Re: [WSG] Floating to left and/or right...

2005-01-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Alex Katechis wrote: Hi all, this is my first shot at a tableless XHTML/CSS design and its turning out better than I thought... Everything is going according to plan, _except_ for one minor detail that is making a big difference. This _is_ one of the most difficult "details" in web design based

Re: [WSG] Comment before the DOCTYPE?

2005-01-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Maxine Sherrin wrote: I'm going through all the templates which came from our design competiton which will be used in Style Master 4, knocking them into shape. I've found one which puts a comment *before* the DOCTYPE declaration. And of course, when you remove this comment the layout breaks in

Re: [WSG] Nav Before or After Main Content

2005-01-24 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Michael Wilson wrote: My question at this point is: which is a better approach--nav first with a skip to content link or nav last with a skip to nav link? I'm inclined to think putting the nav last or at least after the main content is better for screen readers and such as well as for SEO, but I do

Re: [WSG] Web site review please

2005-01-25 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
John Britsios wrote: Please see here: http://www.webnauts.net/ Had a look around with Opera7.54, FF1.0 and IE6. The page looks fine when I don't stress anything. I like the font a bit larger though, and your pages are a bit weak when I step it up. It simply looks a bit strange when I use larger fon

Re: [WSG] Image alignment and text

2005-01-25 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Chris Taylor wrote: Is there a CSS equivalent for the age-old image properties 'align="left"' and 'align="right"'. When these are used any text that is next to the image is automatically lined up with the top of the image. The way we usually do it looks more like this: img{ float: left; }

Re: [WSG] I can't get my DIVs to overlap or position correctly?

2005-01-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Joey wrote: But yes i wonder about the "margin-left" problem in IE too? If anyone knows why we have to use "margin-left: expression('8px');"? Correcting front-margins on a float in IE/win like this: margin-left: 17px; margin-left: expression('8px'); /* correct IE */ ...is the same as writing: margi

Re: [WSG] Emulating min-width

2005-01-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
David R wrote: I'm just looking for comments on a concept I thought for emulating min-width in IE: !!! #elementToHaveMinWidth { width: 40%; } #minWidthMaker { width: 620px; } The end result being a div#elementToHaveMinWidth never going below 620px width My experience with this type of "spacer" is

Re: [WSG] 2 Column Symetrical Stretching Layout?

2005-02-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Joey wrote: Is it really that difficult to create a simple 2 column layout in CSS? Im beggining to doubt CSS if this is the case. All i need is a 2 column layout with each column being 50% and when u stretch the browser each column increases (but both stay at 50%) Here is a table version of wha

Re: [WSG] Browser Checks

2005-02-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Paul wrote: This is more of a general standards question, but if you are designing a page for the public in general (in my case a university) at what point ( % wise _or_ # of browsers) do you say 'Okay this is the site, no more trying to accommodate obscure browsers/older versions of browsers."

Re: [WSG] Site Review...

2005-02-08 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
David R wrote: http://www.w3bdevil.com/scripts/ - Check z-index on the headline. Left side link "Home" is overlapping bottom of "W3b's ..." in Opera. Fine in FF and IE-win - *All* text with relative font-size for IE-win, please? - Otherwise: just fine. http://www.w3bdevil.com/turkeys/ - No problems

Re: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility

2005-02-10 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
designer wrote: What exactly is the position? Opera's zoom-feature is nice - and useful, but comes more as an addition provided in that browser. IE6 can also zoom pages, but not that user-friendly. We may want browsers to have useful features like this, but that's not what we want first and most (I

Re: [WSG] Why DO floats not stretch their containers?

2005-02-10 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
John Horner wrote: * floated elements too big for the enclosing element "spill out" * except on IE, where they stretch the enclosing element that's a bit simplified, but essentially correct, right? Right. For instance, with this code: DIV A DIV B DIV B will overlap DIV A and c

Re: [WSG] Why DO floats not stretch their containers?

2005-02-10 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Josh McDonald wrote: Sorry, I can't test my statement here, so if I am wrong please correct me, but as far as I remember taking out the set height (or min-height) of Div B will reduce Div A to 0 height. Floating Div B has got a similar effect to giving position:absolute - Div A will ignore the

Re: [WSG] Why DO floats not stretch their containers?

