Bob,
You have to take everything that Felix says with a grain of salt to
say the least.
Don't get into a p***ing contest with his judgement of font sizes.
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On Jun 6, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Designer wrote:
Felix
Chris Taylor wrote:
can anyone explain why branding should be included in the page heading
hierarchy?
Its a matter of convention. When we write documents, we always put the
big heading up top and go down from there. Its simple habit. Of
course the branding shouldn't be an h1.
The
If you are interested in being and all-rounder, don't let anyone scare
you away from it. I'm an all-rounder (designer/developer I would
call it), a one-man company. On my sites I do all the planning,
information layout, designing and coding - everything. (X)HTML, CSS,
javascript, PHP,
There's no reason to have to sacrifice on either end of the scale.
Every document should start as a plain, accessible HTML document. If
the information on the document is well organized and logical, its
already usable.
At this point, progressive enhancements on all ends can be used to
as the
clients, and I'll be damned if I'm going to publish rubbish.
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Joseph Taylor wrote:
Exactly the responses i expected.
It is possible to get good Accessibility, Usability and Design, but
usually you have to give and take
Impossible? Not if you have a huge amount of time to put towards
ironing out the issues.
Realistically, however:
Not only is getting .png's to work by themselves in IE a difficult task,
but the flow of related problems is even worse.
You have problems with hyperlinks that appear over any
This is a recurring topic that often gets some people going in many ways.
Testing and research always presents biased results (when it comes to
web data) and will continue to unless the first page people reach when
they visit the web is a eyesight and usage survey. That'll never happen
Jorge,
The site looks good. You might want to start by fixing the 246
validation errors in your HTML just on that pageno offense
intended. The other pages have similar issues too. (Firefox 2 on Mac)
There are a couple nested tag closure issues, which could well be your
problem with the
To hopefully answer your questions:
th scope=col
Should be self explanatory, but an example:
| header | header |
| content | content |
The describes the content within its column.
th scope=row
Would be:
Hey everyone!
I wanted some of you windows users to test out this site if you'd be so
kind on your IE browsers.
http://steveframe.sitesbyjoe.com
Please let me know if there are any layout issues you encounter (float
drops etc)
Some pages won't validate because I'm scraping the table-laden
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Joseph Taylor wrote:
Hey everyone!
I wanted some of you windows users to test out this site if you'd be
so kind on your IE browsers.
http://steveframe.sitesbyjoe.com
Please let me know if there are any layout issues you encounter
(float drops etc)
Some pages
To add to the colorful discussion...
There is certainly merit behind being able to design a site the way you
want. I've written private web applications where javascript was
required - cookies too.
In the public sphere, its a whole different story. Yes, you can choose
to visit a website,
McLaughlin, Gail G wrote:
We always ask the client if they require that the site comply
with accessibility.
Why not say Would you like a shitty website, or a good quality
website? Well-made shouldn't be an extra feature...
In fact, since its clearly cheaper and easier to make a crappy
I'm glad to hear that so many of us are experts on law and other topics
that have nothing to do with web standards whatsoever.
What does this suit have to do with web standards?
Well, perhaps down the road somewhere more strict governing will be put
in place.
Do we want the government
Gary Barber wrote:
Oh I agree with what is being said. But consider, for a moment. You
ask do you want a good quality web site. The clients replies,
quality means expensive. As long as it looks good I don't care.
So the client says Why should I use you with your standards and
I haven't tried Yahoo's library, but jQuery is just great. I only use
it lightly (getting DOM elements, applying classes etc), but its been
very nice to work with so far. No code issues.
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You're better off asking your web host about that one. ASP usually
needs a 3rd party component to send email reliably. I've seen CDONTS
turned off many times.
My old ASP scripts use the SmartMail component which has been
discontinued by the creator. If you mean ASP.NET thats another story.
I would try to get an old cheap G3 or something on ebay, you can get
them very cheaply and often with OSX installed.
The rendering differences between Firefox etc will be similar, but the
respective font sizes will be a little different (a little smaller on
the mac).
Joseph R. B. Taylor
Can my IE7/Opera/Linux friends please take this page for a test ride?
http://www.ellicottmack.com/home/homepage
Just send me a personal note if you notice a rendering issue.
Thanks a bunch!
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You don't need to add any styles to the include file. Keep in mind the
php does its stuff long before any css rules get applied which happens
only after the dom is loaded into the user's browser.
I cannot speak for SSI as I've never used it once. Always did asp/php
includes.
