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Tom,
You won't customize a Fox unit because it's not FCC compliant, yet you are
running StarOS on WAR boards which is also not FCC compliant. ;)
Travis
Microserv
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nt: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:17 PM
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Hey Brad, VOIP may be the only thing canopy is lagging in. I'm curious
if they'll improve that in the version 8 software release or at least
when they move toward
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:07 PM
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Tom, I have nothing to gain or lose by telling you what we've not only
extensivley tested but also experienced over 6 years. We started using
canopy since it began shipping a
: WISPA General List
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As much as I've protested Canopy, (in my mind poor design), the smaller the
gaps are getting.
The problem is that Trango kept degrading their gear more and more like
Canopy. And Canopy kept improving their
an't pass the higher data traffic
or support more than 25 voip calls per sector. Brad
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Tom, I have nothing to gain or lose by telling you what we've not only
extensivley tested but also experienced over 6 years. We started using
canopy since it began shipping and at least 100 trango SU between 3
different towers since beta. I just hate to see fellow wisp protest that
there isn't
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From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 5:07 PM
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I am not suggesting that Canopy shouldn't be better, but it is certainly
better
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Patrick,
I think I know what you mean, but can you elaborate: do you
mean [4-1Mbps customers] on [1Mbps of radio capacity]?
Thanks.
Mario
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Patrick Leary
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Since canopy is the most robust(3db C
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"My goal is to gain the High Arpu business."
Tom, that is e
arion, Inc.
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Patrick Leary wrote:
You pay more per customer than an Alvarion user Matt since all your
customers are on dedicated PtP shots though, right?
Last time I looked at Alvarion's pricing that wasn't the case. We do use
a lot PtP shots, but all of our customers aren't on dedicated PtP shots.
We d
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 12:19 PM
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I believe we have one of the highest APRUs in the business and we use
Canopy (including Orthogon). We do like the Trango Atlas, but only for
alls per sector. Brad
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Since canopy is the most robust(3db C/I, ARQ, etc.) PTMP product in
igher data traffic
or support more than 25 voip calls per sector. Brad
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Since canopy is the m
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Since canopy is the most robust(3db C/I, ARQ, etc.) PTMP product in it's
class(and happens to be #
Wireless Broadband
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Would GPS'd Canopy help? If not
Charles Wu wrote:
What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and
move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to
effectively battle it out. The reason is that if every time I hiot noise, I
move away from the channel, eventually others take those
arles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and
move (channel
"My goal is to gain the High Arpu business."
Tom, that is exactly where Alvarion excels and why it is my opinion that
the more premium an operator becomes in the total quality of their
service, the more likely an operator is to choose Alvarion. And these
customers have different service level expe
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Would GPS'd Canopy help? If not, why? Do others in the area use Canopy?
Brian
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Because, ov
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What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and
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Because, over the years I lost 100% of my high ARPU subs that used
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Tom, so what you are changing the Trangos to ?
Also, you can hack yourself a EXT Fox ...
Gino A. Villarini
have made some cross comparison between PtMP and
PTP products. The Trango Atlas has an external antenna option also
if doing PTP.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
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er 21, 2006 11:24 PM
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What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and
move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to
effectively battle it out
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What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and
move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to
effectively battle it out. The reason is that if every t
What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and
move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to
effectively battle it out. The reason is that if every time I hiot noise, I
move away from the channel, eventually others take those channels., until
th
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Cat doesn't have my tongue Brad. I'm just doing my best not to take the
bait.
Patri
: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:59 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
Hello Tom,
Brag about networks? Still do! lol
Believe me when I say you're preaching to the choir when it comes to
Trango.
It has been a wild r
is simply
out of the question.
Best,
Brad
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Brad,
I got an idea! How
DeReggi
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Because, over the years I lost 100% of my high ARPU subs that used 5830-ext
in these areas. Yes that REALLY hurt the financials of my business. The
reason, is
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:42 PM
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I no longer have to wait, I see no reason to wait.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:29 PM
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This was done in the lab with Rev C hardware running FTP traffic. And
then the Layer 2 traffic was
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That's retail Travis. Actual pricing WISPs pay is far less. By the way,
that VL AU also de
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Patrick Leary wrote:
Patrick Leary wrote:
> Here are the net rates per mod for VL:
>
> Avg Avg
>FTPLayer 2
> Modulation 1 4.96 5.56
> Modulation 2 7.28 8.16
> Modulation 3 9.911.10
> Modulation 4 14.35 16.09
> Modulation 5 19.38 21.73
> Modulation 6 26.7
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That's retail Travis. Actual pricing WISPs pay is far less. By the way,
that VL AU also de
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:41 AM
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I think in all fairness, we need to put a major fact
I think in all fairness, we need to put a major factor to radio
selection out on the table too... price.
Trango retail pricing:
Trango Link10-EXT's are $1,500 for a complete link.
Trango 5830AP-EXTs are $1,095
Trango 5830SU-EXT's are $729
Trango FOX are $149
Alvarion pricing (not sure if this i
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Please know that I am not really trying to trash Trango here. They are
still a viable product in some situations. Alvarion is simply so much
better that it warranted this upgrade. Obviously for heavily used links
feeding t
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:36 AM
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John,
Good to hear you got issues fixed, independent of
Please know that I am not really trying to trash Trango here. They are
still a viable product in some situations. Alvarion is simply so much
better that it warranted this upgrade. Obviously for heavily used links
feeding towers to other towns I think Trango multipoint is a bad option.
I have no
Pommier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:36 AM
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John,
Good to hear you got issues fixed, independent of the
manufacturer/vendor you used.
Regarding t
John,
Good to hear you got issues fixed, independent of the
manufacturer/vendor you used.
Regarding the radios you're using now.
Some of us, like our company, started with Alvarion and never
switched out.
It's hard to try other technologies that appear less expensive, when
the one
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