2005-02-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andreas Boehmer wrote: Can you give an example of where standard-compliant browsers expand the outer container with a float as content? I believe Roger pointed to the almost perfect example: < http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/ > Myself, being a "heavy user" of floats, si

Re: [WSG] accessibilty and responsibility

2005-02-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Alan Trick wrote: Ok, I see your point here, but I'm the web designer for a company. Most of our customers probably wouldn't know what a 'browser' is and think that the 'e' is the is only way to 'download the internet'. I can't simply "forget" my customers browsers without alienating them as w

Re: [WSG] linking to style sheet - how best?

2005-02-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
J. DesGeorges wrote: I am wondering what is the consensus for calling a style sheet. The @import rule or the link href method ... I am confused as to the merits of both. If you can point me to a resource that discusses this issue I would really appreciate it. This might help:

Re: [WSG] Having trouble understanding floats and clear - and a few other minor issues

2005-02-20 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rosemary Norwood wrote: I've been trying to get the banner for my site set up the way I would like. The design is here: http://www.blackwork.com/access/access_lesson2_page1.html The CSS is lessons.css in the same directory. It may not look like it, but occupy the whole line. Set background-col

Re: [WSG] Having trouble understanding floats and clear - and a few other minor issues

2005-02-20 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rosemary Norwood wrote: BTW: you have triggered IE/win's "extreme font-step" bug. ... Did a search on Google and in the archives for references for this bug but couldn't find any. Could you point me to a resource (or even describe what it is so I can play with a solution for myself)? It's easier

Re: [WSG] Cool css box idea

2005-02-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Zachary Hopkins wrote: I've recently been fascinated by round boxes on pages. I will have to wait for CSS3 to be officially released and then adopted before I can use the border-radius feature. Or you can cheat a little while waiting for CSS3: http://www.gunlaug.no/homesite/main_6_xv.html ... my

Re: [WSG] IE problem at small window size

2005-02-28 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rachel Campbell wrote: I have a problem with IE at small window size (640 x 480) when the content of the page gets shunted underneath the menu bar on the left. You should be able to see it happening on http://actemp.sipu.apu.ac.uk/timetabling/camb/ttindex.phtml A large enough negative back margi

Re: [WSG] IE problem at small window size

2005-02-28 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rachel Campbell wrote: http://actemp.sipu.apu.ac.uk/timetabling/camb/ttindex.phtml I've just noticed that this fix makes #footer come up the page; unfortunately it needs to stay at the bottom of the page, below #leftcolumn. Any ideas as to how that can be achieved? div#columns {min-height: 50em

Re: [WSG] IE: why are you so...

2005-02-28 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot russ! Can I ask you (all) what do you think about my site? The address is www.itgmarinoni.it . I like it, but my Opera doesn't. :-) Think there's a missing min-width somewhere, since the background on the right column is pushed to the left on narrow windows. N

Re: [WSG] opacity as a hover for photo gallery thumbnails

2005-03-02 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
john wrote: I know it may be unnecessary, but I'd like to put a hover on them anyway. Try as I might to understand the CSS better, it's still unclear to me how to properly put a hover on the thumbnails. I've tried so many things that it's a jumble in my mind now...but it seems like if I increase

Re: [WSG] overflow: hidden not working...

2005-03-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Chris Stratford wrote: WHY doesn't my forum table Clip the large image? Where do I need the overflow: hidden??? Doesn't work on a table. A table will expand by default, and no style can prevent that-- at least not in any browser I've tested in. The only solution that'll work for you, is something l

Re: [WSG] overflow: hidden not working...

2005-03-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Susanne Jäger wrote: Try adding: table.posts {table-layout: fixed;} I checked it with the "edit styles-Bookmarklet" and it works in Mozilla 1.8b, I'm not sure about cross-browser support. It does indeed work in FF 1.0,

Re: [WSG] overflow

2005-03-08 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
john wrote: I've never used "overflow" before, but I'm experimenting with possibly using it as a means to contain a product listing within a page design (essentially keeping the page itself relatively short, but having the product listing scrolling within one of the divs). My question is...since ri

Re: [WSG] Float help

2005-03-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Keith Ellis wrote: http://techvisioneer.com/clients/wshein/demo/admin/test/NewDesign.htm I have a fairly simple header/content/footer layout except the height of the logo in the header is greater than the desired height of the header itself. My goal is to have the logo fixed in the upper left a

Re: [WSG] Re: Float help

2005-03-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Keith Ellis wrote: Georg, I haven't tested this yet since I'm at the day job right now but why would I need the margin style? Yes, that's what makes the whole thing work-- once you've made the changes to your html-code. Those margins are repositioning the div back to where it is in your original.

