things I highlighted, as a scenario in which an ISP could help
customers after Title II no longer applied.  Like, "I know your Internet
stinks right now; it's your XBox updates and your Windows updates, and
that's the reason you can't stream Netflix.  I can't manage traffic
priorities during peak hours for you."
I had a customer call for support because their PS4 was uploading and
saturating their upstream.  We ended the call with all electronics in
his house in a pile in the living room to prove that it was one of his
devices and not my service.
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On Fri, Dec 15, 2017, at 12:55, Vance Shipley wrote:
> Good story. This is the stuff that people don't understand. Policy
> enforcement is good for everyone, including the enforcee! Net
> neutrality, as imagined by it's staunch supporters, is a really bad
> idea. They imagine it's about "big corporate" stifling competition and
> innovation but the very real everyday impact of real "neutrality"
> would be normal people suffering poor service so the geeky few could
> pay less for their consumption and no back pressure on abuse.> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2017 21:34, "Kris McElroy"
>  wrote:>> I would agree with Adair, Torrent is a 
> non-issue for us.  We have
>> seen more complaints from Windows Update and Xbox Live Updates
>> impacting customers connections, meaning they call in and say “I am
>> paying for 20 Meg service and when I run a speed test I am only
>> seeing 2 Meg Down or wny is my Netflix buffering”.  We go and look
>> and they will have a windows update running in the background taking
>> 18-19 Meg of their connection up and you have to explain that to
>> them, same way with Xbox accept all our gamers have our 50 Meg plan
>> and it will chew up 30 to 40 Meg downloading an update or game.
>> Luckily, we can manage this with our Procera now so we don’t hear
>> from customers as much.>> __ __


>> Kris McElroy


>> __ __


>> __ __


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>> *From: * on behalf of Mike Hammett 
>> > il.net> *Reply-To: *WISPA General List  *Date:
>> *Friday, December 15, 2017 at 9:51 AM *To: *WISPA General List
>>  *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality &
>> bandwidth providers>> __ __


>> Fair how?


>>
>>
>> -
>>  Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[1] mage removed by
>>  sender.mage removed by sender.mage removed by sender.mage removed by
>>  sender. Midwest Internet Exchange[2] mage removed by sender.mage
>>  removed by sender.mage removed by sender. The Brothers WISP[3] mage
>>  removed by sender.mage removed by sender.>> 
>> *From: *"Vance Shipley"  *To: *"WISPA General
>> List"  *Sent: *Friday, December 15, 2017 9:43:31
>> AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers>> Because 
>> it's the fair thing to do. As a neighbour I would greatly
>> appreciate it.>> __ __


>> On Dec 15, 2017 21:05, "Mike Hammett" 
>> wrote:>>> Why?


>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>>  Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[4] mage removed by
>>>  sender.mage removed by sender.mage removed by sender.mage removed
>>>  by sender. Midwest Internet Exchange[5] mage removed by sender.mage
>>>  removed by sender.mage removed by sender. The Brothers WISP[6] mage
>>>  removed by sender.mage removed by sender.>>> 
>>> *From: *"Rory Conaway"  *To: *"WISPA General
>>> List"  *Sent: *Wednesday, December 13, 2017
>>> 11:04:43 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth
>>> providers
>>>
>>>  I want to be able to throttle torrent users.  Beyond that, I don't
>>>  think it will affect us much in areas of high-competition.
>>>
>>>  Rory
>>>
>>>  -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>> [mailto:wireless-
>>>  boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Tuesday,
>>>  December 12, 2017 6:57 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re:
>>>  [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers
>>>
>>>  On 12/10/17 2:44 PM, Chadwick Wachs wrote:
>>>  > What are the current thoughts on the effects of net neutrality
>>>  > being over turned on our bandwidth providers? I understand how
>>>  > the cable and DSL companies may react but as a small WISP, I

Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza - Where is the Gear Beef?

[tim]

The show as matured and vendors seem to be responding in the area of



Billing system

Network experience monitoring and cloud based monitoring

Power backup

Accounting and CPA service

New cloud based add on services



Hopefully the radio manufactures respond with new and increased bandwidth 
capacities so we can respond



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 12:52 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza - Where is the Gear Beef?



There is just so much that it all blends together.



Cadmium had lots of stuff on their roadmap.  Lte radios,  3.65 medusa, ac gen 2 
epmp, etc.



I think most vendors can't afford to wait to a wispa show to launch, so they 
launch when they're ready.



Also, the show has grown to the point where there is so much going on that it's 
hard to pick out anything in particular.  Plus the announcements tend to not be 
that unexpected.   Vendors have newer faster radios.  Others have cooler 
features.  But all pretty expected.



On Oct 13, 2017 6:39 AM, "Gino A. Villarini" mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once was? 
No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?



Nothing new from Mimosa



UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul



Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular either



Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60 ghz? 
SFP ports?




Gino A. Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968




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[WISPA] GPON

[Tim Densmore]

Hi Folks,

Has anyone deployed the ubnt GPON solution, and are they happy with it? 
If not, what are folks using for GPON?  We've been using zhone gear, and
while it has been reasonably solid, the management interface could be
better, so we're looking for other options.

Thanks for any info,

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Re: [WISPA] Source for Fortigate reseller

[Tim]

Patrick a WISPA member squarecomputer.On May 13, 2017 12:06 PM, Leon Zetekoff  wrote:
when I was at Windstream,  FOrtinet was their FW of choice.
  PAETEC was just integrated into Windstream (where I came from) and
  we used Watchguards. Having been trained on both, the problem with
  the Fortinets, IMHO, is the inconsistency between CPE and Cloud
  interfaces. ALso, everything is done in the browser and its very
  clunky and confusing at times. WG has a client (even though they
  are slowly trying to go to a browser based client) but the
  interface in the client is consistent across the product lines.
  Also, there is an inconsistency on the Fortinet when using the
  interface on the device itself versus the management system. One
  other item was some things could only be done in the CLI.
Having said that,  when I was in the Security Operations Center
  of Windstream, I wrote the following three papers distributed to
  our team internally:


  o   
Duplicated Networks with Fortinet
firewalls and Remote
VPN dialups
  o   
Social Networks and Fortigate Web
Filters
  o   
Fortigate Site-2-Site VPNs with
Meraki Remote Peer

I agree the Mikrotik firewall is not something I would use since
  it has no UTM and i find it confusing. Also to define a simple
  rule to do BOTH TCP and UDP, for example, you have to create
  multiple rules. On WG and Fortinet it is much easier.
THe Fortinet HA works very well as I did configure a few of those
  when I was there. I am also not a CISCO fan but have to deal with
  them.
FWIW, I am a WG reseller. 

Leon


On 5/13/2017 11:19 AM, Mike Francis
  wrote:


  
  It is not Cisco or Sonicwall! The list is long. For us we have
always been a Cisco & Mikrotik shop, but felt we were
messing  a piece of the security and firewall business. Mikoritk
has a great firewall, but it is not active o what you would
consider an Enterprise firewall. Cisco has a great firewall, but
it is expensive and complex. 
  
  We got involved with Fortinet through a client who needed
support for several hundred units. Once we started dealing with
Fortinet we quickly realized how powerful what they have built
really is. The Unified Threat Management is very advanced and
very scalable. There are several pieces that make it a  true
Enterprise solution like the Forti-manger, the Forti-analyzer
etc. On top of that the Next Gen, IPS, VPN forwarding and
processing is very impressive, and so are the management, the
Virtual Domain, the HA config, the Clustering technology and so
on. We also do a lot of virtual routing and their Fortigate-VM
is very nice too. There is a reason these guys are growing so
fast and are on the top of every security vendor list out there.
  Another thing is that they really vet their partners. One thing
that I have noticed in the security industry is that if a IT
guys says he/she is using a sonicwall, that is a potential red
flag.  +80% of the time they have no idea what they are doing.
When someone says they are a Fortinet Partner, they have been
through the proper training, been vetted and it is much more
likely you are talking to someone who knows what they are doing.
  Thank you,
  
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What's some of the selling points with Fortigate?
  
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Re: [WISPA] New NEC rule it may hurt WISPs

[Tim Cailloux]

What's the differentiation for CATV?  Are they assuming it's analog?
There are very few 100% analog CATV systems left, and they're going
away.  So, even they'll have a Set-Top Box connected to coax and AC
power at the same time.  Then what's the distinction between that and
having the analog CATV connected to my TV instead of the STB?  What's
the line that distinguishes CATV from what we do?  If it's power sent up
the cable, then that impacts any satellite provider.
So, Dish/AT&T/Comcast/Cox/Charter are going to have all their installers
certified become electricians?
It's what the state inspector says, but...  If that's their
interpretation, I expect their lobbying to kick into full force to get
the rules changed.
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On Fri, May 12, 2017, at 13:32, Mitch wrote:
> Just got off the phone with our local State Inspector


> His take is if the device is outside and NOT getting power


> from inside the property it is located at then it is exempt (such as> telco 
> and CATV).


> If the outdoor device gets power from inside the property


> then it is NOT exempt.


> This is how I read it


> Mitch


> 


> 


> 
> On 05/12/2017 11:16 AM, garrettshan...@vabb.com wrote:
>> 
>> Considering V.A. doesn't have a separate certification for low
>> voltage, I  certainly hope we're excluded. It would be difficult to
>> get all of our technicians though a 3 year apprenticeship as required
>> by law for a full certification.>> 
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: "Matt Hoppes"
>>  Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017
>> 12:10pm To: "WISPA General List"  Subject: Re:
>> [WISPA] New NEC rule it may hurt WISPs>> Ummm. We are exclusively  excluded. 
>> You even highlighted it. 
>>
>> On May 12, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Mitch
>>  wrote:>>> Looks like all installers will have to 
>> be licensed Electricians for
>>> everything and anything that connects to a power source Am I
>>> reading wrong?
>>>
>>>>>> NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE
>>>  
>>> 90.2 Scope.
>>> (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of
>>> electrical conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and
>>> communications conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical
>>> fiber cables and raceways for the following:>>> (1) Public and private 
>>> premises, including buildings, structures,
>>> mobile homes, recreational vehicles, and floating buildings>>> (2) 
>>> Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial substations>>> (3) 
>>> Installations of conductors and equipment that connect to the
>>> supply of electricity>>> (4) Installations used by the electric 
>>> utility, such as office
>>> buildings, warehouses, garages, machine shops, and recreational
>>> buildings, that are not an integral part of a generating plant,
>>> substation, or control center>>> *(B) Not Covered. This Code does not 
>>> cover the following:*
>>> (1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than floating
>>> buildings, railway rolling stock, aircraft, or automotive
>>> vehicles other than mobile homes and recreational vehicles>>> 
>>> Informational Note: Although the scope of this Code indicates that
>>> the Code does not cover installations in ships, portions of this
>>> Code are incorporated by reference into Title 46, Code of>>> Federal 
>>> Regulations, Parts 110–113.
>>> (2) Installations underground in mines and self-propelled mobile
>>> surface mining machinery and its attendant electrical trailing
>>> cable>>> (3) Installations of railways for generation, transformation,
>>> transmission, energy storage, or distribution of power used
>>> exclusively for operation of rolling stock or installations used
>>> exclusively for signaling and communications purposes>>> *(4) 
>>> Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive
>>> control of communications utilities located outdoors or in building
>>> spaces used exclusively for such installations*>>> (5) Installations under 
>>> the exclusive control of an electric utility
>>> where such installations>>> a. Consist of service drops or service 
>>> laterals, and associated
>>>metering, or>>> b. Are on property owned or leased by the electric 
>>> utility 

Re: [WISPA] Query to the group

[Tim Cailloux]

I thought Apple pretty well pissed on this concept of user tracking (at
least with iPhone users) by psuedo-randomizing the MAC when scanning for
WiFi networks?  I never paid enough attention to how well it worked, but
I saw it as a pretty big anti-tracking feature.
(Not sure about Android.  I never had an Android phone I liked.  They
exist, I'm sure, but I had bad luck.)
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On Thu, May 11, 2017, at 17:19, Nick Bright wrote:
> It's a widely used strategy in hotspot markets and large retail
> chains to track movement within facilities. Since the data is all
> anonymized, there's not any serious privacy issues; but the potential
> for abuse is there.> 
>  We do utilize a similar system in one of our wifi projects, to
>  provide the city with analytic data on their down town area; it
>  provides them with information that helps with chamber of commerce
>  initiatives, public safety planning, and festival analytic data.
>  When used responsibly, this anonymized data does not pose any
>  privacy risk.> 
>  However, I do have say that the domain that original email was sent
>  from does seem dubious - it goes to a link farm landing page. It
>  makes me wonder "Who is really asking, and what is their real
>  motivation?"> 
>  On 5/11/2017 2:11 PM, garrettshan...@vabb.com wrote:
>> 
>> Jokes aside:


>> 
>>  


>>   That sounds too "gray area" for my liking personally. While it's
>>   all "technically" legal but still pushes some ethical issues with
>>   potential collection of MAC addresses from unwitting parties.>>  


>>  Not that Lowe's and Target have any trouble with similar techniques.>>  


>>
>>  -Original Message- From: "Jan-OOLLC"
>>   Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:48pm To:
>>  wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Query to the group>> Maybe he owns 
>> a donut store?


>> Jan V


>> On 05/11/2017 05:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> 
>>> "FBI Surveilance [sic] Van 7"?
>>> 
>>>  ;-)
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[1]
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange[2]
>>>
>>> The Brothers WISP[3]>>> 
>>> *From: *"Chris Stradtman" 
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List"  *Sent: *Thursday,
>>> May 11, 2017 1:04:41 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Query to the group
>>>>>> Hi Everyone, 
>>> I'm looking to this group to feel out the feasibility of an idea.
>>> I'm working with a project that is looking at doing a sort of
>>> "analytics".  One of the possible things this would involve would>>> be 
>>> paying WISPs to collect data on a particular SSID (this SSID
>>> would be controlled by the project I'm working with, so this isn't
>>> going into>>> any gray privacy grounds).  The group would want to get the 
>>> content
>>> of the beacons seen with this particular SSID(s).  It could either
>>> be done through>>> vendor equipment that would support it, or it could be 
>>> done via a
>>> passive probe colocated with the WISP's gear.>>> I thought I would float 
>>> this idea out to the group to see how it is
>>> received.>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Chris Stradtman
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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

[Tim Way]

Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity increases.

On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor"  wrote:

> So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are saying you
> would charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost of their statics would
> then cost more than the actual service?
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope  wrote:
>
>> We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP addresses.  This has
>> been our pricing for 10+ years.
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Network and Operations Officer
>> Arbuckle Communications, LLC
>> Office: 580-226-1234 <(580)%20226-1234>
>> Mobile: 580-277-1108 <(580)%20277-1108>
>> sp...@arbucklecomm.com
>> www.arbucklecomm.com
>>
>> *"We Are Built For Business"*
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net <
>> t...@byhalia.net> wrote:
>>
>>> $5/month/IP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Judd Dare 
>>> Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing
>>>
>>> Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.
>>>
>>> I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial
>>> in order to only sell to people who really need it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?

 Comcast Business class cable internet charges
  *1 - $14.95/mo.*
 * 5 - $19.95/mo*
 * 13 - $34.95/mo*.

 What do fiber providers charge?

 I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current
 provider, and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.

 We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.

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Re: [WISPA] Ping monitoring?

[Tim Way]

Are you able to provide any background as to what your goal is? What are
you looking to accomplish?

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> I can't get smokeping to send a ping say every second and only one each
> time. Any alternatives or suggestions?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
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[WISPA] Service Check for Elkhorn, WI

[Tim Way]

Is anyone able to provide service for W3945 Bray Road, Elkhorn, WI 53121?

If so please contact me off list.

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Facebook ads

[Tim Reichhart]

They dont work for me I have tried it for about 2 weeks I only got maybe 5 or 6 
calls off of it.




-Original Message-
From: "Terry Darst" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: 01/19/17 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Facebook ads

We have done a couple and they work really well. $20 for two weeks a 20 mile 
radius. 
  

