RE: [WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart

hello, does the ie7 beta allow scaling of fonts set in pixels? -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *

Re: [WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart

Hey Ed You could do http://www.oscommerce.com with the STS Template contribution (see the Contributions page, search for STS) It allows you to completely reskin the tag casserole it ships with...so the Standards savvy bit falls onto your plate - but I haven't seen a shopping cart out there thats

Re: [WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart

CubeCart or Zen Cart may also be fine. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on po

Re: [WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart

Web Man Walking wrote: I am looking for a web standards friendly shopping cart for an upcoming project. I have had a look but not had much luck, previously used CactusASP but the amount of spurious and unnecessary HTML will not have me calling again. TradingEye is quite nice http://www.dpiv

[WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart

Title: Standards Savvy Shopping Cart Hello I am looking for a web standards friendly shopping cart for an upcoming project.  I have had a look but not had much luck, previously used CactusASP but the amount of spurious and unnecessary HTML will not have me calling again. Would appreciate

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

From: "Paul Novitski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry, but aren't these apples & oranges? The triggering event is one thing, the disappearing technique another. What I'm reading (or perhaps misreading) is that even screen readers that respond to the onclick method might not present text that's pre

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

On 1/30/06, Paul Novitski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 05:44 PM 1/29/2006, SunUp wrote: > >Does anyone know of a method which will toggle the visibility of the > >FAQ "answers" while still displaying everything properly without > >javascript, and that adheres to current best practise for javascr

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

From: "Paul Novitski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hmm. The text-toggling examples folks have posted on this topic use {display: none} to hide text. I'm under the impression that some screen readers will not speak text that's been hidden with {display: none}. At 05:04 AM 1/30/2006, Al Sparber wro

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

From: "Paul Novitski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hmm. The text-toggling examples folks have posted on this topic use {display: none} to hide text. I'm under the impression that some screen readers will not speak text that's been hidden with {display: none}. [1] JAWS presents the onClick event. B

RE: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

> Anders Nawroth > Does the toggle function have to be connected to a element, or do > JS-enabled screen readers recognize onClick events attached to other > elements? The function needs to be attached to an element that receives focus, i.e. an element that users can tab to via the keyboard. L

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

SunUp wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm doing an FAQ page, and want to make it so only the questions > appear on page load, then when selected, the answers appear below > them. A toggle effect. You know. > > I've found a couple of methods: > > http://www.netlobo.com/div_hiding.html > http://www.mindsac

Screen readers and JavaScript WAS: Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

On 1/30/06, Anders Nawroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does the toggle function have to be connected to a element, or do > JS-enabled screen readers recognize onClick events attached to other > elements? To add to this question, what happens where screen readers with JavaScript result in an elem

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

Paul Novitski: Hmm. The text-toggling examples folks have posted on this topic use {display: none} to hide text. I'm under the impression that some screen readers will not speak text that's been hidden with {display: none}. [1] What about making the show/hide function accessible to the scree

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

At 05:44 PM 1/29/2006, SunUp wrote: Does anyone know of a method which will toggle the visibility of the FAQ "answers" while still displaying everything properly without javascript, and that adheres to current best practise for javascript? Hmm. The text-toggling examples folks have posted on

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

http://www.nornix.com/testsidor/faq This one has very clean HTML markup. /AndersN SunUp skrev: Does anyone know of a method which will toggle the visibility of the FAQ "answers" while still displaying everything properly without javascript, and that adheres to current best practise for javascr

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

Thanks very much to the reponses on- and off-list to my question. Much appreciated. I have plenty to go on. thanks again, sunny ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

Al Sparber wrote: This is a simple solution, easy to implement, and the hidden elements are visible with script disabled: http://www.projectseven.com/csslab/swapclass/faq/ Speaking of css/script implementations that degrade well in script-disabled UAs, we have a free command that installs int

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

SunUp wrote: Hi folks, I'm doing an FAQ page, and want to make it so only the questions appear on page load, then when selected, the answers appear below them. A toggle effect. You know. I've found a couple of methods: http://www.netlobo.com/div_hiding.html http://www.mindsack.com/toggle/ ..