Re: [WSG] style attribute depreciated in xhtml 1.1?

2005-03-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Alan Trick wrote: I just found you that the style attribute is depreciated in xhtml 1.1. Does this mean that it will eventually be obolete? If so, what do they expect us to do for inline styles because it doesn't always make sense to have everything in an external style sheet. Well, unless they

Re: [WSG] help with IE 3-pixel bug

2005-04-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Gallagher, Robin wrote: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~persia/final/test.html The background image in the floated right column is being affected by the IE 3-pixel bug. I would go for the simplest solution: #rightColumn {_width:202px;_margin-left: -2px;} ...that'll fix IE6. Then I would try a proper d

Re: [WSG] position:absolute in IE

2005-04-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Alan Trick wrote: That's what I had, but AFAIK, you can't have the page resize to fit the viewport without absolute/fixed positioning (unless you use a screwy js hack). If you could prove me wrong I would be very greatful. Personally I dislike absolute positioning. David Laakso wrote: Looks li

Re: [WSG] IE, margin: 0 auto - does work???

2005-04-08 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Chris Stratford wrote: Sorry I should also say that the text-align in the parent element is NO center. Thats why I am so suprised its working! But IE seems to understand margin: 0 auto; IE6 always has -- when in standard mode. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ***

Re: [WSG] Web standards as a selling point?

2005-04-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
tee wrote: ... For us who believed in web standards, it all sounds very beautiful and convincing, but for companies who provides services, they want web sites, they want their web sites looks nice and professional and they want it to be affordable. They simply want to know how much it will cost ri

Re: [WSG] link one style sheet from another

2005-04-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Kvnmcwebn wrote: Is it ever helpful to link one style sheet from another using @ import? It may save you from having to link in additional stylesheets from each of maybe a hundred pages or more. It really depends on how you organize your stylesheets and your sites. I always @import extra styleshee

Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: I am interested in people's thoughts about using "quirks mode" (ie adding before the doctype) vs "standards mode". Think we had a similar discussion a few months back... It is recommended to use the "xml-prolog" with xhtml1.0, and it _is only_ IE6 that gets thrown into qu

Re: [WSG] Problem with floating heights

2005-04-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive made a little demo site, that shows my problem clearly http://www.tres.dk/test I want the container div to follow the heights of the floating elements, #left and #right In Internet Explorer it does, but not in Firefox, Opera, Safair or any other browser. The height is

Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
John Britsios wrote: When a document begins with an declaration. IE 6 for Windows doen't see the Doctype, so it lapses into "quirks mode". Therefore I would suggest you not to use it. Might you be kind enough to tell me what IE6 has to offer in standard mode that it doesn't have in quirks mode

Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
russ - maxdesign wrote: How about correct rendering of the box model? I'm aware of the box-model issue. That's why I linked to a W3C-page where this is explained in simplest terms. Now, my question again - rephrased: are there anything IE6 c

Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
designer wrote: ... Not sure what it is you're looking for . . . Basically everything that differs so much between "standard" and quirks mode in IE6 that using "standard" mode results in less code and simpler and more robust solutions than using quirks mode. -- Kornel Lesinski wrote: Right-alig

Re: [WSG] zindex

2005-04-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Alan Trick wrote: Hi, I've been playing around with positioning and z-index and I'm wondering if it is possible to give a containing box higher z-index that it's children. As far as I have been able to tell, ( in firefox/opera ) it doesn't work. I have a with a background:transparent url(imag

Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-16 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Foster, Raymond W wrote: Also, IE6's handling of keyword font sizes in standards mode is consistent with other modern browsers. IE6 in quirks mode (and IE 5.5) renders keyword-defined font sizes a step larger than most other browsers. Yes, IE6 handle a few things _differently_ in "standard" and

Re: Subject: Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-16 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Tim White wrote: ... It looked almost like the 3px jog bug, but since I wasn't using boxes, floats and the like that wasn't it. Thanks Tim. (no further details needed :-) ) Have a few cases in my internal archive that sounds like that one. Some of these cases are solved by changing mode, but that

Re: Subject: Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-16 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Sarah, I suppose I really just wanted to see what others were doing, and more importantly *why*. Perhaps a poll would be useful here? Could be, but some check-points about "why" and "what do you know about browser-modes" should be included. Would make an interesting read, me thinks. There seems to

Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Richard, you wrote: I think the decision has more to do with maximising the expectation that your design will appear the same on any browser than to do with the features that are available. Also allowing that expectation to continue as standards and browsers move forward and browsers implement

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

2005-04-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
InfoForce Services (Angus MacKinnon) wrote: This brings up a question. How effective are Skip navigation links? I have heard that half the people do not understand what skip navigation links are. I design web sites to get to the main content or with very few links until the main content. I'm in

Re: [WSG] device independence

2005-04-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rachel Radford wrote: Is there a web site or an accurate way of 'testing' websites on PDA's and cell phones if you don't have access to them? Not really. Too many "non-standards" around... There is a real standard: 'media handheld', but support for it is sketchy to non-existent for most software-p

Re: [WSG] IE three pixel bug has beaten me

2005-04-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: This is the second time I am coming across the IE three pixel bug, but this time it really got me: Only temporarily... http://www.addictivemedia.com.au/clients/gta/home2.html Try "killing a float-bug with a float": #home_right {margin: 0; float: left;} ... m

Re: [WSG] UTF-8

2005-04-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jan Brasna wrote: - Half of the Norwegian sites I visit in a day are full of question-marks--until I actively change encoding, and change it again, and again... Hmm, we here in CZ use Latin2 or CP1250, everyone uses proper charset headers, so no problem with this. You hit one of the usual proble

Re: [WSG] To float or not to float

2005-04-25 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Hope Stewart wrote: ... What, if any, are the advantages and/or disadvantages of (1) floating neither column compared to (2) floating one column? Sample CSS: ... Absolute positioning of larger parts of a page, is *not* recommended. Only elements with fixed dimensions, in an environment of fixed

Re: [WSG] Re: [Repost] 4 px gap in Safari and Gecko based browsers

2005-04-25 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
tee wrote: Sorry, realized I got the url wrong. Here is the right one: http://www.clients.lotusseeds.com/catering_new.html Simple fix: #intro {line-height: 0;} Note also: "LOCATION" is too high up in Opera. Some adjustments needed to top of that list. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no

Re: [WSG] Firefox bug?

2005-04-29 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
designer wrote: I have been trying to produce a gallery thing without using a table, and my test file has four images in a vertical column. It all seems fine, except in FF1.0, where the second and fourth images display several dashed lines across the image. http://www.treyarnon.fsworld.co.uk/wg/ga

Re: [WSG] what ie bug is this?

2005-04-29 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Kvnmcwebn wrote: What ie windows 6 bug creates relics like the ones at the bottom of the boxes in the central column of this page? http://mcmonagle.biz/OTI/INDEX3.HTM Countless bugs in IE6, but I think this is a "human bug" / coding error. There may be one or more misplaced in your source-code.

Re: [WSG] Firefox bug?

2005-04-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
designer wrote: Perhaps you are right and I should ignore it. However, it is unsightly, as you can see if you look at the jpg screen grab I've put at: http://www.treyarnon.fsworld.co.uk/wg/FFbug.jpg I see, but that's Firefox messing up the /background on top of background/. I couldn't see that fir

Re: [WSG] Fake Horizontal Frames Layout

2005-04-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Peter J. Farrell wrote: I'm newer to CSS then I'd like to admit, but I was wondering if it is possible to create a layout that consists of three content areas (Think about a 3-column layout turned 90 degrees). You've got plenty of fun waiting for you up the CSS-road. :-) Something like:

Re: [WSG] Firefox bug?

2005-05-01 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Matt Thommes wrote: I experience this "vertical line" problem quite a bit. It only happens on my Mac - using Firefox. I think the original problem was _horizontal lines_ on backgrounds on a vertically aligned image-gallery. The fix was 'display: table;' I think, but that's a case by case solution a

Re: [WSG] Mystery connection of css and non-liquid design

2005-05-02 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: Something I find really strange is that a lot of people who put emphasis on Web Standards suddenly found their way back to non-liquid, 800px, centered design. I am wondering why that is? Makes me wonder too. :-) I find this amazing: when I browse the web a

Re: [WSG] liquid 3-column layout - my head is spinning

2005-05-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Thierry Koblentz wrote: FYI: The ALA's article doesn't mention a few things: - links inside the right column appear not to be clickable in Opera 6, - there are background painting problems in IE, - there is one structural hack missing from the m

Re: [WSG] liquid 3-column layout - my head is spinning

2005-05-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Lea de Groot wrote: But, as always, log file results drive the testing. Sounds pretty counter-productive to me, but I guess it makes economical sense in the short run -- and preserves status quo. Pity I never read log files. I'm too busy -- testing for new bugs. ;-) regards Georg -- http://

Re: [WSG] liquid 3-column layout - my head is spinning

2005-05-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
soft tester wrote: Is there any standard for browsers like web standards ? Think that was the idea behind W3C standards -- originally. Is there Any idea to standardise web browser lik web standard websites or limit the browser to solve these web standard problems? None working. regards Geo

Re: [WSG] IE CSS Gap Problem? Anybody have a solution?