Terry Darst
President
ANTS-Technology Inc.
1105 E. Moore Ave 
Terrell, TX 75160
te...@ants-technology.com 
Office: (972) 524-2145 Ext. 2145
Cell: (214) 878-2145
www.ANTS-Technology.com



 
 


On Jan 19, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Adair Winter  wrote:
 Facebook add are huge for us. Evan Galvin would be your man to put something 
together for you.
 
On Jan 19, 2017 9:03 AM, "David Funderburk"  wrote:
 
If you are or know of a WISP/ISP who has successfully used Facebook ads, would 
you please send me some links to it? We are going to give it a try but wanted 
to see what others have done in our industry.
Thanks 
David Funderburk
GlobalVision
864-569-0703 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Charge for remote thermostat?

[Tim Way]

For those markets where this would be appealing it may be very cost
effective to limit the pipe greatly 512kbps / 512kbps or maybe even 256kbps
/ 256kbps to provide a service and revenue that you may have lost otherwise
even if it is $5 or $10 / month.

I know for years my Dad used a device that used the land-line at our cabin
to call our house and play a recorded message when / if the temperature
dropped below a certain temperature. A low tech solution for a less
complicated time...

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Stuart Pierce  wrote:

> Dish Networks will actually let you keep the equipment at your house for
> $5 for service suspension
>
>
> On Tue, January 17, 2017 10:24 am, Chris Fabien wrote:
> > You want internet connected devices to work, you have to keep paying for
> > your internet right? I don't know of any provider who has a super-slow
> > plan for thermostats. I would tell them pay the normal rate, $50/mo is a
> > LOT
> > cheaper than a broken pipe right?
> >
> > We do offer "vacation hold" for $5/mo but that is service not active,
> > just lets the equipment stay at the house.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Jon Langeler
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Customer wants to have control of their thermostat and heading south
> >> for 3-6 months. I'm guessing they want a $5/mo connection. Suggestions
> >> on how to handle or charge for this?
> >>
> >> Jon Langeler
> >> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Going Rate for Smaller Structures

[Tim]

Cell companies are subsidized you are not.Foot print smaller.Small tower can not support size of cell phone equipmentGround food print smallElectrical usage pennies verse $1k per month.  Many cell rents at $2.5 k pay electric.  Most cell leases lately for footprint tower is under $200.Walk away if expectation is not realisticWe have 138 locations less then $5k annual rent.  140 free internet subs. Pennies.Believe in your value.On Jan 11, 2017 7:54 PM, lakeland  wrote:Go by square footage.  Your footprint is much smaller than a cell provider...Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Seth Mattinen  Date: 1/11/17  7:32 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Going Rate for Smaller Structures On 1/11/17 15:56, Tim wrote:> Free internet> Warranty on all equipment>> Would not do a per sub.  The trust factor is to high risk.>>How do you guys handle people that have been poisoned by what cell companies pay? Like if someone says they need at least $2,500/mo from you because that's what they would get from Verizon/AT&T/Sprint. I usually want to say if a cell company wanted to be at your site they probably would have by now, but I say something like they have a bigger subscriber base than we do and we're only looking to target X customers in this area vs. thousands of mobile devices.~Seth___Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless___
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Re: [WISPA] Going Rate for Smaller Structures

[Tim]

Free internetWarranty on all equipmentWould not do a per sub.  The trust factor is to high risk.On Jan 11, 2017 6:42 PM, Daniel Peoples  wrote:Free internet. If it grows and gets a bunch of subs on it, then some money.Daniel PeoplesResonance BroadbandResonancebroadband.com918-429-3620
On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 2:59 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:From free internet to maybe $500 if it's an extremely desirable site. On Jan 11, 2017 12:56 PM, "Sam Morris"  wrote:Without giving away any proprietary or sensitive information, can you
give me an idea of what you'd expect to pay for tower rent for a
structure that's between something like 50ft - 70ft tall where you would
place two PtP dishes, and two PtMP radios (i.e. two PMP 450i APs and two
PTP 650 backhauls), and a NEMA box at the base to hold your
router/switch? I know that leaves some variables, but just a ballpark
for what the going rate is in your neck of the woods.

Thanks,
Sam

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Re: [WISPA] The Cord Cutting Sales Pitch

[Tim Reichhart]

Maybe you should look for like realchoice tv you can use roku boxes on this 
setup.


-Original Message-
From: "Martha Huizenga" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: 01/02/17 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Cord Cutting Sales Pitch

We are promoting cutting the cord and streaming. So many people in our area 
don't like the cable company or don't want dish. We do OTA installations for 
$199 and then $99 plus tax for the antenna (this includes other equipment as 
well). We are doing probably 5 a month if not more. We do them stand alone or 
with our Internet. If someone installs internet and TV at the same time they 
get a $50 discount off the entire install.  We have people we do installs for 
who have an antenna already, they get a $50 discount for the antenna, so they 
still pay $49 plus tax for other accessories.

We will help set up the streaming device and we recommend only streaming 
devices with an ethernet port - just too much wireless interference in DC to 
use a stick.

Here is the page on our website about cutting the cord: 
http://www.dcaccess.net/how-to-cut-the-cord/ and about our TV install: 
http://www.dcaccess.net/free-tv-dc/

Martha
DC Access



On 12/27/2016 9:22 AM, Mike Meluskey wrote:
 
With Sling TV, Roku, Netflix, AppleTV, Fire, etc.  I don't see a way to compete 
with the wave of content that is being offered by doing our own IPTV solution.
Here is a website we put together, but have not actively promoted (yet):


http://cutthecord.vi/

 

On Dec 27, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
 We have several areas where we will soon have FTTH or 50Mbps+ Wireless 
available and feel we are capable of competing against the cable company on 
speed/price for Internet service. It seems like some portion of current cable 
customer would be resistant to change without us being able to provide their TV 
service. 

We have been evaluating two IPTV service offerings and just don't feel like 
they are going to be profitable or a good business line to invest in long term. 
 Interested in feedback but between the slim margins, setup costs, ongoing 
support, and the transport or transit that would be required it seems 
break-even would be a best case. I know it would probably win us more internet 
customers but not sure it would be enough to be worthwhile. 


We have done satellite TV  sales in the past and I don't want to get back into 
that either. 


I am curious if any of you are actively marketing or encouraging streaming to 
try to make cord cutting part of your sales pitch. We are even considering 
giving one of the $30 Roku players along with installation. I am curious how 
you are marketing this and how much support you offer to people on the 
streaming side. Like most rural areas we have a large number of not very tech 
savvy users.


Also curious about installing OTA TV antenna as an additional service at 
installation. Anyone doing that and how is that working out?


Thanks
Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


 
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Re: [WISPA] MDU Ethernet Switch

[Tim Way]

They come in all shapes and sizes.

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/switches/catalyst-3750-series-switches/models-comparison.html

You can find used 24 port ones cheap on eBay or surplus as others have
suggested. There are compact 8/12/16 port models but they typically use
different chipsets so I shy away from us in them.

If you need a good 10/40gb capable fiber switch the 3850-xs work great.
They have a pretty nice complement of features to include neat stuff like
on device packet capture with IP Services and you can buy support for them
from TAC if that wets your whistle.

On Nov 2, 2016 3:52 PM, "Colton Conor"  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Isn't a Cisco 3750 switch a 24 or 48 port switch? I would think that would
> be overkill since I only need 4 to 8 ports?
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Mike Francis 
> wrote:
>
>> We have  ton of MDUs, Cisco 3750 switches.
>> John Michael Francis II
>> JMF Solutions, Inc
>> Wavefly - Internet Voip Cloud
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>> CRN Fast Growth #105
>> 251-517-5069
>> http://jmfsolutions.net
>> http://wavefly.com
>>
>> "People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them anyway.
>> If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do good anyway.
>> If you are successful, you may win false friends and true enemies. Succeed
>> anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway.
>> Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable. Be honest and transparent
>> anyway. What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight. Build
>> anyway. People who really want help may attack you if you help them. Help
>> them anyway. Give the world the best you have and you may get hurt. Give
>> the world your best anyway." By: Mother Teresa
>> On 11/2/2016 1:43 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
>>
>> I am in need of a recommendation for a small Ethernet switch for an MDU
>> applications. This is a garden style community where each building has
>> between 4 to 8 units inside of the building. There are 15  buildings on the
>> property. We would run a new CAT6 drop from a central point in the building
>> to each unit. This central point would either be in the attic, or on the
>> side of the exterior wall in some type of enclosure.
>>
>>  Then we would run fiber uplink from each building's switch to a headend
>> room. The headend room would have the aggergation fiber switch, a router,
>> and an uplink to the internet.
>>
>> We would hand a copper Ethernet hand off to the client in a unit, and
>> then the could use whatever router they wanted, or plug their computer in
>> directly to the wall.
>>
>> I think all I need is a switch per building (not a router), and ideally
>> this switch needs to have:
>>
>> - At Least 1 SFP fiber uplink port. 2 would be nice for daisy chaining,
>> but not required.
>> - 4 to 8 Copper Gigabit Ports. I don't need POE output power on these
>> ports.
>> - SNMP For remote monitoring
>> - CLI or some sort of web based remote management
>> - Temperature Hardened or able to be in a hot attic
>> - Some sort of L2 port isolation or private vlans where other subscribers
>> can see each other. All traffic goes in and out of uplink
>> - Rate limiting for each individual port
>> - Full duplex speed and wireline switching is preferred.
>> - We be nice to be remotely powered using PoE in, but not required. Might
>> be hard however to get power to the attic or side of building.
>>
>>
>> So far, options that come to mind are:
>>
>> https://routerboard.com/RB260GS for $36. Looks like a good option, but
>> not sure about SwitchOS. Worried Mikrotik won't continue to improve
>> switchOS. Feature set seems limited. Not sure about port isolation options?
>> Says it support Poe-In for power. Temp range looks good. No CLI.
>>
>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-x-sfp/ $72. Double the price of
>> the Mikrotik. OS seems more robust. Seem more like a router than switch so
>> might be overkill for application. NO Poe-IN power option, but could I used
>> a passive poe injector to still power it remotely?
>>
>> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ The EP-R6 is about $105. Looks
>> like its basically the edgerouter-x-sfp but in an outdoor case, and this
>> model supports PoE Input. This smaller unit doesn't seem to have any fiber
>> slack management like the other units in the edgepoint lineup. Includes POE
>> injector to power unit.
>>
>> I was thinking maybe a GPON ONT per building that has 4 to 8 Ethernet
>> ports on it. However, there are no small GPON OLTs out there. Plus, most
>> outdoor ONT's are like $250+ each.
>>
>>
>> What else is out there? I would say price range would be sub $200 per
>> building max.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] IPV6 again?!?

[Tim Way]

Make sure the prefix is in the routing table of the issuing mikrotik. make
sure the PC you're pinging from passes through a router that contains the
issue route.

I assume the issuing mikrotik and "office router" are the same in this
instance?

Tim

On Nov 1, 2016 3:51 PM, "Art Stephens"  wrote:

>

> OK.. so we can not use static addressing then...
>
> So I programmed a Mikrotik to do DHCP-PD and connected it to our server
network.
> [admin@MikroTik] /ipv6 dhcp-server> pr
> Flags: D - dynamic, X - disabled, I - invalid
>  #NAME   INTERFACE ADDRESS-POOL PREFERENCE
LEASE-TIME
>  0server1ether2pool1   255 3d

> Flags: D - dynamic
>  #   NAMEPREFIX  PRE
EXPIRES-AFTER
>  0   pool1   ::3::/60 64
>
>
> I gave that Mikrotik an address in the IPV6 address space.
> [admin@MikroTik] /ipv6 address> pr
> Flags: X - disabled, I - invalid, D - dynamic, G - global, L - link-local
>  #ADDRESS FROM-POOL INTERFACE
ADVERTISE
>  0  G ::0:32::77/64 ether2
 yes
>  1 DL fe80::20c:42ff:fe20:caa7/64   ether3
 no
>  2 DL fe80::20c:42ff:fe20:caa6/64   ether2
 no
>
> I can ping from ::0:32::77 from our office router
(::0:32::32)
> I can not ping ::0:32::77from my office desk which can ping other
addresses on that network.
>
> And when I set the customer ASUS router to native IPV6 DHCP-PD enabled
and plug it into the server network.
> Nothing happens.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Tim Way  wrote:

>>

>> Art,
>>
>> Are you talking about the DHCPv6-PD allocation ranged I talked about? If
so those prefixes are intentionally different than what would be present in
the routing table. Those prefixes would normally be injected into the tower
agent by the router performing DHCP relaying and / or the DHCPv6-PD server.
If you are just labbing add the customer prefix to to the router where
appropriate.
>>
>> As far as routing protocols you will only be able to use EIGRP, OSPF,
RIPv6 and BGP.
>>
>> You likely want the relay agent, tower router, to learn the routes. In
Cisco land you have to tell the router to snoop on the DHCP packet it
relays and to inject the route.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2016 6:03 PM, "Art Stephens"  wrote:

>>>

>>> So the only IPV6 routing I can get to work is with Mikrotik/Cisco using
OSPFv3 only.
>>>
>>> Directly plugged into the IPV6 network with a PC both physical and
virtual works.
>>>
>>> But when I try to static setup IPV6 on a router as if I was a customer
no luck.
>>>
>>> I have tried Netgear, ASUS, Linksys and Mikrotik. No routing thru the
router.
>>>
>>> The closest that came to working was the Mikrotik.
>>> Can only ping directly connected devices though.
>>> I can ping the gateway and dns server from the Mikrotik router but I
can not ping from the customer PC behind the Mikrotik router. This is the
same PC that works if I plug directly in.
>>>
>>> IPV6 Things do not appear to work as advertised when it comes to static
configs.
>>>
>>> Is it just me or is anyone else running into this?
>>> If you solved it care to share?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> PO Box 135
>>> 24001 E Mission Suite 50
>>> Liberty Lake, WA 99019
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Re: [WISPA] IPV6 again?!?

[Tim Way]

Right only offered static to get him going in a lab setting to control
variables and build his way up to a functional deployment.

On Oct 28, 2016 6:52 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

Don't do static facing customers. You'll want prefix delegation.



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*Subject: *[WISPA] IPV6 again?!?


So the only IPV6 routing I can get to work is with Mikrotik/Cisco using
OSPFv3 only.

Directly plugged into the IPV6 network with a PC both physical and virtual
works.

But when I try to static setup IPV6 on a router as if I was a customer no
luck.

I have tried Netgear, ASUS, Linksys and Mikrotik. No routing thru the
router.

The closest that came to working was the Mikrotik.
Can only ping directly connected devices though.
I can ping the gateway and dns server from the Mikrotik router but I can
not ping from the customer PC behind the Mikrotik router. This is the same
PC that works if I plug directly in.

IPV6 Things do not appear to work as advertised when it comes to static
configs.

Is it just me or is anyone else running into this?
If you solved it care to share?



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Re: [WISPA] IPV6 again?!?

[Tim Way]

Art,

Are you talking about the DHCPv6-PD allocation ranged I talked about? If so
those prefixes are intentionally different than what would be present in
the routing table. Those prefixes would normally be injected into the tower
agent by the router performing DHCP relaying and / or the DHCPv6-PD server.
If you are just labbing add the customer prefix to to the router where
appropriate.

As far as routing protocols you will only be able to use EIGRP, OSPF, RIPv6
and BGP.

You likely want the relay agent, tower router, to learn the routes. In
Cisco land you have to tell the router to snoop on the DHCP packet it
relays and to inject the route.