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

On 1/29/06, SunUp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm doing an FAQ page, and want to make it so only the questions > appear on page load, then when selected, the answers appear below > them. A toggle effect. You know. You want: http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/articles/unobtrusiveshowhi

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

Sunny, If you create an initiate function ( http://ejohn.org/projects/flexible-javascript-events/ will help on this one) Then you take the loop it already uses but tell it to style.display=none On the elements which should be closed. Sorry I can't elaborate more right now, I have

[WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

Hi folks, I'm doing an FAQ page, and want to make it so only the questions appear on page load, then when selected, the answers appear below them. A toggle effect. You know. I've found a couple of methods: http://www.netlobo.com/div_hiding.html http://www.mindsack.com/toggle/ .. but I'm not hap

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Martin Heiden wrote: Peter, on Wednesday, December 7, 2005 at 12:31 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: Maybe I'm a cycle head, but it seems silly to use computation cycles (although very little) to compute a year that changes only once per year. Use a server side include or hard

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Peter, on Wednesday, December 7, 2005 at 12:31 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: > Martin Heiden wrote: >> Do it on the serverside!!! > Maybe I'm a cycle head, but it seems silly to use computation cycles > (although very little) to compute a year that changes only once per > year. Use a serv

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

I'm no Lawyer but what are the legal ramifications of a user having the wrong year set on the client. If the client's clock were set to 1900 then wouldn't the Copyright notice then be invalid? That is one of the ramifications of not Using PHP or ASP. Stephen Bob Schwartz wrote: Lachlan, I

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Peter J. Farrell wrote: Martin Heiden wrote: Do it on the serverside!!! Maybe I'm a cycle head, but it seems silly to use computation cycles (although very little) to compute a year that changes only once per year. Use a server side include or hard code it in your footer template and re

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Martin Heiden wrote: Do it on the serverside!!! Maybe I'm a cycle head, but it seems silly to use computation cycles (although very little) to compute a year that changes only once per year. Use a server side include or hard code it in your footer template and remember to change it in the

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Bob, on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 at 18:57 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: > These connected to a linked JS in the : > 1. http://www.fotografics.it"; onclick="popUp > (this.href,'elastic',500,650);return false;"> powered by: > FotoGrafics http://www.fotografics.it"; rel="popUp(type=elastic

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Bob Schwartz wrote: This one all alone on the page, with no linked JS in the : ... document.write("© "+yr);  Cedar Tree Books © 2005 Cedar Tree Books No script (or entity reference) required. I'm going to take your much appreciated response one bit at a time. By doing as you suggest

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

I suppose you mean PHP or ASP or similar? If so, wouldn't this be taking things to an extreme just to do a simple copyright that is already handled so well with this little JS? Bob Javascript is for behaviour, not content (or structure, really). Therefore, if you want to dynamically change

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Javascript is for behaviour, not content (or structure, really). Therefore, if you want to dynamically change a year like that, it SHOULD be enshrined in markup (which means static or server-side processing). On 12/7/05, Bob Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lachlan, > > I'm going to take your

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Lachlan,I'm going to take your much appreciated response one bit at a time.By doing as you suggested, I lose the point of having used the JS in the first place.(For the purposes of this discussion, let's assume that having the copyright notices reflect the current year is a desired thing).With the

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Bob Schwartz wrote: Below are a couple of "real world" (my world, anyway) javascripts, could you re-do them as per "Good", then I would have an example for reference that I could closely relate to. These connected to a linked JS in the : 1. http://www.fotografics.it"; onclick="popUp(this.hr

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

On 07/12/2005, at 3:57 AM, Bob Schwartz wrote: Below are a couple of "real world" (my world, anyway) javascripts, could you re-do them as per "Good", then I would have an example for reference that I could closely relate to. Brilliant! If someone could 'complete the exercise' that would be

