Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn

2011-01-26 Thread Stuart Pierce
Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root of the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they

Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn

2011-01-26 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Yep, I hear you Stuart. So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid . Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com www.FarmingtonForum.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: Stuart Pierce

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)

2011-01-26 Thread Stuart Pierce
Mac Dearman, that Scottish guy. Michelob Ultra, what the heck is up with that. -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:44:30 -0500 Yes I won a nice 5ghz moto

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one

Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn

2011-01-26 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having the ip/user information (but really, isps should have at least that) and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some politicians have been watching to

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
You should have known that! We are facebook friends! Where were you hiding all these years Josh? I have been active on the lists since 2004 and don't ever remember seeing your name, but just out of no-where you seem to have appeared and already know everything and now I am seeing your name all

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Sneaky, sneaky sir. I don't do much on Facebook. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.comwrote: You should have known that! We are facebook friends! Where were you

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sigh.I think I have a couple pairs of shoes that are older than you guys. :-) Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:16 AM To:

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread St. Louis Broadband
LOL Jeff, I hear ya . ;-) Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick -

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread Josh Luthman
So buy some new shoes! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.netwrote: Sigh…I think I have a couple pairs of shoes that are older than you guys… J Regards,

Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn

2011-01-26 Thread Forbes Mercy
I want that NCIS computer where every search takes a while but comes back with a BEEP BEEP so everyone knows in the room that they had results. Oh and the searches they do on cell is instantaneous plus they get in to every ISP without even a second thought. TV is just that entertainment, it

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread Forbes Mercy
Hey me too I was 17 in 1975 :) On 1/26/2011 7:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread Blake Covarrubias
On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Punk kids unite!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.comwrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread Mike Bushard Jr
I was 21. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.comwrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Lets all unite and take over the world! Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread ~NGL~
I WAS 42 From: Mike Bushard Jr Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - I was 21. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread ~NGL~
YOU CAN HAVE IT, WE SCREWED IT UP From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Lets all unite and take over the world! Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread Jon Auer
I was 20. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mike Bushard Jr mikeb.li...@gmail.com wrote: I was 21. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age!  I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in

[WISPA] Canada regulator OKs metered Internet billing

2011-01-26 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Looks like Netflix is taking down the Canadians too. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/canada-regulator-oks-metered-internet-billing-20110 125-150349-137.html Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from

Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn

2011-01-26 Thread Tom DeReggi
I believe it is more politically correct to disobey the law to protest it, than to break the law to enforce the law. I'd argue that breaking a law to enforce another leaves a loophole for a defendant, that disobeyed a law that should be protested, to use as a defense to have issue thrown out of

Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild porn

2011-01-26 Thread St. Louis Broadband
If there is one law or regulation that should be made, it is that a broadband provider should not be required or allowed to fullfill the role of a law enforcement agent or spy, without first establishing probable cause, gainng warrante or subpeona, and supervision of law enforcement agent for the

Re: [WISPA] Justice Department Seeks Mandatory Data Retention

2011-01-26 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Department of Pre-Crime? Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Justice Department

Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchildporn

2011-01-26 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
IPv6 makes this tracking even more difficult, if you don't set things up correctly in the first place. Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, January

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread Mike Hammett
All of you young people... I'm 28. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 11:48 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see

[WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic

2011-01-26 Thread Andy Trimmell
We're blocking DHCP traffic on mikrotik client units. We've found a rogue dhcp that I've talked about the last couple weeks in a few threads. I found the unit. We're blocking the 67 port like we're suppose to but unit are still attempting to connect to the DHCP behind it. Should I be blocking 67

Re: [WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic

2011-01-26 Thread Josh Luthman
ARP and DHCP are two different things. Assuming you're correctly blocking the DHCP server for answering or hearing discoveries, ARP is still going to happen and the (guessing here) Linksys Wifi Router is plugged in backwards answering ARP for the address it is listening on. Josh Luthman Office:

Re: [WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic

2011-01-26 Thread Kristian Hoffmann
Although it's a bit of work to get setup, and it helps to have scripts and automated provisioning to keep everything organized, we haven't had any problems with rouge DHCP since implementing it... http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/mikrotik/2009-November/001178.html Josh, did you end up

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

2011-01-26 Thread Blair Davis
%#$! kids get off my lawn! On 1/26/2011 12:55 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Lets

[WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth

2011-01-26 Thread Roger Howard
I'm thinking of multi-homing with Centurylink as a second provider. Is this a pretty good performing network? I read the following link, which gave me concerns, but I'm not sure if this only effects DSL customers or wholesale customers also.

Re: [WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic

2011-01-26 Thread Andy Trimmell
We already have a script to drop on all our client units. Just not sure why this one is answer DHCP queries to these 365s. I'm watching the counters go up as we type. I keep doing captures but these units still won't get an IP address. All the other sectors are fine but these 365 units

Re: [WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth

2011-01-26 Thread Jeremie Chism
Using centurytel fiber for my primary uplink. No problems and good support. Sent from my iPhone4 On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinking of multi-homing with Centurylink as a second provider. Is this a pretty good performing network? I read the

Re: [WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth

2011-01-26 Thread Dylan Bouterse
We've had various CL (was Embarq) upstreams out of our more rural data facility for 6+ years now. We started with T1s, went to ATM, upgraded to Fiber and we've recently moved on to a different layer 2 provider to peer with Level3. We were fortunate enough to have that option. During our experience

Re: [WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic

2011-01-26 Thread Butch Evans
On 01/26/2011 02:04 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: Although it's a bit of work to get setup, and it helps to have scripts and automated provisioning to keep everything organized, we haven't had any problems with rouge DHCP since implementing it...