Tim

On Oct 28, 2016 6:03 PM, "Art Stephens"  wrote:

> So the only IPV6 routing I can get to work is with Mikrotik/Cisco using
> OSPFv3 only.
>
> Directly plugged into the IPV6 network with a PC both physical and virtual
> works.
>
> But when I try to static setup IPV6 on a router as if I was a customer no
> luck.
>
> I have tried Netgear, ASUS, Linksys and Mikrotik. No routing thru the
> router.
>
> The closest that came to working was the Mikrotik.
> Can only ping directly connected devices though.
> I can ping the gateway and dns server from the Mikrotik router but I can
> not ping from the customer PC behind the Mikrotik router. This is the same
> PC that works if I plug directly in.
>
> IPV6 Things do not appear to work as advertised when it comes to static
> configs.
>
> Is it just me or is anyone else running into this?
> If you solved it care to share?
>
>
>
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> Ptera Inc.
> PO Box 135
> 24001 E Mission Suite 50
> Liberty Lake, WA 99019
> 509-927-7837
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Re: [WISPA] IPV6 deploymernt

[Tim Way]

Art,

So I know of two solid methods that could solve your problem. Neither are
super awesome and both would involve NAT.

1. IPv6 only to the client with NAT64 and DNS64 to handle IPv4 only
connectivity
2. IPv4 CGN Shared Address Space, RFC 6598 100.64.0.0/10, and IPv6 Global
Unicast running in Dual Stack

Either one would work. I apologize in advance for the long post that
follows.

I've only done the configurations on Cisco routers with the radios just
passing traffic at layer 2. I'd have to check the feature set of your
routers routing wise but it shouldn't be hard. It also could be built in a
lab with static routing largely. I think Mikrotik supports NAT64 but again
for a lab environment any recent Cisco device could be used with IP
Services licensing.

Your address plan for your global unicast IPv6 space comes into play. This
is how I would lab it up including moving routing to the tower with the CPE
in bridge mode:

Your fictional IPv6 prefix: :::/32

Your NAT64 Prefix: ::cc00::/96

Customer DHCPv6-PD Allocation Prefix: ::aa00::/40
Your fictional customer #1: The Johnson Family, ::aa00:0100::/56
Your fictional customer #2: The Billings' Family, ::aa00:0200::/56

Fictional Tower 1
ISP Mgmt VLAN of CPE: 11, ::bb00:0011::/64
ISP Customer VLAN of CPE: 12, ::bb00:0012::/64
ISP Router at the tower on VLAN 11: ::bb00:0011::1/64
ISP Router at the tower on VLAN 12: ::bb00:0012::1/64

The Johnson Family Setup:
ISP CPE VLAN 11 IP: ::bb00:0011::f/64
Customer's Netgear WAN Interface: ::bb00:0012::f/64
Customer's Netgear LAN Interface: ::aa00:010a::1/64
Customer's Netgear Guest WiFi: ::aa00:010b::1/64

The Billings' Family Setup:
ISP CPE VLAN 11 IP: ::bb00:0011::e/64
Customer's Netgear WAN Interface: ::bb00:0012::e/64
Customer's Netgear LAN Interface: ::aa00:020a::1/64
Customer's Netgear Guest WiFi: ::aa00:020b::1/64

1. You'd bridge VLAN 12 through the CPE to customer's WAN interface as the
native VLAN and put the IP on VLAN 11.
2. If you use static routing and manual address assignment to eliminate
variables in the lab you'll want to add static routes on the tower router
for the ::/56 prefixes that would be allocated to each customer. Normally
these routes will be injected into the routing table at the DHCPv6 router
and could be distributed from there.
3. The last piece of the puzzle will be adding in the NAT64 and DNS64
devices. BIND can do DNS64 and you could use a Cisco router to do the
NAT64. You'd want the "Customer's Netgear" to use the DNS64 server as it's
upstream DNS server to ensure that it receives  records for sites that
only have A records. This is the fragile component of the DNS64 and NAT64
deployment because it requires the customers computer or router uses your
resolver. You will want to ensure the router performing NAT64 is
advertising the prefix it is using for NAT64 into your IGP or that your
default routed traffic lands on that NAT64 to ensure it is routed correctly.

This should get you a functional IPv6 only customer network that only
returns  records for all DNS requests. It's a little late so I
apologize for any mistakes in the addressing. Also I will think about doing
this with routing at the CPE as well overnight and add that response. I'd
be very intrigued to see this in a lab environment with the fictional
customers all setup to see how NAT64 and DNS64 actually works in reality
instead of just implementing CGN which I see as the less visible or
resilient change for the customer. That said I see the pure IPv6 deployment
with NAT64 and DNS64 as the better long term solution if you could reliably
ensure your customers use your DHCP server or ensure that your tech support
says to reset that right away. It also would break a customer using OpenDNS
to restrict web-sites from their kid's for example.

Thanks,

Tim

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Art Stephens  wrote:

> Tim,
>
> So we are an IPV4 ISP not able to get any more IPV4 address space. We have
> IPV6 working in office, and on server network.
> I have working windows and linux IPV6 only configured machines but
> obviously they can only access IPV6 capable web sites and such.
>
> But we will need to start assigning IPV6 WAN address to customer routers
> and UBNT radios in radio router mode when we get a CRM that supports IPV6.
> I am a little aware of NAT64 but all my googling for NAT64 applications
> yields NAT64 for networks with Public address on one side and private
> addresses on the other.
> We try to keep all of our network WAN on public addresses.
>
> So far I have tried three so called ipv6 ready routers and could get none
> of them to work with static IPV6 addressing.
>
> Hope that explains what you are looking 

Re: [WISPA] IPV6 deploymernt

[Tim Way]

Dual stack is a different architecture than having two separate networks
running with one running IPv4 and one running IPv6. To connect the two
disparate networks you would need to perform address family translation
(NAT64). In dual-stack it will prefer IPv6 when available, minus happy
eyeballs, but otherwise has legs or transit via both protocols to access
the necessary resource if it is either IPv4 or IPv6.

To start I would ask to clarify what you are trying to do and I'd be happy
to help in anyway I can. I'm a bit of an IPv6 crazy.

Tim

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Art Stephens  wrote:

> Any out there successfully deployed dual stack network can share what
> equipment used for pure ipv6 access to ipv4 networks?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Network/infrastructure design for WISP's

[Tim]

We deployed for the last 10 years using fixed IP schemas per tower

Allocating IP addresses from a fixed pool (not dhcp)

Firewall rules locking out unassigned IP addresses

Plus we do 99% managed routers



However we are reevaluating PPOE with redundant radius servers that have 
geographic separation.  With an addition of Mac address authentication



From: Ian Fraser [mailto:ian_fra...@gozoom.ca]
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 5:32 PM
To: Tim ; WISPA General List 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network/infrastructure design for WISP's



OK.  What's your alternative?



Ian



 Original message ----
From: Tim mailto:t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com> >
Date:10-21-2016 10:21 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Cc:
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network/infrastructure design for WISP's

Not a fan of ppoe.



Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID



Tim Way mailto:t...@way.vg> > wrote:

2k12r2 ha DHCP service, Linux clustering or simple dual scopes!



On Oct 21, 2016 6:16 PM, "Adair Winter" mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

What happens when DHCP quits and you can't manage anything?

Powercode assigns the next available management IP for whatever tower/range and 
we statically assign to the CPE



On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Ian Fraser mailto:ian_fra...@gozoom.ca> > wrote:

Not sure how static would be safer than DHCP for CPE mgmt?



Ian



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From: Fred Goldstein mailto:f...@interisle.net> >
Date:10-21-2016 6:31 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
Cc:
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network/infrastructure design for WISP's

On 10/21/2016 5:55 PM, Ian Fraser wrote:
>
>
> PPPOE for Res traffic. VLAN's for Biz. Public IP's are statically
> assigned.  DHCP for CPE's MgMt IP assignment.  PPPOE session and CPE's
> connection to the AP authenticated by Radius. Radius Accounting  is
> used for traffic billing and session info.
>

Wouldn't it be safer to use static IPs for CPE management? I'd do that,
private IPs of course on a management VLAN not visible to customers.

> Per site: 2 VLANs for MgMt (1 for Tower/AP/UPS etc and 1 for CPEs) and
> 1 VLAN per AP for PPPOE or a dedicated VLAN per Biz. AP's are bridged
> for CPE's PPPOE to NAS.  uPnP enabled CPEs. Cust Routers are not
> allowed to initiate PPPOE.  PPPOE NAS's are mostly colocated tower
> sites so that backhauls can see QOS markers on traffic and not just a
> Tunnel.
>
> BGP Advertises IP range per Fibre POP and feeds 0.0.0.0/0 <http://0.0.0.0/0>  
> into OSPF
> for redistributing routes inside the AS.  Infrastructure MgMt is on
> RFC1918 and customers are Public IPs.  Firewall rules on
> NAS/Router/CPE prevent Customer IP's from reaching MgMt IP's.
>
Nice if you have enough public IPs for customers. I'm not sure BGP and
PPPOE are necessarily the easiest protocols for this purpose, but
definitely do use the VLANs and keep the routing out of the radios.

> Mikrotik for all routing.  Netonix for most switching. Mikrotik for
> most PtMP (probably uncommon) but LTE is Telrad in areas where it is
> deployed, which skews the above architecture a bit :(  LTE is not for
> newbies though mind you maybe Mikrotik isn't either lol...  but in
> 13 years I've never been floored by a virus "infecting" my gear ;-)
>
You can't do 5 GHz with MikroTik in the US; they don't have valid FCC
approval any more. Not that they admit it, but the US isn't a big market
for them. The wireless design itself has to be based on the local
terrain, clutter (trees, etc.), subscriber density, and other conditions.

You do want a nice SNMP monitoring system that allows you to pull
whatever parameters you want out of the MIB, not one that charges per
line item (like PRTG) or that only pulls a few selected details. I do
enjoy the detail I can get out of InterMapper, for instance. Where are
you (or your planned network) located, Jordan?

> Cheers,
>
> Ian
>
>
>> On 10/21/2016 3:07 PM, Jordan de Geus wrote:
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> I'm very new to the WISP industry and I've been curious to know how
>>> people are designing their WISP networks.
>>>
>>> Are you creating VLAN's for each connection point? So your backhauls
>>> are all in one VLAN, while all AP to client connections are in
>>> another VLAN?
>>>
>>> I had been thinking about how the above VLAN based design would be,
>>> in terms of security, and I realized that if all CPE's were in one
>>> VLAN together, wouldn't they be able to cross communicate? So an AP
>>> with 30 clients operating in VLANX, would essentially be able to

Re: [WISPA] Network/infrastructure design for WISP's

[Tim]

Not a fan of ppoe. 

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Re: [WISPA] Network/infrastructure design for WISP's

[Tim Way]

2k12r2 ha DHCP service, Linux clustering or simple dual scopes!

On Oct 21, 2016 6:16 PM, "Adair Winter"  wrote:

> What happens when DHCP quits and you can't manage anything?
> Powercode assigns the next available management IP for whatever
> tower/range and we statically assign to the CPE
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Ian Fraser  wrote:
>
>> Not sure how static would be safer than DHCP for CPE mgmt?
>>
>> Ian
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Fred Goldstein 
>> Date:10-21-2016 6:31 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Cc:
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network/infrastructure design for WISP's
>>
>> On 10/21/2016 5:55 PM, Ian Fraser wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > PPPOE for Res traffic. VLAN's for Biz. Public IP's are statically
>> > assigned.  DHCP for CPE's MgMt IP assignment.  PPPOE session and CPE's
>> > connection to the AP authenticated by Radius. Radius Accounting  is
>> > used for traffic billing and session info.
>> >
>>
>> Wouldn't it be safer to use static IPs for CPE management? I'd do that,
>> private IPs of course on a management VLAN not visible to customers.
>>
>> > Per site: 2 VLANs for MgMt (1 for Tower/AP/UPS etc and 1 for CPEs) and
>> > 1 VLAN per AP for PPPOE or a dedicated VLAN per Biz. AP's are bridged
>> > for CPE's PPPOE to NAS.  uPnP enabled CPEs. Cust Routers are not
>> > allowed to initiate PPPOE.  PPPOE NAS's are mostly colocated tower
>> > sites so that backhauls can see QOS markers on traffic and not just a
>> > Tunnel.
>> >
>> > BGP Advertises IP range per Fibre POP and feeds 0.0.0.0/0 into OSPF
>> > for redistributing routes inside the AS.  Infrastructure MgMt is on
>> > RFC1918 and customers are Public IPs.  Firewall rules on
>> > NAS/Router/CPE prevent Customer IP's from reaching MgMt IP's.
>> >
>> Nice if you have enough public IPs for customers. I'm not sure BGP and
>> PPPOE are necessarily the easiest protocols for this purpose, but
>> definitely do use the VLANs and keep the routing out of the radios.
>>
>> > Mikrotik for all routing.  Netonix for most switching. Mikrotik for
>> > most PtMP (probably uncommon) but LTE is Telrad in areas where it is
>> > deployed, which skews the above architecture a bit :(  LTE is not for
>> > newbies though mind you maybe Mikrotik isn't either lol...  but in
>> > 13 years I've never been floored by a virus "infecting" my gear ;-)
>> >
>> You can't do 5 GHz with MikroTik in the US; they don't have valid FCC
>> approval any more. Not that they admit it, but the US isn't a big market
>> for them. The wireless design itself has to be based on the local
>> terrain, clutter (trees, etc.), subscriber density, and other conditions.
>>
>> You do want a nice SNMP monitoring system that allows you to pull
>> whatever parameters you want out of the MIB, not one that charges per
>> line item (like PRTG) or that only pulls a few selected details. I do
>> enjoy the detail I can get out of InterMapper, for instance. Where are
>> you (or your planned network) located, Jordan?
>>
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Ian
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 10/21/2016 3:07 PM, Jordan de Geus wrote:
>> >>> Hey guys,
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm very new to the WISP industry and I've been curious to know how
>> >>> people are designing their WISP networks.
>> >>>
>> >>> Are you creating VLAN's for each connection point? So your backhauls
>> >>> are all in one VLAN, while all AP to client connections are in
>> >>> another VLAN?
>> >>>
>> >>> I had been thinking about how the above VLAN based design would be,
>> >>> in terms of security, and I realized that if all CPE's were in one
>> >>> VLAN together, wouldn't they be able to cross communicate? So an AP
>> >>> with 30 clients operating in VLANX, would essentially be able to
>> >>> communicate to each other, bring security as a major issue. I was
>> >>> thinking that you'd be able to do VLAN's for each customer, but
>> >>> doing a PTMP setup for residential purposes, I feel like the system
>> >>> would be quite bogged down with that amount of vlans?
>> >>>
>> >>> How are you authenticating and issuing IP's to clients? Are you
>> >>> doing PPPOE or DHCP? Is everything just in routed tables?
>> >>>
>> >>> What sort of hardware are you using for your network design and
>> >>> management?
>> >>>
>> >>> Kind Regards,
>> >>> Jordan
>> >>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] captive portal software

[Tim]

Linktechs.net is a reseller.  Details on their web site.

Runs on a virtual box.

Tim

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David Funderburk  wrote:

> 
>
>This looks interesting. Any idea what it costs? 
>
> Regards,
>
> David Funderburk
> GlobalVision
> 864-569-0703 
>
>On 15/10/2016 09:31, Jim Patient wrote: 
>
>> This one has youtube integration, billing for 3rd party advertising, social 
>> media login, awesome analytics, WISPr compliance, surveys, and a bunch of 
>> other cool features. It also integrates with your APs to push out any 
>> changes you make in the GUI. It integrates with Mikrotik, Rukus, and Cisco 
>> Meraki. 
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z48uIP5k1nY [1] 
>> 
>> Let us know if you have questions on it.
>> 
>> jpati...@linktechs.net 
>> 
>> www.LinkTechs.net [2] | www.TowerCoverage.com [3] 
>> 
>> PHONE: 314-735-0270 FAX: 636-660-1534 
>> 
>> PHONE: 647-725-7011 
>> 
>> FROM: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] ON 
>> BEHALF OF David Funderburk
>> SENT: Saturday, October 08, 2016 5:55 PM
>> TO: WISPA General List 
>> SUBJECT: [WISPA] captive portal software 
>> 
>> Can anyone recommend a solid captive portal software for WIFI networks? Open 
>> source is preferred but not required. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> David Funderburk
>> GlobalVision
>> 864-569-0703 
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Re: [WISPA] captive portal software

[Tim]

+1

Just moved my hotspots to this package.  
Can be more then just hotspots it is an image and get the message out there 
platform.

