Re: [WISPA] VOIP consultants?

2006-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
I'd recommend "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> who is both knowledge and has relationships with many VoIP providers. -Matt Chadd Thompson wrote: Anyone know of any VOIP consultants? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wi

Re: [WISPA] VOIP consultants?

2006-08-18 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
I too would give Peter a high recommendation. Peter has EARNED my loyalty more than once. He has a wealth of knowledge, diverse portfolio and is in the deal for the long-term relationship -- not the immediate sale! - Cliff On 8/18/06 7:09 AM, "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd rec

Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Lonnie is famous for hijacking threads Regardless of the original thread topic, I'd argue that... The goal is to find a manufacturer that can deliver what we need, the complete solution, at the price we need. If someone can do that, there is not much more to find out, in my mind. Its not abou

RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2

2006-08-18 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Let me add that the new version of StarOs is passing vlans like a charm... Kudos for Valemount for such a quick response to customer request... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROT

Re: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Although I see your point, how would it be inforced? When they didn't make quota, do the ones that did get installed jsut get shut off when spectrum gets returned. Allocating spectrum based on empty promises is not good practice either. What they aught to do is have the selling price and give a

Re: [WISPA] Re: StarOS

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "cw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Re: StarOS With the nazi administration currently in power, one should thin

[WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Just completed install for client, that we quoted blind. The supposed Near-LOS partial freznel obstruction from a building, unfortuneately turned out to really mean NON-LOS through thick row of pine trees between buildings. Buildings were probably 600 yards away from each other. The Trango

RE: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

2006-08-18 Thread Rick Smith
I'm NOT reading this right when you combine "46 Mbps" and "900 mhz" in the same paragraph ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success st

Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

2006-08-18 Thread Travis Johnson
Tom, How would the WAR/V3 solution have worked any better than the Routerboard 532 solution? You had to know that the RB532 would only do about 20Mbps of actual throughput, so why would you quote that to begin with? Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Just completed install for client, t

Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story I'm NOT reading this right when y

Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
I usually use 900Mhz to tackle Pine trees for up to 3 mbps, and only made reference to it from past experience. My link in the post was with Atlas 5.8Ghz PTP. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

2006-08-18 Thread Tim Kerns
Tom, Am I missing your reply .? this is the 2nd post from you this am that is only you signature. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story Tom De

Re: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale

2006-08-18 Thread Rich Comroe
Way back in the time known as "BC" ... (that's "Before Cellular"), the FCC authorized different frequency coordinators in various markets to manage licenses. An applicant applied to the frequency coordinator for the frequency, lat, lon, and power of a desired station, the frequency coordinator

RE: [WISPA] DirecTV, EchoStar reduce bidding in wireless sale

2006-08-18 Thread David Weddell
I am always amazed at the ideas that come out of this list. I totally agree with Rich here about how the federal government keeps finding ways to slow down the entrepreneurial spirit with their greed. It is like the frog story. (When you put a frog in boiling water, it will jump out of your pot. If

Re: [WISPA] Anyone had success with SR9 and Trango CPEs at 900Mhz? [ed: s/Trango/Tranzeo?]

2006-08-18 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
Yes, I meant Tranzeo! On 8/16/06, Dylan Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't remember anything about Trango and SR9; maybe you're thinking Tranzeo. On 8/16/06, rabbtux rabbtux <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > Read here awhile back that a new Trango 900Mhz cpe used the same > Atheros chipset tha

[WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread chris cooper
It sounds like several of you here build your own radios and use off the shelf antennas.  So if I buy a board, cards and an antenna what are my obligations to FCC as far as having a certified system in production?  Thanks for the education   Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@w

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread John Scrivner
The rules state that any radio / antenna combination has to either be a certified system or that a substitute antenna used would have to meet the same specs as one used for certification in a system. Many think that this means "anything goes". The truth is that there are almost certainly a good

Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Travis, How would the WAR/V3 solution have worked any better than the Routerboard 532 solution? The WAR board has faster CPU, and can push the full 35 mbps. The solution needed to be a fully outdoor mountable system. You had to know that the RB532 would only do about 20Mbps of actual thro

Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Sorry, my mouse button keeps sticking, and making me send blank replies. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