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Lachain, I sort of get it but... Below are a couple of "real world" (my world, anyway) javascripts, could you re-do them as per "Good", then I would have an example for reference that I could closely relate to. These connected to a linked JS in the : 1. http://www.fotografics.it"; onclic

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Bob Schwartz wrote: Lachlan, By far, the most important issue facing beginners with regards to standards is the separation of semantics, presentation and behavioural layers into well structured, valid, non-presentational markup; CSS and javascript, respectively, and it sounds like you've alrea

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

On 05/12/05, Bob Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just to be clear I've understood a concept you mention above, could > you show an example of javascript used as layered, non-presentational > markup and one that is not? a) Link b) Link c) Link a) is hideous b) is better but still mixes st

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Lachlan, By far, the most important issue facing beginners with regards to standards is the separation of semantics, presentation and behavioural layers into well structured, valid, non-presentational markup; CSS and javascript, respectively, and it sounds like you've already made signifi

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Christian Montoya wrote: > Tables + tag soup = hacking. Your friend really needs to get with it. > Validation is not the main issue, it's accessibility. Speed is > important too. If you can convince him to use CSS (if you can't, you > have a lot to learn too, or he is dumb) then he will want to get

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

No problem, Ben. Believe me I would never revert to the "old way". I guess I was just surprised to see how well my friend's site worked in 7 or 8 different MAC & win browsers with such outdated code. Sorry, if it seemed like I implied that, but even if you don't, just the experience of the pa

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Sorry, if it seemed like I implied that, but even if you don't, just the experience of the pain of having to maintain that sort of code would eliminate any thought of reverting to the old school way of making web sites. On 12/5/05, Bob Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Exactly where in my post

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Exactly where in my posts did I say I create web sites in the style of my friend? On 12/4/05, Bob Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: None of those. I just mentioned that I was unable to convice my friend to change his ways and his strongest reason not to was his (fairly complicated) site th

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

On 12/4/05, Bob Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > None of those. I just mentioned that I was unable to convice my > friend to change his ways and his strongest reason not to was his > (fairly complicated) site that worked just fine in a lot of browsers > which he built without jumping through a

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Hi Lachlan, Lachlan Hunt wrote: [snipped] MIME Types As I promised, this is a (not so) brief discussion of MIME types and how they relate to this discussion of HTML vs. XHTML. I will certainly read and inwardly digest this! Many thanks, Best Regards, Bob McClelland Cornwall (UK) www.g

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

My biggest reason for following standards originally was selfish: vastly increased ease of maintainability. When you separate content from presentation, you can change the presentation aspect of the site once and it goes into effect across the entire site. I really, really liked that aspect o

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

On 12/4/05, Bob Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2. A friend just got back into the web design game after a long time > away. He sent me his site: pure HTML 2.0, no doctype lots of tables > and the usual tag soup. > I mentioned to him that things had changed and he should "get with" > the mode

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

On 04/12/05, Bob Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm all for standards and everything else this list is about, but I > do feel we might be spending a lot of time preparing for a "State > Dinner" when what we are really going to attend is a "come-as-you- > are" BBQ in the backyard. Not really

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

On 04/12/05, Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So is the core of the issue not "designing with CSS vs tables", rather > than with the standards themselves? Yes, there's an ongoing confusion between standards compliance (validation) and observance of good practices (css layouts, etc.)

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Bob Schwartz wrote: None of those. I just mentioned that I was unable to convice my friend to change his ways and his strongest reason not to was his (fairly complicated) site that worked just fine in a lot of browsers which he built without jumping through any of the hoops I go through try

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

designer wrote: Just over a year ago, I decided to improve my knowledge of CSS, which (although I'd been using it for a few years) seemed a good idea. Yes, that is a very good idea. I joined the CSS list, then this one, I read Jeffrey Zeldman (and a lot of web sites about standards) and ever

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

None of those. I just mentioned that I was unable to convice my friend to change his ways and his strongest reason not to was his (fairly complicated) site that worked just fine in a lot of browsers which he built without jumping through any of the hoops I go through trying to get a complic