A little pricey but our analysis and two year search for a replacement solution 
indicates a good choice for us.

Tim

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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Webpage is down

[Tim Way]

Zing. I like it.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 9/27/16 14:27, Tim Way wrote:
> > That's ok I interactively harness dynamic clouds
>
>
> In order to globally enable mission-critical web services.
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Webpage is down

[Tim Way]

That's ok I interactively harness dynamic clouds

http://www.atrixnet.com/bs-generator.html



On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Ian Fraser  wrote:

> Warning you could waste a day here  https://honestnetworker.wordpress.com/
>
> Ian
>
> On 27/09/2016 3:56 PM, Tim Way wrote:
>
> Ahh classic. Um what EMAIL?
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Bryce Duchcherer 
> wrote:
>
>> Must watch!
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8_Kfjo3VjU
>>
>> Bryce D
>> NETAGO
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sam Morris
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 13:50
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Webpage is down
>>
>> Running on Windows? :)
>>
>> On 9/27/2016 12:23 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
>> > Ok, Trina, I'll be Patient.
>> >
>> > cid:image001.png@01D03C92.EFCBD870
>> >
>> > _jpati...@linktechs.net <mailto:jpati...@linktechs.net>_
>> >
>> > www.LinkTechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/>*| *www.TowerCoverage.com
>> > <http://www.towercoverage.com/>
>> >
>> > usa_flag *Phone:* 314-735-0270 *FAX*: 636-660-1534
>> >
>> > *canada_flagPhone:*647-725-7011
>> >
>> > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> > *On Behalf Of *Trina Coffey, Director of Operations
>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:12 AM
>> > *To:* memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List' ;
>> > wi...@wispa.org
>> > *Subject:* [WISPA] WISPA Webpage is down
>> > *Importance:* High
>> >
>> > Hello all
>> >
>> > The server that houses our website is down.  This means until it is
>> > fixed you will be unable to login to your account or register for
>> > WISPAPALOOZA.  Please be patient, we have contacted our software
>> > company and they are aware of the problem.
>> >
>> > My staff and I will also be unable to access your profile, account, or
>> > membership information during the outage.
>> >
>> > Respectfully,
>> >
>> > Trina Coffey
>> >
>> > Director of Operations
>> >
>> > WISPA
>> >
>> > 260-622-5775 direct
>> >
>> > 866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only)
>> >
>> > 530-227-6696 cell
>> >
>> > www.wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org>
>> >
>> > Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA <http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAPALOOZA
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Webpage is down

[Tim Way]

Ahh classic. Um what EMAIL?

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Bryce Duchcherer  wrote:

> Must watch!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8_Kfjo3VjU
>
> Bryce D
> NETAGO
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Sam Morris
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 13:50
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Webpage is down
>
> Running on Windows? :)
>
> On 9/27/2016 12:23 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
> > Ok, Trina, I'll be Patient.
> >
> > cid:image001.png@01D03C92.EFCBD870
> >
> > _jpati...@linktechs.net _
> >
> > www.LinkTechs.net *| *www.TowerCoverage.com
> > 
> >
> > usa_flag *Phone:* 314-735-0270 *FAX*: 636-660-1534
> >
> > *canada_flagPhone:*647-725-7011
> >
> > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > *On Behalf Of *Trina Coffey, Director of Operations
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:12 AM
> > *To:* memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List' ;
> > wi...@wispa.org
> > *Subject:* [WISPA] WISPA Webpage is down
> > *Importance:* High
> >
> > Hello all
> >
> > The server that houses our website is down.  This means until it is
> > fixed you will be unable to login to your account or register for
> > WISPAPALOOZA.  Please be patient, we have contacted our software
> > company and they are aware of the problem.
> >
> > My staff and I will also be unable to access your profile, account, or
> > membership information during the outage.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Trina Coffey
> >
> > Director of Operations
> >
> > WISPA
> >
> > 260-622-5775 direct
> >
> > 866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only)
> >
> > 530-227-6696 cell
> >
> > www.wispa.org 
> >
> > Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA !!
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Need a ~60ft pole to mount a 2ft dish on

[Tim]

Self support 60 foot for tower is about $1,800



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Fred Goldstein  wrote:

>On 9/12/2016 2:38 PM, Nick Bright wrote:
>> On 9/8/2016 10:16 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:
>>> http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=49277
>>>
>> Any idea how much these usually cost?
>>
>I looked to find it for sale. I found a shorter version of that (the 
>Ballast Pole -- a monopole with an above-ground mat base poured on site 
>into a provided mold) for something like $8k, so a 60' one is likely to 
>cost more. That's just for the kit; you provide the site work and 
>aggregate fill.
>
>I still vote for the wood utility pole.
>
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Re: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?

[Tim Way]

Thanks for the replies guys. So from both of your perspectives you were
able to get legal service from them but you either had performance or cost
issues?

Thanks,

Tim

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 10:57 AM,  wrote:

> From my experience they are outrageously overpriced.
>
> -Tim A
>
> *From:* Joe Miller 
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2016 8:46 AM
> *To:* 'WISPA General List' 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?
>
>
> I have had some not so good experiences with their bonded T-1’s in the
> past. Maybe things have gotten better now.
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Tim Way
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2016 10:41 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?
>
>
>
> Does anyone have experience working with CenturyLink in regards to getting
> a proper circuit from that will legally allow you to resell bandwidth on
> it? In particular I know of a remote area that can get residential DSL but
> for miles and miles after that there is nothing. My hope is CenturyLink
> would convert that a business service would allow me to resell it. I'd be
> willing to extend from there outwards into areas that are completely
> without non satellite or cellular service.
>
>
>
> Some quick Google work shows up only 1 relevant result and it would seem I
> would need to be a CLEC to make that work.
>
>
>
> Being the peach they are usually to work with just looking for what others
> have experienced before I try to work through some phone trees at
> CenturyLink.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
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[WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?

[Tim Way]

Does anyone have experience working with CenturyLink in regards to getting
a proper circuit from that will legally allow you to resell bandwidth on
it? In particular I know of a remote area that can get residential DSL but
for miles and miles after that there is nothing. My hope is CenturyLink
would convert that a business service would allow me to resell it. I'd be
willing to extend from there outwards into areas that are completely
without non satellite or cellular service.

Some quick Google work shows up only 1 relevant result and it would seem I
would need to be a CLEC to make that work.

Being the peach they are usually to work with just looking for what others
have experienced before I try to work through some phone trees at
CenturyLink.

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Software for network monitoring

[Tim Way]

Zenoss, nagios core, solarwinds
On Jan 9, 2015 4:11 PM, "Fabrizio Fiore Donati"  wrote:

> Hi all we have a network of about 200 wireless pop, each pop have about 8
> devices, what software do you suggest to use for monitoring ?
> Wireless devices are a mix of mikrotik, ubiquity, cambium and siae
> microelettronica. Switches are zte and cisco.
>
> Right now we use ipswitch whatsup gold but i'm looking for a valid
> alternative.
>
> Anu suggestion ?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements

[Tim Way]

Any handy links by chance? I appreciate the quick response.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> you have to follow OSHA rules.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Tim Way  wrote:
>
>> How does one find out the legal requirements for performing tower
>> climbing in a locality? I am located in Brown County, WI and I can't seem
>> to drum up an intelligible Google search that finds me the answer or anyone
>> at my local county offices that talk to me.
>>
>> I'm interested in knowing:
>>
>>- What kind of training or certifications might be needed
>>- Which government offices that I would need to register with
>>- Like which level of government, federal, state, county/city and
>>   which offices
>>- Are there break points where you either need training or don't
>>- Example: for a tower under 50 feet you can do it yourself without
>>   any requirements vs a tower over 50 feet you need to do x, y and z 
>> things
>>   to be legal. (totally made up situation but you get it)
>>- Anything else you experienced folks happen to know.
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Tim
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[WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements

[Tim Way]

How does one find out the legal requirements for performing tower climbing
in a locality? I am located in Brown County, WI and I can't seem to drum up
an intelligible Google search that finds me the answer or anyone at my
local county offices that talk to me.

I'm interested in knowing:

   - What kind of training or certifications might be needed
   - Which government offices that I would need to register with
   - Like which level of government, federal, state, county/city and which
  offices
   - Are there break points where you either need training or don't
   - Example: for a tower under 50 feet you can do it yourself without any
  requirements vs a tower over 50 feet you need to do x, y and z
things to be
  legal. (totally made up situation but you get it)
   - Anything else you experienced folks happen to know.


Thanks in advance,

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Re: [WISPA] BGR on 3.5

[Tim Way]

Either that or they will need to add the ability back to YouTube to cache
videos locally and only play ads over the airwaves. Data caps are hitting
all cloud services in the pocket book one way or the other. Hands down I
would take a connection that is slower and uncapped than a connection that
is faster but capped monthly so low that I can blow the whole ball of wax
in an hour.

My .02 cents and +1 for an active night on the list.

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Robert  wrote:

> Cool, Google should buy up a huge swath of 3GHz spectrum at auction and
> "Give" it to the public...   Makes sense to me  :)
>
> On 01/06/2015 03:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > http://bgr.com/2015/01/06/google-vs-verizon-att-wireless/
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

[Tim Way]

No one has said anything about the use of rogue AP detection from a
troubleshooting standpoint. In our environment our APs do a monitor mode
cycle occasionally and use the information each AP gives the controller to
determine if something wireless is present. It uses the collected data to
"attempt" and provide a location. This is fantastic and can provide a lot
of useful data that you can act on to resolve and prevent problems in a
corporate wireless environment.

I would agree that interfering inappropriately with the data these tools
provide you with may or may not cause you legal trouble. Of course that is
no different than owning a gun in Wisconsin. Its alright to have it but
point it at the thing and you might find yourself in hot water.

** feeding the trolls nothing to see here :) **
On Jan 6, 2015 4:27 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> A WISP doesn't own (or lease) everywhere. A company owns or leases their
> corporate space.
>
> If a Russian or Chinese spy snuck a MiFi into Lockheed Skunkworks and
> somehow passed their other forms of security, you'd be okay with them
> chugging away uploading whatever they found?
>
>
>
> -
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> *From: *"Dennis Burgess" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:09:47 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
>
> While I understand your reasoning, I would disagree.   If you could do
> this, for the security of a WISP, we will shut down all Access Points via
> Deauth attack that my Access Points can see.  Also note, I am not talking
> for the FCC, but for what I believe is right, in this case, you can’t own a
> location or area of the wifi bands, therefore, you can’t cause harmful
> interference, and a deauth attack would be harmful, and interference.
>
>
>
> I  can agree that you can detect it and shut it off on a port on your
> network, but you should not be able to interfere with other operations,
> regardless if it is your property or not.  Maybe that’s not the intent from
> those actions, but it’s clear that if it’s not on your network then you
> can’t do much about it.Now, if they are on your property, sure you can
> tell them to turn it off or leave, but that’s another issue. lol
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>
> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 2:02 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
>
>
>
> There is no mention of a blanket refusal. In the FCC citation, the fact
> that they're charging for Internet access is brought up every time the
> deauthing activity is.
>
> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-329743A1.pdf
>
> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-1444A1.pdf
>
> In reading that second one, they also keep bringing up that Marriott
> charged for Internet (and a lot at that).
>
> "Specifically, such employees had used this capability to prevent users
> from connecting to the Internet via their own personal Wi-Fi networks when
> these users did not pose a threat to the security of the Gaylord Opryland
> network or its guests."
>
> Sounds like security is a viable defense.
>
>
>
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>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Dennis Burgess" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 6, 2015 11:43:53 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
>
> You cannot do it at all….
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>
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>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:06 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
>
>
>
> You can do it all day long within your own company. Marriott was doing it
> to force people to give them money. A company doing it has plenty of other
> reasons.
>
>
>
> -
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>
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> 
> 
> 
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> *From: *"Dennis Burgess" 
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> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection
>
> Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been
> deemed illegal by th

Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

[Tim Way]

In our corporate environment we have a Cisco wireless environment (indoors)
and we match that with Cisco Prime for things like heat maps, rogue AP
detection, and tracking wireless devices that are associated among other
features.

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/technology/roguedetection_deploy/Rogue_Detection.html

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Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

[Tim Kerns]

Ok Dennis you said the same in a later post



From: Tim Kerns 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:08 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

Dennis, I think you are taking this to literal. I have the right to detect 
and prohibit any wireless access point that is “connected” to my network. I do 
not have the right to bar an access point that is within my area of control 
from operating as long as it is not using my network for connectivity.

The hotel was trying to prevent guest and other business from using access 
points that were NOT connected to their network and thus avoiding paying them a 
fee.

Big difference here.



From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 8:43 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

Yep, you do not control the airwaves in your business, therefor you cannot 
interfere with any “access point” that conforms with Part-15.  

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Adair Winter
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 10:10 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

 

a public place such as a hotel chain vs my private business where I needed to 
be able to control the wifi and keep things like wifi pineapples from snooping 
on my business would be not allowed?

 

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Dennis Burgess  wrote:

Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been deemed 
illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I think due to it.  

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

 

I have a customer that is being required to get rogue access point detection.  
not a one time thing but ongoing detection.  What products have people used. 




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Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

[Tim Kerns]

Dennis, I think you are taking this to literal. I have the right to detect 
and prohibit any wireless access point that is “connected” to my network. I do 
not have the right to bar an access point that is within my area of control 
from operating as long as it is not using my network for connectivity.

The hotel was trying to prevent guest and other business from using access 
points that were NOT connected to their network and thus avoiding paying them a 
fee.

Big difference here.



From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 8:43 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

Yep, you do not control the airwaves in your business, therefor you cannot 
interfere with any “access point” that conforms with Part-15.  

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Adair Winter
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 10:10 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

 

a public place such as a hotel chain vs my private business where I needed to 
be able to control the wifi and keep things like wifi pineapples from snooping 
on my business would be not allowed?

 

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Dennis Burgess  wrote:

Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been deemed 
illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I think due to it.  

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

 

I have a customer that is being required to get rogue access point detection.  
not a one time thing but ongoing detection.  What products have people used. 




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[WISPA] selling my bitlomat sectors etc

[Tim Reichhart]

Guys
I am currently selling:
I have 2x MikroTik netbox 5 for 95 each
2x MikroTik sxt-g-5hpacd for 95 each
3 x Bitomat BT200 200 each.
2 x Bitmoat BT100 for 80 each.

Yes you all are wondering why I am selling so much gear as late its most of the 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF

[Tim Way]

Hands up! Now if only we had a polling engine...
*high five*



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*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF

*Raises hand*
On Dec 30, 2014 4:05 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> How many WISPs have heard of MEF or CE or even VPLS?
>
> So...  have you asked for it yet?   :-p
>
>
> supp...@mikrotik.com
>
>
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> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:00:41 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF
>
> They are a router vendor and didn't knew about MEF...??? Are you f...kng
> kidding me??? Sheesh! They do live in a bubble...I guess that's one of the
> reasons they have not grown out of the wisp market
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> @gvillarini
>
>
>
> On Dec 30, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
>   They had never heard of it before and I'm the only one that has ever
> brought it up to them. Trying to convince them now to do the work. At the
> last US MUM, they were saying to e-mail them with requests and
> enhancements. Since they said no one has before, I invite you all to.
>
>
>
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> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:39:20 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik - MEF
>
> And they agreed?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> @gvillarini
>
>
>
> On Dec 30, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
>   E-mail Mikrotik support and ask them to obtain MEF certification.
>
> For those that don't know what MEF is, it's what the big boys have for all
> of the gear they use.
>
>
> http://metroethernetforum.org/certification/equipment-certification-overview
> http://metroethernetforum.org/carrier-ethernet/technical-specifications
>
> Y.1731 is a big thing to my prospective clients to document the
> performance of circuits I provide.
>
>
> https://metroethernetforum.org/Assets/Presentation/Overview_of_the_Work_of_the_MEF_20130610.pptx
>
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[WISPA] anybody using bitlomat stuff?