2006-08-18 Thread Travis Johnson
Tom, The other issue regarding RB532 or StarOS on a WAR board is the lack of FCC certification. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Travis, How would the WAR/V3 solution have worked any better than the Routerboard 532 solution? The WAR board has faster CPU, and can push the full 35 mbp

RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Patrick Leary
John is 100% accurate. Also, with respect to using your own antenna, even with that new relaxation of the rules, it ONLY applies to manufacturers, NOT operators. What is does is to enable manufacturers to self-certify additional antennas so long as the power is the same or less as the originally ce

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Take note that there are different legalities based on wether you are manufacturering/ selling a product versus using it for your own use on your property. And if its your customers propery versus yours.    The only other advice that I have, is that if you are providing uncertified solution

Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Exactly. Which is why those two vendors need to give more for less. The benefit has to be so great, that its worth taking the chance to use it. With the newer more flexible rules though, its much safer to install than 2 years ago, giving us more selection of antenna brands. And just because unc

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Jack Unger
John, Should WISPA consider publishing on our website a list of certification labs? It seems that our industry needs someone to step up and take on a leadership role and WISPA seems (to me anyway) to be the perfect organization to perform this role. We could start by simply polling our list

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Patrick, Not exactly. What you said is mostly true, and to the letter of the original text, but there are added flexibilties. It doesn't need to be the antenna that the manufacturer actually sells. For example, if the manufacturer OEMed a MTI antenna for certification, operators can now use

RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Patrick Leary
For sure. It has nothing to do with how the antenna is sold or sourced. What is clear however is that as operators, you do not have the choice. Such flexibility is ONLY given to the manufacturers. I was in the room where Marlon pressed them on this point hard and they would not bend. For the FCC, t

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread John Scrivner
This sounds like a good idea. I am sure we could add a link to a listing of certification labs. We also need to push manufacturers to certify. Without some pressure from us the certification will just look like more cost with little to gain to manufacturers. Pressure from customers would make t

RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Patrick Leary
We have a pretty vigorous approved third party antenna list, but I believe we are somewhat of the exception in terms of this facility. Patrick Leary AVP Marketing Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
No need to push manufactures when you can just not buy their product. Why would you want to take the business risk of not buying a certified radio? I mean Trango sells radios plenty cheap and they're certified. Canopy is also cheap and also certified. -Matt John Scrivner wrote: This sounds li

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Jason
All, $0.02: A while back there was a discussion (The FCC even included it in the latest dialog about part 15, I think) about the possibility of a person becoming certified to work with unlicensed equipment. If this afforded a person a real advantage (say being able to mix and match compo

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Jack Unger
Patrick, From my perspective, Alvarion HAS set a pretty high standard in terms of marketing certified equipment. Can you research the certification labs that Alvarion has used and give us the names of those labs so that others will know where to go for reliable certification services? Thanks

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Jack Unger
Matt, I agree with John's suggestion that we need to push manufacturers to certify. We could request that manufacturers indicate the certification status of their equipment on their websites, their spec sheets, and their advertising material. We could even create the artwork and make availabl

RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Patrick Leary
That's easy. From the FCC site: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearchResult.cfm And here is the search location: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm Patrick Leary AVP Marketing Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.

RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Patrick Leary
Disregard the first link. Instead, just type U.S. in the country field and hit enter within the search page. You will pull up 149 labs. WISPA should not re-create the wheel. The FCC site has a wealth of great info and WISPA should simply link to it. It will also get WISPs in the habit of going to

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
Jack Unger wrote: You ask - "Why would we need to push manufacturers when a WISP could just NOT buy a non-certified product"? Because half of the WISPs out there don't even realize that certification is required by law. WISPA can perform a valuable public service by simply providing knowledge

Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

2006-08-18 Thread Mario Pommier
Tom, Real basic question: Can you explain the comment on wishing to have the "War/V3 solution"? What would War/V3 have given you? Mario Tom DeReggi wrote: Just completed install for client, that we quoted blind. The supposed Near-LOS partial freznel obstruction from a building, unf

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Jack Unger
Patrick - Thank you. Patrick Leary wrote: That's easy. From the FCC site: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearchResult.cfm The above link didn't work for me. And here is the search location: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm Th