2005-05-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Josef Dunne wrote: Does anybody know why this is happening in IE? It's reserving space for something that isn't there. http://dev.blumedia.co.uk/pp/ li {display: inline;} regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for h

Re: [WSG] "hooked" floating divs

2005-05-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Richard Lake wrote: http://www.pricklypair.co.nz/products.php All of the images are inserted in a floating div. When one of the floating divs in the line is taller than the last one on the line the next floating div seems to get hooked up on the longer one. Can anyone suggest another way of lay

Re: [WSG] search field image alignment

2005-05-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Kvnmcwebn wrote: .fimg{ _padding: 0px 0px 0px 0px; padding: 0px 0px 5px 0px; } That's the wrong sequence. IE won't get it. Try this instead: .fimg{ padding: 0 0 5px 0; _padding: 0; } regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion

Re: [WSG] Site check - lastminute.com

2005-05-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Felix Miata wrote: "You might say "but the text looks too big" if I just leave it like that. Make it smaller then. But *in your browser*." As idealistic as it sounds, the devil's advocate counter question: are you going to tell every single user of your site to do that in

Re: [WSG] Site check - lastminute.com

2005-05-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Romily Jones wrote: The BBC's site is a good guide -- they did tons of usability research, ... They did, but the latest update I could find is more than 2 years old. ...not all of it made good read today, although I didn't see anything

Re: [WSG] cross-platform font consistency

2005-05-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Scott Reston wrote: http://www.capstrat.com/development/ncac/template-home.html) I've tried defining the text with a pixel size: font-size: 9px; and with a relative size: font-size: .75em; (the body container is set at 76%) But both attempts yield similar results - on mac browsers, the menu is

Re: [WSG] Site check - lastminute.com

2005-05-20 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Tom Livingston wrote: I guess where I am going with this is that, IMO, no one here is wrong. The _vast_ majority of users are going to see the site as intended, and those who are not happy with the text size have the ability to change it to suit them. If a user needs larger type due to low visi

Re: [WSG] CSS Hack?

2005-05-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Cb2 Web Design wrote: It is a "empty comment hack": html/**/body selector, that seems to be applied only by I.E. 6.x http://www.cb2web.com/tut_csshack.shtml Haven't seen that variant in the wild yet. My general response to this, and any hack, is in the headlines and start-paragraphs on thi

Re: [WSG] Site check - lastminute.com

2005-05-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Thierry Koblentz wrote: In most browsers, there is no way to know how the page would print. ... There is a way: 'testing', but I agree on that browsers don't do their print-job the same way. Think Gecko is worst on print-jobs at the moment. We also have no idea about print-setups around, since

Re: [WSG] Best way to train someone in css and web standards

2005-05-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Cole Kuryakin - x7m wrote: My plan is to get them completely compeletely trained in these areas before letting them dive into any real project development. A few thoughts about basic learning: No books and training-methods can beat the time-factor. The learning-curve is steep, and no one can

Re: [WSG] Different styles for different browsers?

2005-05-23 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Gregory Alan Gross wrote: Is it possible to create a separate style sheet with different style rules for individual browsers to enable it to display a site in a uniform manner? See: ... for the best way to feed IE/win separate stylesheet(s), through

[WSG] Can we 'font-size-adjust' anything anywhere?