[Tim Reichhart]

Is anybody using that bitlomat stuff in there wisp?





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Re: [WISPA] I got 4 Powerbeam AC 500's for sale

[Tim Reichhart]

The powerbeams as been sold

-Original Message- 
> From: "Tim Reichhart"  
> To: "WISPA General List"  
> Date: 12/29/14 07:21 PM 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I got 4 Powerbeam AC 500's for sale 
> 
> sorry my math is off its 137.50 each LOL
> 
> Tim
> 
> -Original Message- 
> > From: "Tim Reichhart"  
> > To: "WISPA General List"  
> > Date: 12/29/14 07:16 PM 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I got 4 Powerbeam AC 500's for sale 
> > 
> > Tommie
> > These are brand new in the box and I will take paypal I just need these 
> > gone by this week your getting heck of an steal for the price its only 125 
> > dollars each when they list around 150 to 160 I got pictures to show that 
> > these are brand new.
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > -Original Message- 
> > > From: "Tommie Dodd"  
> > > To: "WISPA General List"  
> > > Date: 12/29/14 07:13 PM 
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I got 4 Powerbeam AC 500's for sale 
> > > 
> > > Tim,
> > > 
> > > What is the reason you are selling? In box or taken out of service?
> > > 
> > > If I buy, how do you want me to pay?
> > > 
> > > Thank you,l
> > > 
> > > Tommie Dodd
> > > Tnet Broadband Internet, LLC
> > > Lakeview, Oregon - 541-947-
> > > Alturas, California - 530-233-4000
> > > Toll free - 855-477-
> > > 
> > > On 12/29/2014 1:42 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
> > > > I got 4 powerbeam AC 500's for sale all 4 I can let go for 550 plus 
> > > > free shipping.
> > > >
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Re: [WISPA] I got 4 Powerbeam AC 500's for sale

[Tim Reichhart]

sorry my math is off its 137.50 each LOL

Tim

-Original Message- 
> From: "Tim Reichhart"  
> To: "WISPA General List"  
> Date: 12/29/14 07:16 PM 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I got 4 Powerbeam AC 500's for sale 
> 
> Tommie
> These are brand new in the box and I will take paypal I just need these gone 
> by this week your getting heck of an steal for the price its only 125 dollars 
> each when they list around 150 to 160 I got pictures to show that these are 
> brand new.
> 
> Tim
> 
> -Original Message- 
> > From: "Tommie Dodd"  
> > To: "WISPA General List"  
> > Date: 12/29/14 07:13 PM 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I got 4 Powerbeam AC 500's for sale 
> > 
> > Tim,
> > 
> > What is the reason you are selling? In box or taken out of service?
> > 
> > If I buy, how do you want me to pay?
> > 
> > Thank you,l
> > 
> > Tommie Dodd
> > Tnet Broadband Internet, LLC
> > Lakeview, Oregon - 541-947-
> > Alturas, California - 530-233-4000
> > Toll free - 855-477-
> > 
> > On 12/29/2014 1:42 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
> > > I got 4 powerbeam AC 500's for sale all 4 I can let go for 550 plus free 
> > > shipping.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
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Re: [WISPA] I got 4 Powerbeam AC 500's for sale

[Tim Reichhart]

Tommie
These are brand new in the box and I will take paypal I just need these gone by 
this week your getting heck of an steal for the price its only 125 dollars each 
when they list around 150 to 160 I got pictures to show that these are brand 
new.

Tim

-Original Message- 
> From: "Tommie Dodd"  
> To: "WISPA General List"  
> Date: 12/29/14 07:13 PM 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I got 4 Powerbeam AC 500's for sale 
> 
> Tim,
> 
> What is the reason you are selling? In box or taken out of service?
> 
> If I buy, how do you want me to pay?
> 
> Thank you,l
> 
> Tommie Dodd
> Tnet Broadband Internet, LLC
> Lakeview, Oregon - 541-947-
> Alturas, California - 530-233-4000
> Toll free - 855-477-
> 
> On 12/29/2014 1:42 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
> > I got 4 powerbeam AC 500's for sale all 4 I can let go for 550 plus free 
> > shipping.
> >
> > Tim
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[WISPA] I got 4 Powerbeam AC 500's for sale

[Tim Reichhart]

I got 4 powerbeam AC 500's for sale all 4 I can let go for 550 plus free 
shipping.

Tim





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Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

[Tim Reichhart]

Josh
but is it snowing all the time? if so what kind of speeds are you getting out 
of them.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: 12/17/14 02:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

Working great at six miles here in Alaska.

On December 17, 2014 9:58:58 AM AKST, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:Here is my issue the af24 wouldnt work 
for me since I live in the Midwest and we get rain etc... it would only work 
about an mile or so not 8 mile shots when can you guys get an working 24Ghz 
airfiber to work in these types of weather climates?

Tim



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From: "Ben Moore" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: 12/17/14 01:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

and 50% more range...
 
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:500Mbps technically :)
 

On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino Villarini  wrote:
Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch!






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From: "ben.mo...@ubnt.com" 
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Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced



 
Hi Gino - 


Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so units will be received in 
early to mid January.

MSRP is $6k/link.


Thanks,
Ben
 
 
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
Just got a email from UBNT


AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish (40db) 256 qam 1 Gbps Fdx


http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/


No pricing or availability info, Ben?






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Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

[Tim Reichhart]

Here is my issue the af24 wouldnt work for me since I live in the Midwest and 
we get rain etc... it would only work about an mile or so not 8 mile shots when 
can you guys get an working 24Ghz airfiber to work in these types of weather 
climates?

Tim


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To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: 12/17/14 01:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

and 50% more range...
 
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:500Mbps technically :)
 

On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino Villarini  wrote:
Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch!






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From: "ben.mo...@ubnt.com" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced



 
Hi Gino - 


Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so units will be received in 
early to mid January.

MSRP is $6k/link.


Thanks,
Ben
 
 
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
Just got a email from UBNT


AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish (40db) 256 qam 1 Gbps Fdx


http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/


No pricing or availability info, Ben?






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Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project

[Tim Way]

My .02 it should be database agnostic from the start otherwise kudos.
On Dec 3, 2014 3:07 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

>  Didn't they change the provisioning mechanism in aircontrol 2? I thought
> they had moved from SSH to something that was supposed to be more efficient.
>
>  --
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:56 PM
> *To:* wireless@wispa.org
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project
>
>   I've done a bit of work previously to reverse engineering the
> provisioning mechanism, and I see nothing that would be a problem
> collecting stats via that method. You'd still have to use groundcontrol
> to initially connect/provision the units first to exchange SSH keys, and
> you'd want it to be on a different ip that your previous aircontrol server.
>
> A nasty thing about ubnt provisioning... if you replace the server on the
> same ip or a different ip, all of the radios that were previously provisioned
> will always try to connect to the old ip/server, which causes quite a bit
> of arp traffic.
>
>  one thing I'd like to do is create a "cleanup tool" for that, though
> pssh (parallel ssh) + wireshark helped me clean up that mess "manually"
> in the past.
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 12/03/2014 11:09 AM, Randy Cosby wrote:
>
> Would it pay to see if UBNT would allow us to continue to use some of the
> provisioning mechanisms built into the radios for aircontrol?  It's nice to
> have subscriber units "phone home."
>
>
> On 12/3/2014 12:39 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
> I was wondering if that might come about. Maybe another wisp that uses
> their own software might offer something.
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>  Further driven by today's post that summed up says, "We don't care
> what you want. This is what you get."
>
>
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> *From: *"Josh Reynolds"  
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> https://github.com/esseph/groundcontrol
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> Licensing is tentatively set as falling under GPLv2.
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> We have already been offered code snippets, a dev box, a db server,
> and several people have decided to volunteer time to make this happen.
>
> The initial idea is that the system itself will be free, with a
> possibly paid support/features option, or maybe a model similar to
> observium where the is a "community" (free as in beer) version that
> comes out every 6mo or so, and a "paid" version with newer features
> and direct support. We're not sure yet, but we want to make this
> project accessible and fairly vendor-neutral.
>
> If any of you could volunteer time, support, code, documentation,
> ideas, etc.it would be greatly appreciated. This is a project by and
> for the WISP community. Thank you!
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Re: [WISPA] I need to monitor bandwidth usage

[Tim Way]

Are you looking for something to bill against regarding number of bytes per
billing period or a netflow/SNMP monitor of each users real-time bandwidth
usage?
On Dec 1, 2014 2:49 PM, "~NGL~"  wrote:

>  I need an inexpensive means to keep track of under 100 clients bandwidth
> usage.
> Any suggestions?
> Thanx
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Re: [WISPA] Selling brand new wireless gear

[Tim Reichhart]

Update
the toughswitches as been sold 
but still got:
rocket m5 x 2 for 79 each
nsm2 for 79

but adding to this list:
loco m2 for 45
3 port edgerouter lite for 90
bitlomat bt200 US x 3 for 215 each.

Tim

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> To: "WISPA General List"  
> Date: 11/25/14 06:30 AM 
> Subject: [WISPA] Selling brand new wireless gear 
> 
> I am selling current gear
> 5-Port PoE ToughSwitch x 2 for 85
> rocket m5 x 2 for 79
> NSM2 x 1 for 79
> 
> Free shipping
> 
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[WISPA] Selling brand new wireless gear

[Tim Reichhart]

I am selling current gear
5-Port PoE ToughSwitch x 2 for 85
rocket m5 x 2 for 79
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Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?

[Tim Way]

Here is my confusion on this issue. Everyone is acting like it is the great
harbinger for Internet companies. One of the biggest problems I have is
lack of clear information. I'm not saying I have any of those answers for
certainty but I will point a few things I have picked up meanwhile donning
my flame proof cap.


   - Requires us to be able to provide per service reporting of traffic (I
   think of it as a port span or flow-analysis of a particular service user,
   which is fairly easy to do and you should already be able to do this)
   - Talks about potentially a 16% fee on service. This will not make you
   shut your doors big or small because every provider will have to do this
   and I can assure you in the long run no one is eating that cost but the
   consumer. Also this is fundamentally good for rural Americans. Rural areas
   have phone service because of that fund when used properly. Now it would
   include proper broadband access. This is the only risk I see to the WISP
   model. There is nothing that says you can't play both sides and become a
   participant in utilizing the USF to build out infrastructure even if that
   means doing scary things like diving into ground models like fiber.
   - The biggest one I have is fair treatment of traffic. To me this is the
   default way to run an ISP. I don't want an ISP that slows down certain
   traffic and I definitely don't want to be the service provider that does
   that. I'd rather see more guaranteed bandwidth numbers and a flatter
   pricing scheme even if that means a higher cost to the consumer. What I
   mean by that is if you deploy 100mbps of service to an area and you start
   signing up users and all the sudden you are promising everyone 20% over
   what you can provide them at the head-end don't use the words "up to" in
   your service agreement. Either adjust the service speeds to control the
   talking on a head-end radio or make adjustments to your architecture to
   accommodate the bursts in traffic. What that might mean is more smaller
   cells to service an area and yes that costs money. Nothing is free in this
   world so if it costs X dollars to provide Y services to consumers that want
   Y then such is life. No on complains when they need to upgrade their
   electrical service at home because they want to run more equipment or
   devices. If that means I as the consumer that wants to stream HD Netflix in
   4 rooms has to upgrade my service then so be it. The provider (You/Me) can
   then build out our infrastructure to accommodate that need at the cost you
   and your customer agree on or he/she just decides that their bandwidth
   needs doesn't match the price point to achieve what they are trying to do
   and goes back to buying DVDs through Amazon. This also works on the
   upstream, as a small WISP do you really want to be on the receiving end of
   a big provider possibly your only option for decent upstream connectivity
   to suddenly start slowing down certain types of traffic? Then you are faced
   with trying to provide a service that your customers might demand without
   any ability other than potentially an extremely expensive one to fill that
   need. I think it is always better to not shape traffic for customers. Let
   them manage their connection to the Internet. Instead for high throughput
   applications we should push for the option to deploy CDN like edge devices
   from these larger service providers if the actual throughput is not
   available or more costly.

Alright I've got my flame retardant cap on let the replies flood in :)

Tim


On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Sam Tetherow  wrote:

>  I'm guessing that while the phone companies may not like the idea it
> seems a little less onerous to them since they are already dealing with
> Title II.  If nothing else it will weed out the smaller competition in
> their eyes.
>
> While the cable companies or more strongly in the hate it camp I doubt
> they will be getting out of the business if it comes about.
>
> Depending on what requirements actually come out of Title II for ISPs will
> probably have several WISPs close their doors.  If there isn't some sort of
> small business exemption I doubt I will stay in the business.
>
>
> On 11/19/2014 07:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> I can't imagine why anyone other than a blind consumer would love it.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

[Tim Kerns]

so this gives everyone sweet smelling poop  


From: Mike Lyon 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:37 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

Yes, it actually is because of a particular stockyard right at that 
intersection next to the sugar factory and train tracks. 

Moo.

-Mike


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Tim Kerns  wrote:

  Manteca in the early 80’s had stockyards

  The smell is most likely residual...
  From: Mike Lyon 
  Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:07 AM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

  Which is odd, because Manteca at 205 and 99 DOES smell like a bathroom. 

  Think they accidentally swapped the names...

  On Nov 14, 2014 10:46 AM, "Kristian Hoffmann"  wrote:

A stones throw from our office in Salida (Exit) which sits on the county 
line, and about an hour from Los Banos (the bathrooms).  I'm sure I'm missing 
some, buts omeone sure had a sense of humor.

-Kristian

On 11/14/2014 09:54 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

  Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish…



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  From: John Thomas 
  Reply-To: WISPA General List 
  Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service


  Looking for 10 meg 

  1640 West Yosemite Blvd.
  Manteca, CA 95337

  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

   

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

[Tim Kerns]

Manteca in the early 80’s had stockyards

The smell is most likely residual...
From: Mike Lyon 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:07 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

Which is odd, because Manteca at 205 and 99 DOES smell like a bathroom. 

Think they accidentally swapped the names...

On Nov 14, 2014 10:46 AM, "Kristian Hoffmann"  wrote:

  A stones throw from our office in Salida (Exit) which sits on the county 
line, and about an hour from Los Banos (the bathrooms).  I'm sure I'm missing 
some, buts omeone sure had a sense of humor.

  -Kristian

  On 11/14/2014 09:54 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish…



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From: John Thomas 
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Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service


Looking for 10 meg 

1640 West Yosemite Blvd.
Manteca, CA 95337

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Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

[Tim Kerns]

A little caution ... transmit power does not necessarily equate to speed.

Speed is a combination of signal strength, signal quality (lack of noise or 
interference) and distance. And doubling the output power will not result in 
double the speed.

Transmit power will give you further distance, but depending on the other 
factors above and the client output power you may not see any gain in distance.


From: Colton Conor 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:42 PM
To: r...@sbnettech.com ; WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

We are deploying a DSL network, and Broadcom is the leader in the DSL chipset 
market. So most all these modems we are using have a Broadcom SoC design with 
the VDSL2 modem, 802.11N 2x2 MIMO, Ethernet Switch, and CPU all built in. The 
only thing the modem manufacturers change is the power output on the Broadcom 
wifi (via a amp on the broad) and the selection of internal or external omni 
antennas for the most part. Plus some tweak the wifi settings. 

We are trying to decide if it is worth the small price premium to pay for the 
modem that has the high powered amp at 400mw vs the regular ones that only have 
100mw. Sounds like the the high powered ones are worth it especially since we 
have no control of the clients devices (I guess you rarely ever do anyways) and 
we are only supplying one AP/router per home. 

I guess this is why AT&T uverse gets such good ratings and reviews from their 
customers on wifi? They are using 2Wire/Pace modems for the most part that have 
all high powered wifi. Thats why in an AT&T area you can see tons of them.  