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

On 04/12/05, Bob Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2. A friend just got back into the web design game after a long time > away. He sent me his site: pure HTML 2.0, no doctype lots of tables > and the usual tag soup. > I mentioned to him that things had changed and he should "get with" > the mo

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

On 04/12/05, designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Bob, please understand any blunt or straightforward response is by no means a personal attack on you, but I feel the "rant mode" growing inside of me :-) > Just over a year ago, I decided to improve my knowledge of CSS, which > (although I'd be

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

Oddly enough I've been thinking about making a similar post. I would have said all you said and then added two more tidbits. 1. Just read on some blog (pointed to from this list) where doctypes are useful only for validation, otherwise of no use. 2. A friend just got back into the web design

[WSG] standards or confusion?

Just over a year ago, I decided to improve my knowledge of CSS, which (although I'd been using it for a few years) seemed a good idea. I joined the CSS list, then this one, I read Jeffrey Zeldman (and a lot of web sites about standards) and everything was rosy in the garden. Of course, I had

Re: [WSG] Standards and Aesthetics

+ discussion at -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The

Re: [WSG] Standards and Aesthetics

Hi John, >Many standards websites have subtle gradients in backgrounds -- is this >because designers are confident in using PNG files which do gradients better >for smaller file sizes? My opinion is that gradients and textures are introduced to recreate the textures of real world surfaces not

Re: [WSG] Standards and Aesthetics

Ted Drake wrote: Hi John Sites look similar because the early standards-based web developers were so influential. CSS-based design is different beast than table hacking and people feel more comfortable riffing off a successful site than learning a new technique with a design out of their head.

Re: [WSG] Standards and Aesthetics

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a question so much as a discussion topic -- is there a particular "look" to standards websites? Is there an aesthetic developing from the technologies we use? Many standards websites have subtle gradients in backgrounds -- is this because designers are confident

RE: [WSG] Standards and Aesthetics

efox. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:55 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Standards and Aesthetics Not a question so much as a discussion topic -- is there a particu

Re: [WSG] Standards and Aesthetics

On 12/1/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, is the technology dictating the look, or are all these things > just accidents of history because some major relaunch like the > stopdesign/AdaptivePath redesign of Blogger looked that way? I think what you are talking about are fads.

[WSG] Standards and Aesthetics

Not a question so much as a discussion topic -- is there a particular "look" to standards websites? Is there an aesthetic developing from the technologies we use? Many standards websites have subtle gradients in backgrounds -- is this because designers are confident in using PNG files which do

RE: [WSG] standards, semantics and strict/valid Script Sources

com From: Jay Gilmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 December 2005 03:31 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] standards, semantics and strict/valid Script Sources I am honestly looking for resources. Any help in this would be great. Jay

Re: [WSG] standards, semantics and strict/valid Script Sources

Jay Gilmore wrote: I am honestly looking for resources. Any help in this would be great. Jay For some Javascript sources: I sometimes turn to DynWeb: http://www.dyn-web.com/ or Dithered: http://www.dithered.com/index.html These aren't as robust as HotScripts, but it's past my bedtime. ;)

Re: [WSG] standards, semantics and strict/valid Script Sources

I am honestly looking for resources. Any help in this would be great. Jay Jay Gilmore wrote: I wanted to know if there are resources like HotScripts etc. that provide code that is standards oriented, semantic and use valid and/or strict doctypes? I hate always having to hack the hell out

RE: [WSG] Standards and .NET

>> * Don't use postback. Just give up, it's a badly implemented hack to maintain state in a webpage misusing forms and introducing complete JavaScript dependence. Just because Visual Studio makes it very easy to accidentally use it, doesn't make it ok. Just pretend it was never there. Do you mean

RE: [WSG] Standards and .NET

>> Avoid using the pre-wrapped ASP.NET controls. DataGrids aren't so bad, but you get much more mark-up control by using a Repeater. Similarly, rather than using an asp:label, there's a mark-upless version that doesn't insert elements. I forget the name, sorry, but it does exist. I think Ben migh