Joseph R. B.
I see no reason not to use multiple stylesheets other than a smaller
download time.
Each stylesheet should be separated only if it serves a purpose of course.
For example, most of my sites currently use this formula:
!-- CSS --
link rel=stylesheet type=text/css media=all href=/css/global.css
Good Linux users:
Can I ask you to take this page for a spin and reply off-list if you
encounter a problem?
http://allturf.sitesbyjoe.com/
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Using flash for your navigation is fine. Just set it up so its an
enhancement to a regular ol' ul/li nav rather than the only alternative.
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I'll assume the margin/padding/border reset is part of a complete css
reset/restyle attempt.
You don't need to set all borders to 0 - I can't think of any bordered
elements other than the button offhand and you'd add in the table border
settings as part of your css reset separately.
That
YUI / Blueprint / jQuery / MooTools / Scriptaculous / Code Igniter /
Cake PHP etc.
The thing you need to remember with any framework - use only what you need.
Does using a framework mean you need to construct a menu with
javascript? Heck no. Do you need to use any of the supplied tools?
The transitional doctype was created to simply allow an easier
transition between doctypes as people updated their sites to newer,
more advanced doctypes.
In the past it meant changing HTML3.2 pages to HTML 4.1.
More recently it meant moving towards and XHTML 1x strict doctypes from
An example? Text-only browsers. No visual styles!
However, a list of images is exactly what you're serving to the visitor,
right?
Ugly, yes. Semantically correct? Quite.
Furthermore, I'm willing to bet that plenty of text-only users
frequently encounter lists of images and wouldn't be
I'll chime in to mention that people who intentionally turn off CSS, or
use their own specific styles to override defaults represent a TINY
percentage of users. TINY.
For me personally, testing without CSS is a mute point since I spend a
fair amount of time creating a nice naked document to
Great information and clarification everyone.
If anyone hasn't taken an underlying message away from the conversation
so far, it is to use HTML 4.01 Strict for you web documents when possible...
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Joseph Taylor wrote:
Great information and clarification everyone.
If anyone hasn't taken an underlying message away from the
conversation so
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Andrew Maben wrote:
On Apr 30, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Joseph Taylor wrote:
stick with HTML 4.01 Strict while the work is completed on (X)HTML5
IMHO (and given the depth and breadth of the replies to my
All the javascript methods for embedding flash use a script within the
page to replace a div with the flash code, which is another way
validation fails. If you write an unobtrusive script that adds the
script tag to the page once the dom loads, you can write a fallback for
the flash for
FYI - Adding such a named class, especially with the name center or
center goes against separation of presentation and content.
In a situation where your HTML looks like:
div
div class=centre
my images /
/div
div class=centre
my images /
/div
div class=centre
my images /
/div
/div
You should
to use and id vs a class called center is this type of
situation.
Trying to understand more how this becomes an issue of separating
presentation and content.
Thanks
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Joseph Taylor wrote:
FYI - Adding
.
IceKat
Joseph Taylor wrote:
FYI - Adding such a named class, especially with the name center or
center goes against separation of presentation and content.
In a situation where your HTML looks like:
div
div class=centre
my images /
/div
div class=centre
my images /
/div
div class=centre
my images
Definition Lists are wonderful markup tools. They do create a nice
relationship between element pairs and I find myself sometimes using
them for lists of real estate properties for sale:
Something like:
dl
dtproperty photo //dt
dtaddress, city st zip/dt
ddprice/dd
ddbeds /
I've used flash sites that have been poorly done - confusing interfaces
etc. Awful Experience.
I've used flash sites that have been built well. Excellent experience.
Accessible? Not really, but...
If you're providing a fall-back HTML version you're covered.
Joseph R. B. Taylor
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You would want to use an external javascript file.
Your javascript file would need to:
1. watch the links in question for a mouseover event
2. if the event fires change something visual about the link and
whichever other link meets a set of criteria.
To be more specific, you'd have to
The reset.css (in the form you mention) first came about from css
developers who set the same defaults again and again as they made
sites. They obviously realized they repeated themselves and eventually
created a separate stylesheet to handle that. I did this myself (I
chose the name
Susan,
Firstly,
If you're making this page in wysiwyg mode, there's not much we can do
to help.
If not,
For your flash backgrounds, add:
param name=wmode value=transparent
and a wmode=transparent to your flash code.