On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Ryan McKenzie  wrote:

  I second what Josh is saying.  I build out a lot of hotels and large offices, 
and because of iPhones and iPads, we've started doubling up on the AP's we 
normally would deploy.  In an indoor environment, it's really tough to do a 
very directional antenna because you are usually trying to cover a 360 deg 
area, so high power AP's, low gain antennas, and more AP's is usually the best 
approach. 

  That being said, I'm curious about your specific choice of Broadcom radios in 
your first post.  Usually that means you are trying to utilize custom firmware 
such as DD-WRT or Sputnik, etc.  Is this the case?  If so, it would be 
interesting to hear what you are trying to accomplish.  I've played with many 
of those for a long time, until I really saw the capability and power of the 
Unifi, and stopped messing around with anything else.  

  Just curious as Broadcom is not a radio chipset you hear much about on this 
list. 


  Thanks,
  Ryan McKenzie
  Office 385-215-WIFI
  Cell 801-309-6161


  On 11/13/14 4:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

You are correct.  It never will.  Rx can only be improved by a bigger 
antenna to listen with.  Antenna gain always has and will be better than raw 
power. 

Unless you include the other side's Tx, in which case more power and gain 
will help.  In the Wifi world you're totally screwed because it's a terrible 
laptop/phone/game console/tablet/etc in which case you can't do ANYTHING to 
their devices.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Colton Conor  
wrote:

  Awesome, I am already learning so much from this mailing list. So it 
sound like the author was right. So boosting the power output on the AP will 
more than likely boost the TX (downlink) speed on the AP side, but do nothing 
on the RX speed side of the AP since nothing from the clients sending 
perspective has changed right?  

  On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Ben West  wrote:

Yes, radios will negotiate different rx/tx rates to each other, so up 
to 2 distinct rates for a single link.  On the open source mac80211 
linux-wireless driver you can see this explicitly.  The rx/tx on one radio is 
the tx/rx on the other.

root@ap1:~# iw wlan0 station dump
Station 52:e6:fc:XX:XX:XX (on wlan0)
inactive time:70 ms
rx bytes:769202553
rx packets:4644034
tx bytes:326581907
tx packets:465139
tx retries:76461
tx failed:4
signal:  -56 [-57, -62] dBm
signal avg:-55 [-57, -62] dBm
tx bitrate:117.0 MBit/s MCS 14
rx bitrate:86.7 MBit/s MCS 12 short GI
authorized:yes
authenticated:yes
preamble:long
WMM/WME:yes
MFP:no
TDLS peer:no

root@ap2:~# iw wlan0 station dump
Station 62:66:b3:XX:XX:XX (on wlan0)
inactive time:10 ms
rx bytes:569548806
rx packets:3191667
tx bytes:412571117
tx packets:490879
tx retries:104831
tx 

Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] "FCC Confirms Delay of New Net Neutrality Rules Until 2015"

[Tim Kerns]

Don't you think they will throttle us also...

Make us pay for fast lane just like their other customers... only worst for 
us.. think ESPN

Don't misunderstand me... I don't like the net neutrality as its being 
proposed, but I also don't want some services favored over others and forced 
to pay more the get them equal.

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:05 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] "FCC Confirms Delay of New Net Neutrality Rules 
Until 2015"

Is there any more information on what exactly the FCC is proposing to
propose?  I know there was Title II thrown around

How would that impact us, or any other carrier?  Net neutrality is about
giving all packets equal access -- if I already do that, do I have
anything to fear?

I for one would love to see Net neutrality fall on its face, the big
ISPs start throtteling traffic, and just have customers driven to us
little guys who don't throttle.

On 11/11/14, 8:33 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> from:
> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/11/11/2345213/fcc-confirms-delay-of-new-net-neutrality-rules-until-2015
>
> "/The Federal Communications Commission will abandon
> 
>  
> its earlier
> promise
>  
> to
> make a decision on new net neutrality rules this year. Instead, FCC
> Press Secretary Kim Hart said, "there will not be a vote on open
> internet rules on the December meeting agenda. That would mean rules
> would now be finalized in 2015." The FCC's confirmation of the delay
> came just as President Barack Obama launched a campaign
> 
>  
> to
> persuade the agency to reclassify broadband Internet service as a public
> utility./Opensource.com is also running an interview with a legal
> advisor at the FCC
> .
> He says, "There will be a burden on providers. The question is, 'Is that
> burden justified?' And I think our answer is 'Yes.'""
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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

[Tim Kerns]

or plug a cheap cpe in the ac outlet... run  a ping monitor to it... when power 
is off pings stop..



From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 7:35 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

Plug in a Sitemonitor and use a battery backup.  With Powercode you can use 
PagerDuty to do a phone call.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Nov 10, 2014 10:21 AM, "OOLLC-Support"  wrote:

  Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets
  kicked?  I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone
  to let me know when the server has lost power.  Does anyone have a cheap
  way to solve this?
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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

[Tim Way]

Using a UPS that maintains Internet access it can be setup to send an SNMP
trap that a monitoring system (ZenOSS/SolarWinss/etc) can generate an EMAIL
or text message from.
On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, "OOLLC-Support"  wrote:

> Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets
> kicked?  I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone
> to let me know when the server has lost power.  Does anyone have a cheap
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Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

[Tim Kerns]

Gino, that sounds like the issue we had... have your electric company check to 
see if you are dropping a phase at the transformer servicing you.   

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 7:06 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

We have a APC ups on site, problem is voltage drops below the UPS threshold (90 
vac) I need something that would regulate from 60-70 vac upwards



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From: Sean Heskett 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Monday, November 10, 2014 at 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??


Apc battery backup.  They will trim and boost for you. 

We have a site that drops to 100vac in the winter when the heater kicks on (old 
building and wiring :-/ )  the apc boost the load to 120.



On Monday, November 10, 2014, Gino Villarini  wrote:

  We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping 
below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator?



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Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

[Tim Kerns]

We found when using  Tripplite UPS the battery would eventually go dead. The 
UPS would use battery power to boost the voltage, but remain on battery for a 
period of time (about a minute) to ensure the voltage would be stable. About 
the time it switched back we would get another drop. It never had time to 
recharge.  The problem at the site was a phase was dropping.

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:41 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

Apc battery backup.  They will trim and boost for you. 

We have a site that drops to 100vac in the winter when the heater kicks on (old 
building and wiring :-/ )  the apc boost the load to 120.



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  We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping 
below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator?



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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

[Tim Way]

Rather you hope the don't. I don't think you will be worried out network
access if that were to happen though lol
On Nov 7, 2014 8:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:

> My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.
>
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
>
>  Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware
> of the meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP
> rating. It matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the
> gear you need to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal
> expansion can cause cracking around connector housings in some levels of
> gear. Ice storms? Nothing exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate
> near the desert? Dust protection matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly
> corrosive. Are you complaining about water getting into your boxes? If you
> don't know the IP rating, you really can't complain becuase you may be
> using the gear beyond its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so
> in the interest of dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the "IP
> rating."
>
>
>
> First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to
> each other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP
> "fifty-five," but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP  "five
> five." Come again?!?
>
>
>
> Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter
> -- solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection
> from liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that
> deals with mechanical tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack
> the code:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls
> are almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station
> impacts the whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated
> truck rolls and is a time sink trying to identify root cause before the
> truck rolls. Outdoor devices with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in
> dust. Similarly, anything with a second number of 6 or below will take on
> water because it was not designed not to.
>
>
>
> These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or
> cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you
> any less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within
> your control.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
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>
> National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question....

[Tim Way]

I would think something like this might be the safer option:
http://www.certifiedmtp.com/step-up-step-down-transformer-500w/?gclid=CNWj1Kro48ECFQipaQodB74ADQ

That said I'm not an electrician and I think that question might be best
answered by one.

Tim Way

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Scott Carullo 
wrote:

> I need to place a 120v normal 1U router in a rack that only has 240v twist
> lock receptacles available for power.  I need to put a UPS there so I just
> looked for a 240v UPS with the right plugs but because they are made for a
> lot larger load they were way bigger (and more expensive) than what I was
> looking for.  SO...  anyone have a better way to do this?  I have
> considered taking one leg and bonding the neutral and ground, but.
>
> Thanks
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
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Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product

[Tim Way]

Cool! This discussion has been really interesting. It is nice to see both
sides of the problem and how you and potentially others are tackling
throughput issues out in their live infrastructure.

Tim

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Simon Westlake  wrote:

>  It's the AP, not the backhaul. We just don't have space or frequency
> available to keep deploying more and more APs (let alone the cost) - having
> a single Procera help control them is significantly cheaper than continuing
> to deploy infrastructure to split up customers.
>
> On 11/2/2014 5:57 PM, Tim Way wrote:
>
> Ya I see ya there. I'm surprised you are having that much congestion on
> those back haul links out to the tower unless the AP itself on the tower is
> maxed out during the peak hours. Is that pretty common for some of the
> other WISP providers out there? Is it more often the back-haul or the
> capacity of a particular radio? What are the ways people are solving it
> when a particular radio is chatty during peak hours? Do you put another
> (set of sectors) in another frequency and connect some customers to that
> one if their is frequency to spare? Is moving towards a model where you
> have more source radios (towers/cells) so the density on a particular radio
> isn't as high?
>
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Simon Westlake 
> wrote:
>
>>  It is a completely different solution. There would be no caching, it's
>> all shaping or filtering. For example, what we do is, during peak hours, no
>> software updates or backup systems (like Dropbox, Carbonite, etc) can use
>> more than 128Kbps per customer. Outside peak hours, we let them run wild.
>>
>> A caching server wouldn't do us any good unless we put one at each tower.
>> Our upstream is not the problem.
>>
>>
>> On 10/30/2014 11:51 PM, Tim Way wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Paul on this one for sure. I don't know much about the
>> Procera box but is their method support by Apple or is more of a
>> traditional in-line proxy that intercepts and redirects the communication?
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Paul Conlin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Because management of Apple iOS updates is one big thing that Procera
>>> can do to help optimize a WISPs network. But if you are running a low cost
>>> low overhead Apple update caching server you could very easily do this
>>> without an expensive Procera box.
>>>
>>> PC
>>> Blaze Broadband
>>>
>>>
>>> On October 30, 2014 5:33:59 PM EDT, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Quick question,
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I missed something, but how did we go from traffic shaping and
>>>> DPI devices to something that does caching for apple stuff? Those are
>>>> two entirely different classes of products.
>>>>
>>>> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
>>>> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>>>>  On 10/30/2014 01:30 PM, Chris Wright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  It can work on networks not behind a NAT.
>>>>
>>>> http://help.apple.com/serverapp/mac/4.0/#/apd6015d9573
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Wright
>>>>
>>>> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>> ] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:38 PM
>>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Okay, so it would be for networks behind a NAT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>>
>>>> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
>>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:22:16 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
>>>>
>>>> Disregard my “AFAIK” answer. This is the real answer per
>>>> http://www.nbalonso.com/os-x-server-caching/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “The cache server registers online with Apple and provides it’s public
>>>> IP, your servers local IP, internal DNS name? (not sure of the dns)”
>>>>
>>>>

Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product

[Tim Way]

Ya I see ya there. I'm surprised you are having that much congestion on
those back haul links out to the tower unless the AP itself on the tower is
maxed out during the peak hours. Is that pretty common for some of the
other WISP providers out there? Is it more often the back-haul or the
capacity of a particular radio? What are the ways people are solving it
when a particular radio is chatty during peak hours? Do you put another
(set of sectors) in another frequency and connect some customers to that
one if their is frequency to spare? Is moving towards a model where you
have more source radios (towers/cells) so the density on a particular radio
isn't as high?

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Simon Westlake  wrote:

>  It is a completely different solution. There would be no caching, it's
> all shaping or filtering. For example, what we do is, during peak hours, no
> software updates or backup systems (like Dropbox, Carbonite, etc) can use
> more than 128Kbps per customer. Outside peak hours, we let them run wild.
>
> A caching server wouldn't do us any good unless we put one at each tower.
> Our upstream is not the problem.
>
>
> On 10/30/2014 11:51 PM, Tim Way wrote:
>
> I agree with Paul on this one for sure. I don't know much about the
> Procera box but is their method support by Apple or is more of a
> traditional in-line proxy that intercepts and redirects the communication?
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Paul Conlin 
> wrote:
>
>> Because management of Apple iOS updates is one big thing that Procera can
>> do to help optimize a WISPs network. But if you are running a low cost low
>> overhead Apple update caching server you could very easily do this without
>> an expensive Procera box.
>>
>> PC
>> Blaze Broadband
>>
>>
>> On October 30, 2014 5:33:59 PM EDT, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Quick question,
>>>
>>> Maybe I missed something, but how did we go from traffic shaping and DPI
>>> devices to something that does caching for apple stuff? Those are two
>>> entirely different classes of products.
>>>
>>> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
>>> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>>>  On 10/30/2014 01:30 PM, Chris Wright wrote:
>>>
>>>  It can work on networks not behind a NAT.
>>>
>>> http://help.apple.com/serverapp/mac/4.0/#/apd6015d9573
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Wright
>>>
>>> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> ] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:38 PM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Okay, so it would be for networks behind a NAT.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:22:16 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
>>>
>>> Disregard my “AFAIK” answer. This is the real answer per
>>> http://www.nbalonso.com/os-x-server-caching/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “The cache server registers online with Apple and provides it’s public
>>> IP, your servers local IP, internal DNS name? (not sure of the dns)”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Wright
>>>
>>> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> ] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:12 PM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I couldn't see how other people are supposed to know you have one of
>>> these caches running.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:10:36 PM
>>> *S

Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product

[Tim Way]

I agree with Paul on this one for sure. I don't know much about the Procera
box but is their method support by Apple or is more of a traditional
in-line proxy that intercepts and redirects the communication?

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Paul Conlin 
wrote:

> Because management of Apple iOS updates is one big thing that Procera can
> do to help optimize a WISPs network. But if you are running a low cost low
> overhead Apple update caching server you could very easily do this without
> an expensive Procera box.
>
> PC
> Blaze Broadband
>
>
> On October 30, 2014 5:33:59 PM EDT, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>>
>> Quick question,
>>
>> Maybe I missed something, but how did we go from traffic shaping and DPI
>> devices to something that does caching for apple stuff? Those are two
>> entirely different classes of products.
>>
>> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
>> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>>  On 10/30/2014 01:30 PM, Chris Wright wrote:
>>
>>  It can work on networks not behind a NAT.
>>
>> http://help.apple.com/serverapp/mac/4.0/#/apd6015d9573
>>
>>
>>
>>  Chris Wright
>>
>> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/>
>>
>>
>>
>>  *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:38 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
>>
>>
>>
>> Okay, so it would be for networks behind a NAT.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:22:16 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
>>
>> Disregard my “AFAIK” answer. This is the real answer per
>> http://www.nbalonso.com/os-x-server-caching/
>>
>>
>>
>> “The cache server registers online with Apple and provides it’s public
>> IP, your servers local IP, internal DNS name? (not sure of the dns)”
>>
>>
>>
>>  Chris Wright
>>
>> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/>
>>
>>
>>
>>  *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:12 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
>>
>>
>>
>>  I couldn't see how other people are supposed to know you have one of
>> these caches running.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:10:36 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
>>
>> OSX Server is a $19.99 add-on to OSX Yosemite. You can virtualize OSX in
>> ESXi (of course it won’t be supported by Apple unless it’s Apple hardware.)
>>
>>
>>
>>  Chris Wright
>>
>> Velociter Wireless <http://www.velociter.net/>
>>
>>
>>
>>  *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Paul Conlin
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:57 AM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product
>>
>>
>>
>> Unless the caching server is free. Under what conditions does Apple put
>> one of these in?
>>
>> PC
>> Blaze Broadband
>>
>>  On October 28, 2014 1:41:41 PM EDT, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I don't think many people care about caching servers in this regard.
>> The issue  isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all the APs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way  wrote:
>>
>>  For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at Apple's
>> Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides Apple software updates,
>> iTunes content and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is
>> tr

Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product

[Tim Way]

Yup to summarize this down into a single mail for those that are interested.