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Jack Unger
Matt, My response to your questions are inline, below. jack Matt Liotta wrote: Jack Unger wrote: You ask - "Why would we need to push manufacturers when a WISP could just NOT buy a non-certified product"? Because half of the WISPs out there don't even realize that certification is require

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
I was in the room where Marlon pressed them on this point hard and they would not bend. http://www.rapiddsl.net/latest_news/FccVisitOct2004.htm Thats right, you were there Patrick. (PS. Your wherever Wireless goes, DSL follows speach rocked!) And you are right, Marlon was pressing hard, and

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
Jack Unger wrote: First, our "small group" can certainly influence manufacturers. The voice of an industry trade organization (which is what we are) carries a lot of weight if we simply decide to use that voice to speak out. Only if we say nothing, will our voice carry no weight. In that case,

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Because its certified system, not certified radio. Many of the manufacturers do not provide antennas that are always available. Just this month, Trangos DSS dishes were not available, it was buy your own, or don't earn revenue for a month. Or use a Andrews 3 ft dish with better RF characterist

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Jack, One thing that is undisputable, is that Manufacturers have been given the power to make their list of equivellent products that would be certified and now its super cheap for them to do it with the relaxed rules. I agree, the best method to solve this problem is to encourage our manufac

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread George Rogato
One reason the non certified manufacturers are not certifying their equipment is because of the changes that take place in such short time periods. To certify a system, the radio card, the antenna AND "the board" which drives the card has to be certified together as a complete system. The ro

RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Patrick Leary
Hi Tom, I remember our nice little seafood feast afterward too (is George on the WISPA list also?). As I recall, the conversation revolved around certified gear. The rules change they made did not include or cover uncertified systems, because I would assume, by definition, they do not exist as part

Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
The WAR/V3 would have given me profit. I probably would have only got 35mbps instead of the 45mbps, but the specs of job was 30 mbps. $3000-$1000 means I'd have $2000 in my pocket, and today for lunch I'd be eating steak instead of canned Tuna. As stated before, its not about what is the best

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Ron Wallace
Patrick,   Man, you coughed those URLs up pretty fast.  Thanks for your participation in this list, you always have something educational, and you share your knowledge openly.  Glsd you decided to come back.  Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile

RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Patrick Leary
Ron, I did not know them offhand, but I have faith both in the wealth of info on the FCC’s site and in the ability of a well-phrased Google search to find the right page!   Patrick Leary AVP Marketing Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 Fr

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Patrick, You are right on target, I agree with everything that you have just said. I would like to see an independent body that could provide WISP technician certification that the FCC could accept Great Idea. Let me ask you this: would you willingly warranty and support your end user's end

Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

2006-08-18 Thread Travis Johnson
Tom, What did you use to test the actual throughput of the link? Even on the bench with two laptops I was never able to get more than 35Mbps of actual tcp throughput. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: The WAR/V3 would have given me profit. I probably would have only got 35mbps instead o

[WISPA] Trango help- New AP Firmware and 5800 SUs

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
In order to support ARQ and M5580 SUs, the Trango 5830AP must be upgraded to the newest Firmware v2.0r2. It states in the Firmware tech notes, that it support sellecting which CPEs are ARQ enabled by setting its SUID. 1-500 = ARQ CPE, 501-8190 no-ARQ. However, I have an exusting 5800 SU on the s

Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
I assume you are asking about Trango... Initially, we used the native trango tests, linktest 54 54, and got 45 mbps actual throughput. In addition, the technician used Iperf TCP from the two laptops plugged directly into the radios. I'm not sure the exact speed the tech got with Iperf, but he

[WISPA] Pac Wireless Enclosures

2006-08-18 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Title: Pac Wireless Enclosures Anyone know were to buy some… everyone its out of stock…. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.o

Re: [WISPA] Trango help- New AP Firmware and 5800 SUs

2006-08-18 Thread Travis Johnson
Yes, you can upgrade the AP firmware and everything will still work fine. And there is no need to change the SU number either. We have many older 5800SU's attached to upgraded 5830AP's with no problems (all with SU numbers less than 500). Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: In order to suppo

[WISPA] Marlon at work...

2006-08-18 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
http://neofast.net/users/mark/pics/wp/onladder.jpg -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/