2005-05-25 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Font-size is still an issue, even if we agree to disagree about most of it. :-) The 'font-size' vs. 'font-family' can, and do, create some really wild results across the web, and 'font-size-adjust' doesn't seem to work anywhere -- or does it? (Opera 8 - CSS - font-size-adjust = not implemented)

Re: Subject: DIVs and horizontal scroll -- WAS: RE: [WSG] the mysteries of float - i seek enlightenment

2005-05-26 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Chris Taylor wrote: I'm trying to get a very wide table to appear inside a DIV and scroll horizontally, but not vertically. Take a look at http://www.egton.net/yearview/index.html to see what I mean. What I would like is for the calendar table to be horizontally scrollable inside "Tapes due

Re: IE Compliant (was RE: [WSG] (No subject header))

2005-05-27 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "IE Compliant" <--- Why would u advertise that!?!?! Weird It was in relation to the deepbrowser that some one posted about, they wanted to know if it was just a wrapper for IE. The website advertises the fact that there browser is IE compliant. I was under the impres

Re: [WSG] further to IE5.0 oddness: nav lists

2005-06-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
SunUp wrote: enlightenment required pls: 1. why doesn't this pretty list work in IE5.0? Because that old browser isn't any good. :-) 2. and how do i convince it (violently if necessary) to do so? Not sure, but you may try adding: #navcontainer ul li a {_height: 0;} ...that will activate t

Re: [WSG] tables to standards problem...

2005-07-01 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
akella wrote: http://www.champion.com.ua/ or here http://pravda.com.ua/ The problem is: How to implement it with CSS so that text will not be under the image. The obvious img{float:left} is not good - client dont want the text to be displayed under the image. This solution imitates parts of a

Re: [WSG] Keeping a floated item from overlapping when window resized

2005-07-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Stevio wrote: I'm sure I've done this before, but I have a div element floated to the right. When the window is resized to be smaller, how can I make sure that at some point the element on the right will not start to overlap the content in the middle, but instead the horizontal scroll bar appe

Re: [WSG] Siteproblem... IE off course

2005-07-08 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Siteman DA - Bent Inge wrote: Page: http://modulvegger.prosjektweb.net Sheet: http://modulvegger.prosjektweb.net/sitestyle.css Looks right in Firefox and Opera, but I've got big problems with the intended look in IE. No surprise there... :-) You'll have to play with the 'hasLayout' property

Re: [WSG] HR - Presentation or Structure?

2005-07-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Kenny Graham wrote: Am I alone in feeling that should be depreciated in favor of CSS borders? Especially with in the XHTML 2.0 drafts, what semantic or even structural value does have? Every argument for its retention that I've heard so far has been presentation related. Well, I only use

Re: [WSG] HR - Presentation or Structure?

2005-07-12 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Incidentally, I'm surprised that more people here haven't jumped in on the discussion. ...been busy cracking some more bugs related to the visual - as usual. Are all other web standards folks on here really in agreement that (X)HTML is a visual language by design, or a

Re: [WSG] REL & REV

2005-07-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Chris Kennon wrote: After pouring over endless minutiae, if yet to grasp when and how to use & after having seen it numerous times, peering at the code of many respected sites. If you want to make real world use of , then this page may actually tell you how to do it.

Re: [WSG] REL & REV

2005-07-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: ...use a good browser ;-) are you referring to opera? ;^) Well, I use Opera, and that site is obviously focused on Opera... I was however hinting at the fact that that page and the site is not very IE/win-friendly. I don't think Moose

Re: [WSG] site check please

2005-07-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Drake, Ted C. wrote: http://www.tdrake.net/joan/index-liquid.html I really like the look of that one - but... - Scrolling left isn't easy, so maybe try this adjustment: body { padding-left: 95px;} ...tested in Opera, Firefox & IE6. (I can even make it line up perfectly in Opera 8's 'fit to wi

Re: [WSG] circodeliaproducciones.com - thoughts on this site

2005-07-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
sam sherlock wrote: I happened acrosss this site on stylegala. http://www.circodeliaproducciones.com/ I would like to know what the list members think of the site... Looking good in some browsers - but can't take any stress. - My Firefox doesn't like it. - Opera 8... not too bad. - Relying

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Michael Kear wrote: For example, I usually design pages that work well in screens 800x600 or larger but in smaller screens, everything will be there but if lines have wrapped horribly or tabs and boxes have dropped down to a new line, I'm not going to worry. Is that what you are all doing

Re: [WSG] expanding / contracting sections

2005-08-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Drake, Ted C. wrote: Expanding and collapsing content has been near the front of my brain for the past week or so and I thought I'd send out a request to the group for better answers. Don't know about 'better answers", but I've used a panel switching variant for quite a while:

Re: [WSG] Spacing Issue

2005-08-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Webmaster wrote: "Keep in mind that not many people here will want to help you sort out a design that uses tables for layout." Are we not being a bit classist? Maybe ever so slightly, but I guess that comes naturally when one tries to use standards as base for web design. Although my current

Re: [WSG] Site which only works in IE?

