Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Steve Stroh
Motorola designed Canopy specifically for the WISP market, not the carrier market. Alvarion designed VL specifically for the carrier market, not the WISP market. Thanks, Steve On Apr 11, 2006, at 18:55, Dylan Oliver wrote: How is any product qualified as 'Carrier-Grade'? What is it

RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Charles Wu
snip Motorola designed Canopy specifically for the WISP market, not the carrier market. Alvarion designed VL specifically for the carrier market, not the WISP market. /snip Ah, the mis-perceptions of the rugged metal enclosure =) Steve, can you please explain why carriers would prefer a

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Michael Watson
Hello, Maybe my math is off this morning, for lack of coffee but 2286 Kbit does not equal 22000 Kbit   (2.286 Mbit does not equal 22 Mega bit.) which is what I thought I saw at first glance. So if that was KBYTE (which I think it is) instead of Kbit (Kb vs KB) 2286 KBYTE x 8 = 18288

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Steve Stroh
John: Here's my working definition of carrier grade: Designed for use by carriers Suitable for use by carriers Sufficiently reliable for use by carriers There is MUCH that goes into a product designed for use by carriers. It's expensive and a tough market, so a lot of vendors don't try. Here

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Actually 2,286 KBytes/sec is 22.86 mbps as compared to the way Telcos rate their ADSL throughput, so I use the same x10 method. The quote of 35 mbps and higher is between two radios whereas the copy and paste shows through ten radios. Obviously to get 22 mbps at the end there is a higher rate in

Re: [WISPA] out-sourced billing/collections

2006-04-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
We found outsourcing tracking the customer billing was not a savings because we have to much stuff linked to customer records, that would be just replicating the work. For example, having customerrecords links to tickets, scripting provisioning, etc. or having Third party outsourced support

[WISPA] Government grants

2006-04-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
Anyone know any thing about HUD Block grants, these guys qualified for? Looks like these guys got government funding from three different government sources, including the feds to deploy broadband. one of the most significant WiMAX deployments to date, regional Midwest service provider

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
Lonnie, Unfortuneately, not having UDP tests, does not allow accurate results. The reason is that UDP will show the point at which packet loss will occur, and at what percentage. Without that similar data, a TCP test is pointless. I see some people do TCP speed tests (a method other than

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
PS. UDP tests usually need to be run with Dynamic Modulation features disabled. ISPs that delver telco grade services usually need to operate without Dynamic moduilation anyway, to consistently guarantee the link capacity available to tenants, and set at a speed that can deliver reliabilty

Re: [WISPA] Re: CPE Cost Ideas Needed

2006-04-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
Blair, I agree, our environments are different, each allowing each of us to deliver different business models, each appropriate for our own markets. One of the things I'm learning is, as awireless provider, I live in the wrong town:-) I'd make more money in this business, if I moved to

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
This may be the case, but the test we perform seems to describe what we see in real life use. As long as you have consistency it does not matter what you do. The ability to compare apples to apples is what is truly important, and since we began to use TCP many years ago, we still continue to do

[WISPA] request for comment w.r.t Canadian 700mhz

2006-04-12 Thread Carl A Jeptha
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/insmt-gst.nsf/en/sf08457e.html# As this requires a smart and intelligent response, and as I've always been accused of being rude and obnoxious ( maybe I should write technical manuals) I would like a template of some sorts for all Canadian wisps to use.

Re: [WISPA] Tech Support Call Center Interest ?

2006-04-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
Rick, I'm sure you'd do well at anything you put your mind to, and I'm sure you are capable. However, the only advice I can give is... The key to success is finding the time to manage your company. The only real person that can be trusted to do that well are the people that have stake in

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
What we do is measure non compressible data and that becomes the absolute max I will let someone ask for. That means with compressible data we do better than they expect. No harm done, we figure. Lonnie On 4/12/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. UDP tests usually need to be run

Re: [WISPA] Re: CPE Cost Ideas Needed

2006-04-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
One of the reasons to use Trango is All products, 900, 2.4, 5.3, 5.8. PTP, allhave a common sceme. Linktest command - to diagnose link health. Dual Polarity on the Fly - to quickly adapt, and repairnetwork interference. Low Price - For small communities deployments, lowest CPE price

RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread danlist
Lonnie, Is the WAR/staros platform working PTMP or is it PTP? Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Carl A Jeptha
Here's the reply for all answers. Look at the name of the association. WISPA. We are not carriers, we Do Not get listed on the stock-exchange, we do not have money to burn. This is the reason for our existence. We deliver the goods where these fools fear to tread. A Microcell with 10 customers

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
Steve, excellent points. except... (also see inline) By your definition of Carrier grade, I could argue that many WISPs that just so happen not to use Alvarion, may very well better meet the definition of carrier grade than the carriers themselves. One of the negatives about the Alvarion

Re: [WISPA] Error in Press Release

2006-04-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
John, I have to say, somewhat of an embaressing situation. I sent out a few protests to my representatives as well, based on the press release. We definately need to be clear on the understanding of this proposed bill. If it is as good as the text posted most recently correctly the

[WISPA] PPPoE w/Radius Question

2006-04-12 Thread Scott Reed
I am planning to move to PPPoE with Radius backend.  I have it all working on the bench.  In fact, with a couple of differnet scenarios, which leads to the questions. I am going to use Mikrotik at each POP, so will have 3 APs coming into the MT.  Each AP on its own subnet. Do you have Radius

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
Ok, assuming Real World Test win. How does your TCP test handle packet loss? Does it slow the test down to attempt to reduce packet loss until its gone? Thats what real world applications do, like FTP, and the real performance subscribers see, regardless of the Link's abilty to pass test

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Travis Johnson
Tom, I am confused about your testing. If you are testing a link, and it has 2% packet loss, then the link is going to run 2%-4% slower due to the loss, therefore the results will reflect that loss. Ever run a speed test across a link with 50% loss? If it's set to a 2Mbps connection, you

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
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RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Chad Halsted
I hope you enjoy yours as much as I have mine. :D From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP Chad, Based on your post, I just

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
I am missing something here. You say a TCP test runs full speed even in the face of packet loss. My experience does not bear this out. We see good results in our tests because we have links with little or no packet loss. You can be assured that throughput results drop in the face of packet

Re: [WISPA] Tech Support Call Center Interest ?

2006-04-12 Thread Peter R.
Tom, The key to growth in business is hiring the right people. You can successfully run more than one business at the same time with capable employees - as well as processes, procedures and controls in place. (This is the key to franchising and the E-Myth, btw). Three problems: 1) Finding

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread Steve Stroh
Tom: My defense of Alvarion is pretty mild. They're definitely drifting down the innovation curve, not up. They're incredibly arrogant about not doing Wi-Fi despite the growing, impressive wins of Wi-Fi mesh vendors. They're not doing mesh, etc. They now are involved pretty deeply in the

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread George
I've always looked at Alvarion as being carrier grade or as close as anything I've seen. And they are a fine company. George Steve Stroh wrote: Tom: My defense of Alvarion is pretty mild. They're definitely drifting down the innovation curve, not up. They're incredibly arrogant about

Re: [WISPA] Tech Support Call Center Interest ?

2006-04-12 Thread Rick Smith
point well made. My partner and I run 4 business simultaneously. We've put all the right people in the right places, and yes it took time to figure out who the right people were. That #3 on your list is the hardest part though. :) R Peter R. wrote: Tom, The key to growth in business is