Re: [WSG] Standards and .NET

A few tips based on my experience of working with ASP.NET 1.1: * First up, consider sticking to an HTML 4 DOCTYPE. It's really not as big a deal as some advocates would have you think ;-) - Critically, if you try and force it to use XHTML and someone accidentally clicks 'Design View' your code is

RE: [WSG] Standards and .NET

l the best! Rachel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Douglas Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2005 9:12 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Standards and .NET http://www.codeproject.com/aspnet/ASPNET2XHTML.asp VS2005 d

Re: [WSG] Standards and .NET

http://www.codeproject.com/aspnet/ASPNET2XHTML.asp VS2005 drastically improves this situ. hth :] w Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, Yesterday I spoke with you all regarding issues with using CSS and .NET. Below is the site underdevelopment. I'm told div's are casuing a problem, in addition to

[WSG] Standards and .NET

Hi,Yesterday I spoke with you all regarding issues with using CSS and .NET. Below is the site underdevelopment. I'm told div's are casuing a problem, in addition to Could someone look over this and offer suggestions, on Standards based implementation with .NET"Today we found screen resolution Probl

RE: [WSG] Standards and The DataGrid

list if you would like.   regards   Peter From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris KennonSent: 07 November 2005 17:07To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] Standards and The DataGrid Hi, The client is having trouble: "Just to update you, we're h

Re: [WSG] Standards and The DataGrid

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris KennonSent: 07 November 2005 13:54To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Standards and The DataGridHi,Can someone offer standards based guidelines when working with the   MS .Net's standard grid

RE: [WSG] Standards and The DataGrid

ginal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kennon Sent: 07 November 2005 13:54 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Standards and The DataGrid Hi, Can someone offer standards based guidelines when working with the MS .Net's standard grid

[WSG] Standards and The DataGrid

Hi, Can someone offer standards based guidelines when working with the MS .Net's standard grid component. According to my client this component has issues with & elements. Respectfully, Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstand

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

>It does take more time and effort for the programmer. Even after the learning process is completed? big help-thanks kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

> I spoke with programmers today. > They were more receptive than i'd expected. > They agreed give standards a go by > easing into css based design one step at a time. Tell those programmers we are ready for their questions. :-) -- -- C Montoya rdpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpdesign.com ... montoya.r

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

lop over time while the programmers understand the importance and get used to working with standard and accessible code. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kvnmcwebn Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2005 9:00 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject:

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

props to everyone who provided feedback on this post earlier. (regarding designing accessible sites for non standards savy programmers to mark up) I spoke with programmers today. They were more receptive than i'd expected. They agreed give standards a go by easing into css based design one step

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

thanks for all the brillant feedback! I will try putting a page or two through a screen reader for them. Also I will show them how much easier it is to do a redesign with a standards based website as they do this quite a bit. On top of that a lot of thier contracts specify accesibility as a require

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

> > That and clean XHTML is easier to hand-code than tables... > Without wanting to open a can of worms here; how so? Do you mean in > conjunction with CSS, or just that XHTML markup is cleaner than that of > HTML? Just that XHTML markup is faster to type by hand than nested tables and font tags.

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

Paul Noone wrote: That and clean XHTML is easier to hand-code than tables... Without wanting to open a can of worms here; how so? Do you mean in conjunction with CSS, or just that XHTML markup is cleaner than that of HTML? I read him to mean that any clean mark-up is easier to hand code tha

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

> hello all, > Ive started designing sites for this company that specilizes in .net > databases driven/xml feed type sites. I just give them a graphics file and > they slice it up. Anyway they asked me yesterday if i could do this > particular job with web accessability in mind. But heres the thin

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

> That and clean XHTML is easier to hand-code than tables... Without wanting to open a can of worms here; how so? Do you mean in conjunction with CSS, or just that XHTML markup is cleaner than that of HTML? ** The discussion list for http://web

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

> i dont know if i will be able to sell them on > it. I was going to try the angle that web standards are helpful/essential > for accessability-which they get alot of requests for these days. The > programmers dont want me to do any coding or as little as possible-so as not > to step on thier toes.