Mac Mini: Starts at $499.00 USD (w/a 500GB internal hard drive)
Mac OS X Server: iTunes store for $19.99 USD (requires a Mac OS X computer)

Some useful links:
http://support.apple.com/kb/PH15443
https://www.apple.com/osx/server/features/#caching-server
https://help.apple.com/advancedserveradmin/mac/3.0/#apdC36C9994-1533-4DCB-9CFF-870CB0FADCDB

Just a little creativity and a small capital investment and you are off to
the running server Apple content caching to your network behind your
upstream provider.

Last note: If you are into it you can now legally w/support run Mac OS X in
a virtual machine on ESXi if your ESXi install is running on a piece of Mac
hardware. There are plenty of guides out there showing people that have
setup ESXi environments using Mac Pro's if that is what wet's your whistle.

Tim Way

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I think it's like WSUS.  Free to use.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Oct 29, 2014 11:33 AM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
>> Apple doesn't put one in but you can.  Just buy a mac mini server and it
>> has the included caching software.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 28, 2014, Paul Conlin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Unless the caching server is free. Under what conditions does Apple put
>>> one of these in?
>>>
>>> PC
>>> Blaze Broadband
>>>
>>> On October 28, 2014 1:41:41 PM EDT, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't think many people care about caching servers in this regard.
>>>> The issue  isn't the upstream pipe filling up, it's all the APs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Timothy Way  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For those that are unaware of it you should take a look at Apple's
>>>>> Caching Server 2. It is pretty cool, it provides Apple software updates,
>>>>> iTunes content and basically anything Apple in a local cache that is
>>>>> transparent to the client. Apple looks at the source IP of the device
>>>>> asking for content and tells it to hit the local IP of your caching 
>>>>> server.
>>>>> My day job is a Network Administrator at a technical college. This has
>>>>> prevented the "APPLE DAYS OF DOOM" when they release updates in regards to
>>>>> our open (public) wireless network.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Way
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Paolo Di Francesco <
>>>>> paolo.difrance...@level7.it> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it depends on what you want/can achieve and how much bandwidth you
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> (and the experince you want to give to the users)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In few words: those boxes do not invent bandwidth they (all) try to
>>>>>> improve how you manage it. So those boxes are managing the bandwidth
>>>>>> with their policies that could or could not fit your policies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some simple tricks will help you to move the traffic locally (e.g.
>>>>>> Implementing local web-caching, local DNS, etc) but for sure you have
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> work on the infrastructure to optimize the traffic. The nice thing, in
>>>>>> that case, is that you will be more aware of what your users are doing
>>>>>> and how to make them happy; the bad part of the story is that you have
>>>>>> to spend time (or consultants) to get it. For the hardware, many are
>>>>>> using Mikrotik CCR or even slower/cheaper Mikrotik models.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For sure investing more in infrastructure will help a lot :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just my 2 cents
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Having used Allot NetEnforcer for years, then moved to Exinda for
>>>>>> > years, we are now considering removing b

Re: [WISPA] selling brand new equipment

[Tim Reichhart]

Update
only thing is left is:
1 NSM2 $75 
2 TS5POE $ 85 each
4 RB912UAG5HPNDOU $ 75 each

still need these gone by friday morning.

Tim


> -Original Message- 
> From: "Tim Reichhart"  
> To: "WISPA General List"  
> Date: 10/22/14 07:01 PM 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] selling brand new equipment 
> 
> I still have:
> 4 Rocket M2 $75 each
> 1 NSM2 $75 
> 2 TS5POE $ 85 each
> 4 RB912UAG5HPNDOU $ 75 each
> 4 AM2G15 $ 125 each
> 
> free shipping and all this stuff needs to be gone by friday please!!!
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message- 
> > From: "Tim Reichhart"  
> > To: "WISPA General List"  
> > Date: 10/20/14 08:54 PM 
> > Subject: [WISPA] selling brand new equipment 
> > 
> > I am selling brand new equipment:
> > 4 Rocket M2 $75 each
> > 1 NSM2 $75 
> > 2 TS5POE $ 85 each
> > 4 RB912UAG5HPNDOU $ 75 each
> > 5 AIRROUTERHP $55 each
> > 
> > all this comes with free shipping 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] selling brand new equipment

[Tim Reichhart]

I still have:
4 Rocket M2 $75 each
1 NSM2 $75 
2 TS5POE $ 85 each
4 RB912UAG5HPNDOU $ 75 each
4 AM2G15 $ 125 each

free shipping and all this stuff needs to be gone by friday please!!!



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> From: "Tim Reichhart"  
> To: "WISPA General List"  
> Date: 10/20/14 08:54 PM 
> Subject: [WISPA] selling brand new equipment 
> 
> I am selling brand new equipment:
> 4 Rocket M2 $75 each
> 1 NSM2 $75 
> 2 TS5POE $ 85 each
> 4 RB912UAG5HPNDOU $ 75 each
> 5 AIRROUTERHP $55 each
> 
> all this comes with free shipping 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[WISPA] selling brand new equipment

[Tim Reichhart]

I am selling brand new equipment:
4 Rocket M2 $75 each
1 NSM2 $75 
2 TS5POE $ 85 each
4 RB912UAG5HPNDOU $ 75 each
5 AIRROUTERHP $55 each

all this comes with free shipping 






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[WISPA] wireless equipment needs to be gone ASAP

[Tim Reichhart]

I have 4 Ubiquiti AirMax AM-2G15-120 sectors needs to be gone ASAP




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Re: [WISPA] sale of new equipment

[Tim Reichhart]

Only thing is left is the AM2G15's

Thanks Tim


> -Original Message- 
> From: "Tim Reichhart"  
> To: "WISPA General List"  
> Date: 09/30/14 10:19 PM 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] sale of new equipment 
> 
> I have sold most of it whats left is:
> RB750s
> and the AM2G15's
> 
> Thanks Tim
> 
> 
> > -Original Message- 
> > From: "Tim Reichhart"  
> > To: wireless@wispa.org 
> > Date: 09/30/14 09:30 PM 
> > Subject: [WISPA] sale of new equipment 
> > 
> > I am selling my new equipment that I didnt need here is an list:
> > 
> > NBEM5400 x 4 selling them for 80 each
> > R5ACLITE x 2 selling both for 120 each
> > AM2G15 x 4 selling them for 125 each
> > NSM2 x 4 selling them for 70 each
> > ROCKETM2 x 4 selling them for 70 each
> > RB750 x 5 selling them for 35 each
> > LOCOM2 x 5 selling them for 40 each
> > 
> > Free shipping.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] sale of new equipment

[Tim Reichhart]

I have sold most of it whats left is:
RB750s
and the AM2G15's

Thanks Tim


> -Original Message- 
> From: "Tim Reichhart"  
> To: wireless@wispa.org 
> Date: 09/30/14 09:30 PM 
> Subject: [WISPA] sale of new equipment 
> 
> I am selling my new equipment that I didnt need here is an list:
> 
> NBEM5400 x 4 selling them for 80 each
> R5ACLITE x 2 selling both for 120 each
> AM2G15 x 4 selling them for 125 each
> NSM2 x 4 selling them for 70 each
> ROCKETM2 x 4 selling them for 70 each
> RB750 x 5 selling them for 35 each
> LOCOM2 x 5 selling them for 40 each
> 
> Free shipping.
> 
> Thanks
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[WISPA] sale of new equipment

[Tim Reichhart]

I am selling my new equipment that I didnt need here is an list:

NBEM5400 x 4 selling them for 80 each
R5ACLITE x 2 selling both for 120 each
AM2G15 x 4 selling them for 125 each
NSM2 x 4 selling them for 70 each
ROCKETM2 x 4 selling them for 70 each
RB750 x 5 selling them for 35 each
LOCOM2 x 5 selling them for 40 each

Free shipping.

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Re: [WISPA] help with kubuntu and Dude

[Tim Densmore]

  
  
It doesn't appear that you're escaping the space in "Program Files"
- try:
kdesudo wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Dude/dude.exe &

Post full error otherwise.


On 09/05/2014 07:23 PM, Scott Lambert
  wrote:

why are you trying to run a windows app with root
  privileges?
  
  it might help to know what the "..." was. it might not.
  
  On September 5, 2014 7:37:36 PM CDT, "J.
Van Kort"  wrote:

  running kubuntu 14.04LTS
cannot get Dude to run in root mode.  Having issue with the proper 
command line syntax.

Dude is installed at: /home/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Dude/dude.exe

Attempted command line entry: kdesudo wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program 
Files/Dude/dude.exe &

generates an error.  #2758  Cannot find /Home/.

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Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

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Absolutely - I didn't mean to rekindle it here.  I'm just surprised
when I see that kind of viewpoint, and I'm I'm trying to understand
it a little better, hopefully with a lot less saber rattling than in
that thread.  I currently agree with most of the posters in the
NANOG thread, but I've been wrong before.  Many, many times.

Tim

On 07/31/2014 08:42 PM, Mike Lyon
  wrote:

And that was an extremely painful thread on NANOG,
  BTW
  
  On Thursday, July 31, 2014, Mike Lyon <mike.l...@gmail.com>
  wrote:
  
Not this WISP... 


-Mike 

      On Thursday, July 31, 2014, Tim Densmore <tdensm...@tarpit.cybermesa.com>
  wrote:
  
 On 07/31/2014 11:15
  AM, Joe Fiero wrote:
  Netflix,


  Hulu, and the like have created a business model where
  they have no cost to deliver a product to their
  users.  They are using the infrastructure built and
  paid for by others, then stirring up the ignorant
  masses to complain to the FCC about the free Internet.
  Hi Folks,
  
  Just a question - is this the general consensus among list
  members?  I ask because in a recent similar thread on the
  NANOG list there was a WISP owner presenting the same
  argument.  I'm curious whether this is the viewpoint held
  by many WISPs.
  
      Thanks,
  
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Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

[Tim Densmore]

  
  
On 07/31/2014 11:15 AM, Joe Fiero wrote:
Netflix,

Hulu, and the like have created a business model where they have
no cost to deliver a product to their users.  They are using the
infrastructure built and paid for by others, then stirring up
the ignorant masses to complain to the FCC about the free
Internet.
Hi Folks,

Just a question - is this the general consensus among list members? 
I ask because in a recent similar thread on the NANOG list there was
a WISP owner presenting the same argument.  I'm curious whether this
is the viewpoint held by many WISPs.

Thanks,

    Tim Densmore
  

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Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

[Tim Reichhart]

Mike n Chris
but see the problem with these cell phone towers they will not allow you 
personally get on there towers you have to use there sub contractor to do all 
your equipment on there towers from one rep from american tower told me.



-Original Message-
From: Mike Hammett 
To: WISPA General List 
Date: 05/24/14 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

*nods*  They won't have the restricted hours a water tower has either. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 


From: "Chris Fabien"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:55:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's 

One additional note - we found American Tower much much easier to deal with 
than a local village was when we were trying to get on their water tower. We 
will probably not pursue water towers any more. 



On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Chris Fabien < ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: 
We just completed a lease with american tower. Overall they were very 
reasonable to work with, although it did take several months to go through the 
process the first time.  I can share details of pricing off list, but the range 
of $400-700 is what we are seeing in this area depending on the tower. They 
have a couple base WISP packages and equipment above that costs additional per 
month. They do offer promos on under-utilized towers. We did take the step 
pricing on the lease to reduce the initial cost by $100/mo and increase it 
$50/year - same overall cost in the end. There is some additional cost in 
insurance and tower training , to meet their requirements that most WISP will 
not already have. If you are going to do this and need to get tower trained and 
increase insurance, it probably makes sense to do more than just one cell phone 
tower, otherwise that cost makes it much more
expensive. 



On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Tim Reichhart < 
timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote: 
Mike 
see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT Cell 
Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on there 
water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call an other 
village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city mayor told them 
or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for one water tower 
which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted the city mayor and I 
asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the city for the other water 
tower they have and the local WISP was only paying them 100 dollars an month 
for rent. So you got to watch out about these municipalities try to screw you 
over on rent because they automatically think your an cell phone company and 
not an internet service provider. 




-Original Message- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net> 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org> 

Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's 

Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose rent 
totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each...  because that's what 
AT&T or Verizon paid. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Tim Reichhart" < timreichh...@hometowncable.net> 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's 

Brian 
when you say they " do graduated rent increase" what do you mean by that? 
because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water 
towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower Co. 

Tim 

-Original Message- 
From: "Brian Webster" < i...@wirelessmapping.com> 
To: "'WISPA General List'" < wireless@wispa.org> 
Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's 


American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They did 
say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where their 
tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will pay more. 
If the tower is very rural and they don't have a lot or requests for space on 
it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty) they are much more willing 
to talk about lower rent. They did also mention something about any fees being 
able to be billed over 12 months. They also said that they have done deals 
where they do a graduated rent increase in the first couple of years to give 
the WISP a break until they get a revenue stream going on that site.
 
While there will be a lot of WISP's who will say they can still build their own 
towers cheaper, being able to use a major commercial tower company in a way 
that is at least in the ballpark for 

Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

[Tim Reichhart]

Mike
see with these municipalities going have to realize that WISP ARE NOT Cell 
Phone companies and are NOT going to pay 2500+ per month for space on there 
water towers. I ran into that with my village what they did was call an other 
village/city that is 8 miles way from the village and the city mayor told them 
or showed them the contract that sprint was paying them for one water tower 
which was like 2500 dollars. So I got smart and contacted the city mayor and I 
asked about the rent from an local WISP was paying the city for the other water 
tower they have and the local WISP was only paying them 100 dollars an month 
for rent. So you got to watch out about these municipalities try to screw you 
over on rent because they automatically think your an cell phone company and 
not an internet service provider.



-Original Message-
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: 05/23/14 06:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

Some municipalities work very well on rent. I have at least six whose rent 
totals three figures. Others want $2,500/month+ each...  because that's what 
AT&T or Verizon paid. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 


From: "Tim Reichhart"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 2:19:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's 

Brian 
when you say they " do graduated rent increase" what do you mean by that? 
because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water 
towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower Co. 

Tim 

-Original Message- 
From: "Brian Webster"  
To: "'WISPA General List'"  
Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's 


American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They did 
say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where their 
tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will pay more. 
If the tower is very rural and they don't have a lot or requests for space on 
it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty) they are much more willing 
to talk about lower rent. They did also mention something about any fees being 
able to be billed over 12 months. They also said that they have done deals 
where they do a graduated rent increase in the first couple of years to give 
the WISP a break until they get a revenue stream going on that site.
 
While there will be a lot of WISP's who will say they can still build their own 
towers cheaper, being able to use a major commercial tower company in a way 
that is at least in the ballpark for a WISP business model is a major leap in 
the right direction compared to years past.
 
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
 

From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:15 AM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 
 

For $750 / month and 4k startup i'll put up a tower and sell space on it.  Geez.

Can't even get rent here for that in some parts of town

- Original Message -

From:Zach Underwood

To:WISPA General List

Sent:Friday, May 23, 2014 10:07 AM

Subject:Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 

Example. I got pricing from ATC for 200 foot of 250 foot tower in a in a very 
well to do part of town for $750 mrc. Setup cost was $4k. 

 
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

How pricing looked like?

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com   

@aeronetpr

 

 

 

From:Zach Underwood < z...@zachunderwood.me> 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org> 
Date: Friday, May 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 

http://www.americantower.com/corporateus/solutions/solutions-for-industries/wireless-internet-service-providers/index.htm

 
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net> 
wrote:
American tower, yes

On May 23, 2014 9:42 AM, "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

Who has the Wisp friendly program? American Towers?

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com   

@aeronetpr

 

 


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Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

[Tim Reichhart]

Brian 
when you say they " do graduated rent increase" what do you mean by that? 
because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water 
towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower Co.

Tim

-Original Message-
From: "Brian Webster" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's


American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They did 
say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where their 
tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will pay more. 
If the tower is very rural and they don't have a lot or requests for space on 
it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty) they are much more willing 
to talk about lower rent. They did also mention something about any fees being 
able to be billed over 12 months. They also said that they have done deals 
where they do a graduated rent increase in the first couple of years to give 
the WISP a break until they get a revenue stream going on that site.
 
