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From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)
> While I agree with the basic concept of net neutrality, I wonder what
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Tom,
Random mixed thoughts:
When I buy a car or a sweater, I understand the tangible asset I have paid
for.
When I pay a toll on
Charles Wu wrote:
When considering net neutrality and its implications (e.g., allowing the TV
company to stream video over your network) -- I'm am trying to point out
that it's not simply a matter of bandwidth from the tower to the customer,
but also the tower backbone all the way to your NOC
According to Eric Lee, most of the 500+ members of Congress don't
understand any of this stuff, but have to write a bill that does. Hence,
do you really think that Congress or the FCC takes in to account the
difference between fiber and wireless? How about the cable system and
the PSTN? How abo
>I was simply responding to your statement regarding just the last mile
>transport. If you want to include other considerations in the discussion
>then I don't understand your earlier email.
When considering net neutrality and its implications (e.g., allowing the TV
company to stream video over
The 1.5/256 DSL service is still offered under a tariff, which is why I
believe it is the only service you can order without a commercial
agreement with BellSouth.
-Matt
Peter R. wrote:
What tariff rate? DSL is unregulated and de-tariffed.
It is also subsidized by voice services, since it us
What tariff rate? DSL is unregulated and de-tariffed.
It is also subsidized by voice services, since it uses the same copper
pair.
Billing is miniscule (less than $1) because you already get a bill.
Their IP and ATM combined cost is less than $2 per subscriber.
The real overhead is tech support
Charles,
Many do indeed :)
- Peter
Charles Wu wrote:
But that's just the last mile local loop -- what about the ATM DS-3 circuit
coming back (and so forth)
Then there's servicing costs / etc
Keep in mind -- Bell copper has been amortized for quite a long time now --
and has been installed at
Tom DeReggi wrote:
The difference here is that you currently appear to offer adequate QOS
on your network design to offer a better Quality service. Many WISPs
do NOT. Because they went after a different market that did not
require it. And many of them will likely not beable to upgrade their
Charles Wu wrote:
But that's just the last mile local loop -- what about the ATM DS-3 circuit
coming back (and so forth)
Then there's servicing costs / etc
I was simply responding to your statement regarding just the last mile
transport. If you want to include other considerations in the di
Matt,
Sounds like legislators or reading maketing advertisements instead of
acceptable use policies and fine print of broadband contracts.
What makes you come to that conclusion?
Well... you can't make Net Neutrality Laws without considering how ISPs
would be capable of technically deliver
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Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 12:28 PM
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It is? IIRC, the tariff price of 1.5 meg DSL from BellSouth is $23.95.
-Matt
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)
Content is supposed to get a free ride since we all sell data pipes. If
a customer buys 1 meg of data service from me then they are free to use
that 1 meg for whatever they want. If that isn't enough bandwidth for
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 8:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Save the Internet (Net Neutrality)
Content is suppose
After attending the Freedom to Connect conference, I was able to get a
very up close and personal look at the people who are strongly
supporting the Net Neutrality concepts. I believe that the intention
is to keep the status quo of the Internet, and make sure that we will
all be able to get t
Tom,
Random mixed thoughts:
When I buy a car or a sweater, I understand the tangible asset I have
paid for.
When I pay a toll on a highway, I understand that it is a tax for the
thru-way upkeep.
When I buy an internet pipe, I assume when they say 1.5M, I get 1.5M.
Anything else better be expl
Tom DeReggi wrote:
When someone sells 1 mbps of speed, who said that meant they are
selling the customer continuous 1 mbps for what ever use they want?
And just because we sell them a 1 mbps last mile, who says that we are
selling them that capacity accross our backbone network?
You may over
Jack,
I have not visited the site yet, and at your recommendation, I will explore
their content, to see if it is something that I would support or not.
However, if only 6 ISPs have signed, that could be a sign, that it may not
support our needs.