2005-08-27 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Mary Wright wrote: I'm working on the first three pages of a new website, www.zebragraphics.co.uk/tcs, which seems to only work properly in PC IE6 and breaks in Firefox (PC & Mac) and IE5, Safari and Camino on the Mac. Can anyone tell me what changes I need to make to please the other bro

Re: [WSG] Expanding height of left column to fill space

2005-09-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Stevio wrote: What is the best way to expand a left floated navigation column to fill up the height of the available space? This column has a different colour, but the right column will usually be bigger. Is the best way still to use background image, or does anyone have a better way of doing i

Re: [WSG] td != div

2005-09-06 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Kenny Graham wrote: I know that divs are more semantically neutral than tables, but is wrapping an element in 5 divs and a span really that much better than wrapping it in a table? No, div-wrapping-mania isn't much better. However, standards and weak browsers put limitations on what we can do

Re: [WSG] Problems with print style and general site check

2005-09-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
James Gollan wrote: Hi, I am having a problem getting a print stylesheet to work in Firefox 1.04 Win. It works in opera and IE, but in Fireforx the home page doesn't show up the images as expected. Actually, I have found the print preview in most recent versions of Firefox to cause crashes regul

Re: [WSG] Tables - a challenge!

2005-09-08 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
designer wrote: I mention this problem because, in the discussion on table usage, someone (John?) said he doubted if there was a single example where CSS didn't work and a table did. As far as I know, this is one of them . . . ...it is? ... many folk still like to place their content inside

Re: [WSG] Site Check [BushidoDeep]

2005-09-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, I've put it through as many hoops (UA's) as I own, let me know how it holds in yours. Looking good in Opera, Firefox, IE6, Safari & iCab. IE/Mac is lost on width-- spreading everything out. --- HTML Tidy lists a number of "minor" errors. --- div#content-primary div.t

Re: [WSG] Site Check [BushidoDeep]

2005-09-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Chris Kennon wrote: What tidy settings are you using. I get one nested span error from the default settings. However, I would like to see your settings and results. I got some 'href lacks value', 'tabindex lacks value' and an 'action lacks value' -- in addition to the 'nested emphasis '. My

Re: [WSG] IE 5 Mac Conditional Statement

2005-09-12 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Chris Kennon wrote: Does the following statement work in IE5MAC?

Re: [WSG] Width / min-width and max-width

2005-09-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jacobus van Niekerk wrote: Just a quick qustion. Can you use "width", "min-width" and "max-width" at the same time? No problem. Here is the code: #test { width:774px; min-width: 774px; max-width: 999px; } #test element will be 774px, but should expand to 999px if the screen size is bigger.

Re: [WSG] Standards based visual design guidelines

2005-09-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Herrod, Lisa wrote: I'm more interested from your personal perspective and experience. Oh well, you asked for it. Pick and choose: ...plenty of 'personal' there, and I think there are standards at the base -- along with some pretty acid test-stuff.

Re: [WSG] Disappearing conent in middle column

2005-09-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Webmaster wrote: The content in the centre column (i.e. the main content) of my site template disappears on page load. It reappears as soon as you rollover any link, or drag over the body text itself. http://d81314.i50.quadrahosting.com.au/layout_test.htm Add, at the very bottom of your sty

Re: [WSG] Disappearing conent in middle column

2005-09-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Webmaster wrote: Hi Andreas, That's the bug alright. If only I'd thought to search Google for 'peekaboo' and not 'CSS content disappears' or similar. ;) Gunlaug's fix certainly did the trick. Thanks, Gunlaug! It appears the Holly Hack might also work ... FYI: The fix I gave you is similar

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

2005-09-20 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andy Budd wrote: http://www.clearleft.com/ Looking and working well in Op, Moz/FF ,IE6 on normal windows/screens (800 to 1280). Q: do you trigger the 'extreme font-resizing bug' in IE/win on purpose? Sure makes 'largest' large enough, but 'smallest' ends up a bit too small. Georg --

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

2005-09-20 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andy Budd wrote: Q: do you trigger the 'extreme font-resizing bug' in IE/win on purpose? Sure makes 'largest' large enough, but 'smallest' ends up a bit too small. I have to be honest and admit that I haven't come across that bug before. Did a bit of a search but couldn't find any details. C

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