While there will be a lot of WISP's who will say they can still build their own 
towers cheaper, being able to use a major commercial tower company in a way 
that is at least in the ballpark for a WISP business model is a major leap in 
the right direction compared to years past.
 
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
 

From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:15 AM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 
 

For $750 / month and 4k startup i'll put up a tower and sell space on it.  Geez.

Can't even get rent here for that in some parts of town

- Original Message -

From:Zach Underwood

To:WISPA General List

Sent:Friday, May 23, 2014 10:07 AM

Subject:Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 

Example. I got pricing from ATC for 200 foot of 250 foot tower in a in a very 
well to do part of town for $750 mrc. Setup cost was $4k. 

 
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

How pricing looked like?

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com   

@aeronetpr

 

 

 

From:Zach Underwood < z...@zachunderwood.me> 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org> 
Date: Friday, May 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 

http://www.americantower.com/corporateus/solutions/solutions-for-industries/wireless-internet-service-providers/index.htm

 
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net> 
wrote:
American tower, yes

On May 23, 2014 9:42 AM, "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

Who has the Wisp friendly program? American Towers?

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com   

@aeronetpr

 

 


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Re: [WISPA] Small NEMA Enclosures

[Tim Reichhart]

Menards have it for 54.99
Lowes 34.48
Home Depot 33.00


-Original Message-
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small NEMA Enclosures
From: "Ryan Spott" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: 2014/05/01 10:10:16


WHAT?!?!


Where is this?! 


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On May 1, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Erik Anderson < erik.ander...@hocking.net> wrote: 



$8.12 not $32.50 here through 5/5

On 4/30/2014 11:37 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
This works great for the side of a house: $32.50
http://www.lowes.com/pd_126702-74985-57095_0__?productId=1128857>

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Re: [WISPA] Re-Offer Contract From Mine & Engergy

[Tim Kerns]

Wow... can I get in on this too !!





From: mailto:cdfr...@wp.pl 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:17 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Re-Offer Contract From Mine & Engergy






Re-Offer Contract From Mine & Engergy

Engr. Kapano






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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

[Tim Kerns]

When I try to access it, I get redirected to Ikano and mail is not one of their 
listed products...


can someone clarify, please...

Thanks


From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 5:10 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

we started when it was in early beta so we are grandfathered into a free 
account. 

as josh pointed out there is an ISP edition for .35 a user...very much worth it!

-sean




On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Josh Bowsher  wrote:

  Cost per domain or mailbox? I have several domains…..



  Regards,



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  Midway Electronics

  NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
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  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Sean Heskett
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  google apps for your domain.



  easy peasy..never looked back after switching 8 or 9 years ago :-)



  -sean



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Linux Servers running SQL, Radius, Billing software) and hosted mail service? 
All input is appreciated.



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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not thefailedpower companyBPL trials)

[Tim Kerns]

I’ve used the Trendnet units at home and at a couple clients. Not real 
impressed, but I can get connectivity in other parts of the home without 
expense and time of running  Cat5. I don’t remember the throughput, but it was 
no way near specs.  I had one that was also running with the dish slingshot: 
Ethernet over power unit. Had some issues with packet loss, not sure if it was 
caused by the dish device or not.

Tim



rom: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:22 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not thefailedpower companyBPL 
trials)


I'll look them up next week - yes - had as many as four connected.  There was 
no "master" unit, it was all one big "bridge", like having them all on a switch

  - Original Message - 
  From: ralph 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 8:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failedpower 
companyBPL trials)

  Thanks Jay.

  Did you ever try to get more than one remote to connect to a master without 
doing anything special?

  That’s my ultimate goal. And do you remember the model unit you used?

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
  Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:43 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power 
companyBPL trials)

   

   

  Ralph - pretty sure we used the netgear model units and they did not require 
anything more than plug and pray.  Worked great.

   

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From: ralph 

To: 'WISPA General List' 

Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power 
companyBPL trials)

 

Then you may not be talking about what I am talking about.

I think it may have been Duke Power who did some of the 1st generation 
trial/pilots I speak of.  It was quite a while ago,  It was too expensive, 
didn’t work well, and, well, yes it certainly did interfere with licensed users 
(Ham Radio and International broadcasters). It is a part 15 service. It 
transmits on unshielded wires on approximately 2-30 MHz. This covers almost all 
low frequency Ham bands, International broadcast, and CB.  Here is the database 
of the “trials” http://p1k.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/ex2.html#Cities  It is way out 
of date, but there is tons of interesting information here. Unfortunately a 
great many of the links are broken.

 

The two most spectacular failures were those of IBEC, (the company I 
believe Clay is describing) who folded January of 2012. They cited the power 
line disruption from the Southeastern Tornadoes as the reason.  These are the 
same tornadoes that tore up several of us here on this list- especially in 
Alabama!  IBEC was competing with WISPS and all the while causing illegal 
interference to FCC licensed users.


http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-shows-ibec-bpl-systems-are-interfering-violating-fcc-rules

 

The second was the City of Manassas, VA, who started their trial way back 
in 2002. The “plug was pulled” on their BPL in July of 2010.

 

A little Google-ing will find you demonstrations of how horrible the 
interference was.

 

The part 15 rules concerning BPL are very interesting:  47 C.F.R. §15.615  
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/15.615

 

The official database of BPL systems that operators are, per the FCC, 
supposed to list their systems in at least 30 days before beginning operations 
is at  http://www.bpldatabase.org/listing/  IBEC repeatedly violated that FCC 
rule

 

 

 

 

 

The most recent technology (HomePlug) incorporates protection 
(filtering/notching)  for the Amateur bands and is a much more friendly 
neighbor.

 

Speaking of your Radio Shack devices (and I had a lot of them too) – they 
were based on the BSR X10 technology. The 80’s stuff was pretty poor. Later on 
it evolved to be a lot better and even worked bidirectionally, which really 
helped the reliability.  Many home automation companies sprang up to utilize 
the technology. When I was in the burglar business we laughed at the “Car 
Trunkers” trying to sell an alarm based on them- before they were even 2 way.  
My smart thermostat uses the X-10 passive infrared sensors to let it know when 
the different rooms are occupied.

 

And like yours, many of modules are now dead, but I try to keep a few 
around to use to turn the Christmas lights off and on.   That X10 company who 
advertised us to death a few years ago was also responsible for those 2.4 GHz 
analog video cameras that can singlehandedly wipe out the entire 2.4 WiFi band. 
Boy am I glad they don’t advertise like that anymore! They seem to have calmed 
down and are mostly about security and switching again now.

 

 

 

Re: [WISPA] Pasadena Wireless?

[Tim Harris]

Nope, they're still in business.  I just received an order from them on
Thursday.  Frank went to a new vendor for his merchandise and a new website
as well.  Just enter your old username as a customer and follow the
procedure for setting a password, it will then verify and you'll be good to
go.

Actually the new site seems better to me, I like several of the new
functions and it's very easy to navigate.


Tim

Tim Harris
Desert Wireless, LLC



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Sharples
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Pasadena Wireless?

Anyone know what's going on at Pasadena Wireless www.wlanparts.com ? The
website looks "generic" now, and many of their standard products are no
longer available. My account login credentials don't work either. Has the
site been hacked or have they gone out of business?

Tom S.
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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products 900MHZ Frequency Range

[Tim Kerns]

"·Low susceptibility to Interference – due to GPS synchronization"

How do they figure this?

I think it should be Low susceptibility due to SELF interference.

900 in my area, California Central Valley east of the Bay Area, is almost 
useless for 900 as the power companies have put in smart meters

Tim
CV-Access, Inc.


-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products 
900MHZ Frequency Range

Just got this today:

This sounds interesting anyone have any thoughts?  900MHz always
gets the "propagation" advertisement, but my experience has been that
while it propagates better, the gain limitations and size of reasonable
antennas make it unusable.


 Original Message 
Subject: Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products 900MHZ
Frequency Range
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:16:18 +0300
From: Asa Yanai 
To: undisclosed-recipients:;



__

Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products:

v*New 4G/WIMAX  Solution at 900MHZ Frequency Range *

*Combines long Range , High Capacity and low susceptibility to
Interference *

·Long Range - due to 900MHz propagation

·Non Line of Sight – due to 900MHZ propagation and OFDMA technology
(unique to 4G)

·High Capacity – due to 4G/WIMAX  high spectral efficiency (4
bits/sec/Hz) and MIMO utilization

·Low susceptibility to Interference – due to GPS synchronization

·Base Stations and Outdoor CPE's available now

v*New Enhanced WIMAX Base Station with Radius Interface. *

·IEEE.802.16e compliant

·Enables stand alone connection to the NOC without the need of ASN Gateway

·For additional features please refer to the attached  brochure

For more information please contact :

*/Asa Yanai/*

RUNCOM USA

V.P Business Development & Marketing USA

Cell: 917 848 3753

Email: a...@runcom.com <mailto:a...@runcom.com>

or

*/Israel Koffman/*

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Skype: Israel.Koffman

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Re: [WISPA] IPV6 address allocation

[Tim Densmore]

Networks longer than /64 break SLAAC which may be desirable or 
undesirable, depending on what you're doing.


The info at this site is what I frequently see/hear currently - 
http://www.ipbcop.org/ratified-bcops/bcop-ipv6-subnetting/


In general:
Subnet at the nibble boundary
Do everything you can to make sure that you can aggregate routes
Use /48 for customer allocations (though many people use /56 currently)
Use /64 or /126 or /127 (or LL) for P2P links
Use /128 for loopbacks

As with anything, look at what other forks are doing, read the BCPs and 
RFCs, and then do what you feel makes the most sense.


TD

On 12/10/2012 1:07 PM, Arthur Stephens wrote:
Thinking of splitting our /32 up into large enough subnets to cover 
existing and future equipment on our network. Seems that assigning 
/112 IPV6 to currently assigned /24 IPV4 networks would be more than 
enough addresses. Any thoughts? Ideas?


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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials

[Tim Densmore]

On 11/28/2012 9:47 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 15:46 -0500, Blair Davis wrote:
>> >Learn RouterOS.
>> >By Dennis out at Link Technologies
> A better book, IMO, is this one:
> http://www.amazon.com/RouterOS-by-Example-ebook/dp/B006U3MP7W  for kindle
> andhttp://www.learnmikrotik.com/index.php/get-the-book.html  for the
> paper.

So, what I guess I'm hearing is that the two obvious book options on 
amazon are more or less the *only* two options.  I Have read some of ROS 
by Example, and while I'm sure it's a fantastic book for some purposes, 
it's not really what I'm looking for (contains lots of motivational 
speak, contains lots of winbox screenies, doesn't appear to cover the 
CLI, and doesn't give an in depth view of the technologies).  The other 
book gets a couple of really bad reviews, but I'll certainly download 
the kindle sample and read it.

Anyone have any info on the videos that Dennis is selling?  Looking at 
them, I can't even tell how long each is or what topics are covered in 
each, etc.


Thanks again,

TD
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[WISPA] Mikrotik Books/Study Materials

[Tim Densmore]

Hi Folks,

Hopefully this isn't too far off subject for this list.

I want to start learning a little more about mikrotik, but I'm having 
trouble finding good study resources.  I've looked at the wiki, and 
while good, it's more of a cookbook than a tech-pub, at least IMO.  I 
don't want "How to replace your linksys with an MT" and don't need a lot 
of extra text to slog through that's mostly present to keep me 
engaged/motivated.  I'm very used to reading Cisco's doc-cd (or whatever 
they're calling it these days) and honestly prefer technically rich but 
direct and to the point.  I'd also prefer CLI examples rather than 
looking at rescaled screenies from winbox.  Does such a beast exist?  If 
not, what's the standard way to delve in to ROS?

As an example of what I'm running up against, I'll use queuing.  I use 
DSCP markings on the network I manage to differentiate traffic. I was 
stunned to discover that MT (apparently) can't simply match existing 
DSCP markings and act on them, but instead requires me to match them, 
give them some internal packet mark, and then act on those non-DSCP 
markings.  I wanted to better understand what was really going on inside 
the router, and wanted to verify that what I thought I understood was 
really the case.  I read the wiki pages on HTB and Queues, but I still 
don't truly understand how to guarantee, say EF tagged traffic, a 
certain amount of bandwidth other than limit-at= and a higher relative 
priority setting (priority=1?).  But is that single queue enough, or do 
I also need to create what in cisco-land would be "class-default?"  TBH, 
I still don't even understand how and what MT uses internally to "mark" 
packets with tags like "VoipTraffic" or whatever.  Obviously the packet 
isn't being marked with an ascii string...

Ideas?  Better place to ask this?

Thanks!

TD
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

[Tim Warnock]

> Either they have to configure PPPoE or I have to configure NAT. If they use
> PPPoE, they don't pass 1500 byte packets (I've asked about raising the MTUs
> above 1500 to accommodate, and no one had an answer) and they have to
> configure the router. You use DHCP and now either you can't do the
> bandwidth shaping or you have to mess with knowing their router's MAC
> address.

On your trusty cisco:
!
bba-group pppoe global
 tag ppp-max-payload minimum 1508 maximum 1530
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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Tim Kerns]

I just put up 2 new solar panels yesterday to replace 2 that were now to small 
of wattage to cover the expanded load at the tower.

Panels with no load were putting out 35 vdc, at the batteries with load I was 
seeing 28 vdc.

I use the tycon voltage regulator to maintain 24 vdc to the radios. Added cost, 
yes, but this is a remote site with important backhaul and I don’t need to burn 
a radio out.

I was also taking 12 vdc from one of the batteries, but found it would drain it 
in about 2 weeks... the batteries do not charge evenly, maybe one of our EE 
members can explain this. 

4 12 vdc batteries, 2 in series, then the 2 sets in parallel., most equipment 
is taken from the 24 vdc, one switch takes power from the 12 vdc. Why does this 
not keep all batteries charged equally, when using the solar at +27 volts.

Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:49 AM
To: WISPA General List ; fai...@snappydsl.net 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

Because batteries are 27v.

On Oct 18, 2012 10:45 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

  Call me Stupid... but what is the point of this discussion ?

  Operating the Radios @ 27V is exceeding the Mfg. Specs. .
   Will they work ?  maybe...
   Will they fail ?  maybe
   If you burn them up. you are on your own.. ? or at least at
  UBNT's discretion, since you are voiding the warranty, by operating our
  of Specs.
   Will it shorten the life of the Radio  ?   maybe...
   Will is just work fine ?   maybe.

  This reminds me of the discussions on the CPU Over-Clockers Forum..
  If you want to play, sure nothing wrong with that.. but you are on
  your own ..
  If you expect it to preform well for a long time, then it is best to
  stay within the Mfg. Specs ...

  I have often said this to folks In our industry, when you exceed
  Specs things don't just 'break' but they do start doing 'funky
  stuff'

  Of Course YMMV

  :)

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom

  On 10/18/2012 10:06 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
  >   We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1 volts at the top with no 
load.
  >   Obviously load will have an impact on this.
  >
  >   Justin
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Jeromie Reeves 
  > Reply-To: WISPA General List 
  > Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:15 AM
  > To: WISPA General List 
  > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
  >
  >> That depends on wire size. That distance is not going to be ethernet
  >> so I will assume #12 AWG, 400ft, copper wire, etc. You should be
  >> seeing a 5.6% drop under a 1amp load or about 25v under load.
  >>
  >>
  >> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
  >>>  27 volts at the base.  DC has very little loss over 400-500 foot
  >>> distances.  We are seeing about .1 volt loss on a 400 foot run.
  >>>
  >>> -Original Message-
  >>> From: Scott Lambert 
  >>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
  >>> Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:16 AM
  >>> To: 
  >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
  >>>
  >>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14:03PM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote:
  >>>>>   Many UBNT deployments running at 27volts of clean DC power. Not
  >>>>> saying it's ideal but it works.
  >>>> 27v at the ethernet port or 27v at the base of the tower?
  >>>>
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