I believe in Freedom of Speech, but I also be
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Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:49 AM
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I don't know , Travis, web pages voip ftp streaming music occasional movies
low bandwidth streaming video, no problem.
But what if, what if tomorrow Travis wakes up
Very powerful statement!!!
Jory Privett
WCCS
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From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:43 AM
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Well, that the big misunders
t. My fear is that one
day the Internet will go away, but because it will become the Verizon or SBC
Network.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General
I don't agree with this sentiment at all.
The problem has always been (dating back to 2000) that Indie ISPs did
not join the regulatory process. A few here and there. Then no traction
was made. We lost. And the ISP was right: see, we can't win. Ha! You
can't win when you don't even particpate.
Content is supposed to get a free ride since we all sell data pipes. If
a customer buys 1 meg of data service from me then they are free to use
that 1 meg for whatever they want. If that isn't enough bandwidth for
what they want then they better buy more. Over time will the customer be
able to
"WE" aren't going to be able to do anything. Do you have millions to
lobby this (one way or the other)? We will sit back and watch what
happens, just like we ALWAYS have to do.
The smaller WISPs have never influenced anything political. It's the big
players that make the changes.
Travis
Micr
lation of Net Neutrality...correct?
-Charles
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 1:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA Genera
Peter R. wrote:
Isn't there a clause in your AUP about total usage in a month?
How about 30 days notice to affect a price change?
I don't have a bit cap in place. I serve a more mature residential
market place. I do have some cam customers and a few heavy users. The
way I look at my custome
It is a stretch peter.
But you have to look at both ends of the argument, if you agree content
providers will prevail in the future and you accept that the pipe has to
get bigger, you can only come to the conclusion that the provider will
have increased costs.
Can the wisp actually raise thi
If Google and Amazon are going along (and all the news I am getting is
that they are fighting this), it would be horrible for the Internet. Do
you know how many things would break? SSL, Terminal services, AS/400,
banking, VPN, VoIP, etc.
The economic engine would crawl. BUT wireless and smaller
That is one huge IF! Cuz how would they make money?
If it did happen, you could always change your pricing model.
Isn't there a clause in your AUP about total usage in a month?
How about 30 days notice to affect a price change?
- Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc.
George Rogato wrote:
I don't know , Travis
More info on the Net Neutrality fight here:
www.rad-info.net/fcc/
It includes a link to a video to explain it to your customers as well as
a TV star's blog post about her take on it.
- Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc.
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The problem is that the users expect everything for as cheap as they can
get it and most ilec dsl isn't bit capped neither is cable modems. The
competitive nature of this beast is going to restrain us from charging
our customers more.
It's better if you can actually get the content providers t
If Google wants to be faster, let them buy more T-3s or more peering, or
whatever-don't screw with packet priority...
John
Travis Johnson wrote:
Hi,
The flip side is that you are selling a customer a connection. That is
how YOU are making your money... why do you care what they run over
it?
It seems like it is time to bill by the packet.
Or at least by groups of packets as in 2 Gigs for $39.
Many clients don;t like this kind of billing, but it is likely the only
way you can do anything about IPTV.
If you have sold someone a 384k unmetered connection, and they decide to
actual
I don't know , Travis, web pages voip ftp streaming music occasional
movies low bandwidth streaming video, no problem.
But what if, what if tomorrow Travis wakes up and reads in his newspaper
that the local cable company or satellite co is going to offer a
substantial discount if the just unpl
Hi,
The flip side is that you are selling a customer a connection. That is
how YOU are making your money... why do you care what they run over it?
Does it matter if it's IPTV or doing an FTP file transfer?
However, I really don't think this is going to affect the "smaller"
operators. This bi
While I agree with the basic concept of net neutrality, I wonder what
will happen with IPTV-VOD and the stress it puts on a broadband
providers network.
If there is any application that I can think of that changes the rules
of net neutrality it would be IPTV. I understand some will say you sol
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