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)

2011-01-26 Thread Chuck Hogg
I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report correctly. 1-500 base rate 500-1000 +100 1000-2000 +250 etc. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic

2011-01-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Not sure exactly what you're asking. I did put a bridge filter on the MT AP to stop SM to SM communication, yes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.comwrote:

Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchildporn

2011-01-26 Thread Stuart Pierce
Exactly, I don't think we have permission to store their private information either. If we are asked to fulfill the role of a law enforcement position we should get paid. We are asked to be a tax collector and we are not paid and I actually think that that is against the law, but we won't go

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)

2011-01-26 Thread Josh Luthman
That does add overhead... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then have the extra based on

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)

2011-01-26 Thread Jon Auer
And would turn off more people than simply doubling the membership fee from $250 to $500... On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That does add overhead... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH

[WISPA] Neteq

2011-01-26 Thread akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe
I bought a neteq about two years ago but didn't use it because I couldn't shape bandwidth on an IP level. I heard its now possible and there's also cache. Anybody know where I can get a firmware upgrade. Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe

Re: [WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth

2011-01-26 Thread Jeremie Chism
I'm in the same city with centurytel's corporate office. That might explain my success Sent from my iPhone4 On Jan 26, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.com wrote: We've had various CL (was Embarq) upstreams out of our more rural data facility for 6+ years now. We started

[WISPA] Nomadix AG5500

2011-01-26 Thread Jon Auer
I have a Nomadix AG5500 that seems to have corrupted firmware. Do any of you use / support Nomadix? I haven't been able to get ahold of their support. Right now I'm looking for a new firmware image that I can flash to resurrect this box. If not I guess I'll just have a pretty looking monowall

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)

2011-01-26 Thread Josh Luthman
But if the first year was $250 and they could either a) see the value and pay more or b) not see the value and get out it makes sense to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)

2011-01-26 Thread Justin Wilson
What about simply a fundraising effort? That would test the waters without committing to any type of rate increase and the like. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog ­ xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ­ Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting ­ Tower

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)

2011-01-26 Thread Dylan Bouterse
I believe more than half will pay the $500 year two which would more than cover any losses due to the year 2 increase. Now is it advantageous to have more members even if they don't want to pay more? If we lose 25%, but have more fees overall, is that going to hurt our power in numbers?

Re: [WISPA] Centurylink bandwidth

2011-01-26 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 1/26/2011 03:56 PM, JeremieC wrote: I'm in the same city with centurytel's corporate office. That might explain my success Perhaps, since BellSouth is the ILEC in Monroe, so CTE's circuit would be competitive, and largely aimed at themselves. My guess is that the quality of CT service is

Re: [WISPA] Neteq

2011-01-26 Thread Chris Gotstein
You'll want to contact AP Connections directly. You'll need a current support contract to get the upgrade. supp...@apconnections.net or sa...@apconnections.net Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P. http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 |

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)

2011-01-26 Thread Tom DeReggi
Jon, I personally like Chucks suggestion... Charging for subsriber count ranges via tiers, and using the honor system. It gives WISP an option to pay more, with the likelihood they will do the right thing, and those with more stake in the game with more to gain, will havea mechanism enabling

Re: [WISPA] Justice Department Seeks Mandatory Data Retention

2011-01-26 Thread Stuart Pierce
No kidding.your license plate light was out and so we pulled you over because that's a sign you may or may already be committing a revenue generating crime. Ever wonder why they would pull you over for a rear license plate light being out when their headlights shine on your plate and they

[WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected

2011-01-26 Thread Jack Unger
The FCC today announced the selection of nine TV White Space database administrators. This brings us one step closer to being able to deploy TVWS networks (once the databases are online and equipment is available). Here's a link to the announcement:

Re: [WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected

2011-01-26 Thread Ryan Spott
ugh.. neustar.. ryan On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: The FCC today announced the selection of nine TV White Space database administrators. This brings us one step closer to being able to deploy TVWS networks (once the databases are online and equipment is

Re: [WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected

2011-01-26 Thread Dylan Bouterse
So 9 parties applied and 9 were selected? Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:58 PM To: WISPA General List; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] TV White Space Database

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)

2011-01-26 Thread Mike Hammett
I contributed money before in a fund-raising effort. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 3:02 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: What about simply a fundraising effort? That would test the waters without committing to any type of rate increase and the

Re: [WISPA] Blocking DHCP traffic

2011-01-26 Thread Kristian Hoffmann
I'm wondering if anyone else uses action=arp-reply in the bridge NAT section. I don't like using obscure features with MT for fear that they'll randomly remove it one day. However, since that post they appear to have added a rule to match gratuitous ARP, which could greatly simplify my config.

Re: [WISPA] TV White Space Database Administrators Selected

2011-01-26 Thread Jack Unger
Yes On 1/26/2011 2:03 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: So 9 parties applied and 9 were selected? Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:58 PM To: WISPA General List;

[WISPA] strange dragonwave message

2011-01-26 Thread Don Grossman
We have a dragonwave horizon compact complaining of: Radio drain current out of limits: - Redundancy OFF: Radio Fault: - Replace Radio What the heck is Radio drain current out of limits? Thanks Don

Re: [WISPA] A puzzle for your enjoyment...

2011-01-26 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 26 January 2011 01:51, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Whats wrong? No, its not an optical illusion lol Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 I've seen this a few times with those cheap Pac-Wireless dishes. Just rotate the ring.

Re: [WISPA] strange dragonwave message

2011-01-26 Thread Bob Moldashel
Radio is drawing too much current possibly a bad transmitter or some other issue within the radio. -B- Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Don Grossman d...@willitsonline.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 01:49:16 GMT+00:00 Subject: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)

2011-01-26 Thread RickG
That's how many other organizations do it. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report correctly. 1-500 base rate