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

Quoting Mike Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > There's not at the moment. It would be great to have some, but I haven't > any experience in captioning and not sure what's involved or how long it > might take. Any volunteers? :) Sadly I am about to leave the Australian Caption Centre but I would be mor

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

Leslie Riggs wrote: We are hoping to have this available online as a Quicktime file soon. When it is, it's definitely worth showing to people. Jonathan is a wonderful speaker and funny speaker, and I guarantee that no one will see his presentation and go away feeling the same about accessibil

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

Leslie Riggs wrote: Um, I'm kind of afraid to ask, but would there be any captioning on that for us poor deaf folk who won't hear this but do work for hearing clients? Hmmm...should I fire up my SMIL-a-tron again? (which has been busy recently...watch out for an announcement soon...) -- Pat

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

We are hoping to have this available online as a Quicktime file soon. When it is, it's definitely worth showing to people. Jonathan is a wonderful speaker and funny speaker, and I guarantee that no one will see his presentation and go away feeling the same about accessibility! Mike for Web S

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

Mark Harris wrote: At a WSG meeting in Wellington, earlier in the year (see http://www.gooduse.co.nz/thegoodnessarchives/000113.html), Jonathon Mosen did a live demo of JAWS to an audience of web developers. Watching the light bulbs go on as it read out an interminable database URL from an Ama

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

Graham Cook wrote: Having been in your position for some time until recently (I was standards manager for Telstra), I found that the best way to achieve change toward accessibility was to meet with the stakeholders and either take a transcript, or play directly a Jaws readout of a page that had b

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

November 2005 10:10 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation? > > > > The programmers dont want me to do any coding or as > > little as possible-so as not to step on thier toes. > > Don't just step, STOMP!

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

> The programmers dont want me to do any coding or as > little as possible-so as not to step on thier toes. Don't just step, STOMP! If they're not going to do their job right then let it be known there is someone who can...and provide the reasons why. At the end of the day, if it can save time and

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

Having been in your position for some time until recently (I was standards manager for Telstra), I found that the best way to achieve change toward accessibility was to meet with the stakeholders and either take a transcript, or play directly a Jaws readout of a page that had been sliced and diced

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

Having a validating vs non-validating site doesn't make much of a difference in accessibility, as long as the errors are minor. What -does- make a huge difference is semantic vs non-semantic. Having a list marked up as a list but missing a (in a DTD that requires it) it still much much more acce

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

Here's some things to think about that will keep accessibility in mind: * resizable text (designer) * sufficent contrast (designer) * associate labels with form controls (designer/developer) * meaningful link text (content owner) * content chunks with good headings (content owner) Accessibility d

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

> Seona Bellamy > I know that there were some really good articles floating around on > the list a while back when someone was asking how to sell web > standards to clients. MACCAWS is fairly nice http://www.maccaws.org/kit/ Just to give my GBP0.02 on the issue, I usually (unless clients specifi

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

On 01/11/05, kvnmcwebn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks seona and josh, You're welcome. :) > -thats a key point, i design with standards in mind but they've been slicing > my ai files into a tables and calling it a day. I am meeting with them this > week to talk about this. I will try and talk

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

Thanks seona and josh, ".although when they say "accessibility" they are probably thinking of screen readers and users who can't use a mouse, accessibility also includes being able to access the information and basic functionality of a site in numerous browsing devices.

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

On 11/1/05, kvnmcwebn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hello all, > Ive started designing sites for this company that specilizes in .net > databases driven/xml feed type sites. I just give them a graphics file and > they slice it up. Anyway they asked me yesterday if i could do this > particular job w

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

On 01/11/05, kvnmcwebn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I told them that they need to start with > web standards and get thier pages to validate before they start on > accessability. > Was that sound advice? Well, while validation might not be seen as technically essential to accessibility, I'd say th

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