A one column center aligned page is really easy:
html
head
Many parts of the object tag can make a validator upset - especially
the embed portion. You're best bet is to add the flash using
javascript via one of the popular scripts like swfobject, ufo etc...
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In the end IE6 isn't going to be 100% if you're using .png files. Even
the javascripts out there cause odd bugs - things like link over .png
backgrounds not working etc.
My advice and what I do in actual practice - use conditional comments to
address IE6 and lower and replace all instances
To clarify, when people use a definition list for something other than
actual definitions and terms, they usually use the dt's and dd's to
represent the relationship of the items within the dl.
For example - markup for a list of properties for sale:
dl
dtPhoto of Property/dt
dtAddress
Ladies and Gentlemen,
The opposite is true as well. I don't do work for large entities - only
very small local businesses so I can share their own situation. Theres
no question in my mind that these entities make up a huge share of
computer usage.
This typical office I work has computers
Definitely a table for a calendar, like:
table
captionAugust 2008/caption
thead
tr
th scope=colSun/th
th scope=colMon/th
th scope=colTue/th
th scope=colWed/th
th scope=colThu/th
th scope=colFri/th
th scope=colSat/th
If the markup has to stay as it is now, your problems are probably
coming from images for one thing. IE7 adds the 3 pixel padding to the
bottom of the images so getting equal heights will be tough.
You should be able to get the cells to behave somewhat with this classic:
td {
min-height:
Kevin,
If I may make a recommendation, adjust the background color of your
cells to match the bottom color of your background gradients so when
text gets enlarged it still looks smooth inside the cell rather than
having the graphic cut off.
Joseph R. B. Taylor
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Well for starters you're missing your opening html tag...
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People have already said this, but an unordered list, a little css and
some sprites allow for very graphically rich navigation that is usable
in almost all circumstances. I have been putting image replaced
navigation on all my sites for some time. You could even use a big
photograph.
Or you could:
style type=text/css
/*
-
I'm assuming you've already reset the
padding and margins on all elements involved
-*/
ul#nav li {
background: url(my-image.jpg) no-repeat;
}
ul#nav li a {
My 2 cents:
I've been coding CSS layouts since 2003. I've probably laid out several
hundred sites at this point.
Today, I always code on FF first (yes for the tools). Yes, Opera
renders a little more accurately. Once you learn little CSS tricks to
stabilize floated items, their
If you want to avoid captchas, my recommendation would be to add a
question that would foil a robot. Just explain that this field is for
that specifically.
Something like:
fieldset
legendHuman Verification/legend
pThis section is used to thwart evil spam robots. Fill in the correct
it'll prevent answers like Blue, BLUE, bLuE, etc. from triggering the
Robot! Get out! error.
Respectfully,
Mike Cherim
- Original Message - From: Joseph Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accesbility Help
Everyone (newbies to the list especially):
Just a reminder about the purpose of this list and some of the things
that happen on here you should be aware of:
1. This list's purpose is discussing items related to web standards.
Sometimes the lines of what fits here are blurred and thats
Matthew Pennell wrote:
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Joseph Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just a reminder about the purpose of this list and some of the
things that happen on here you should be aware of:
You missed out Don't top-post and trim replies
Correction on these links:
http://www.mucu4u.org.nz/Home_61.aspx
http://www.oneeast.co.nz/
http://www.colorfastsigns.co.nz/Home_34.aspx
The first fails as HTML 4.01 Strict - no good
The 2nd fails as HTML 4.01 Strict - no good
The 3rd fails as HTML 4.01 Transitional - no good
None are using
If you're using XHTML, inline elements (like imgs) need to be contained
within a block level element (like a div).
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:04 PM, James Jeffery
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A very silly question that I cannot believe I am asking.
I have never had to use img within the body tag.
If we plan on working in the web design world, you'll find that the real
world (at least for the moment) is far from standardized.
Frames, iframes, flash, nested table madness - it's out there on both
old sites _and_ new. Sometimes you have to go in and fix something on
one of these
Looks real good!
The list item icons aren't showing up in IE6 - no biggie.
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I wouldn't worry about document.write examples too much.
You just need to keep in mind that the book is designed to teach the
language from scratch, and quite possibly the reader hasn't scripted
before.
Starting from point zero, document.write is a good way to get started
learning and
Agreed. An empty div is nothing. Same thing with an empty spans etc...
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Ben,
That's a great link. It also shows that an extra empty element, while
it may be the easy way out works across the board without side
effects of any kind.
Yes it is mixing content and presentation.
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While the nbsp; does represent nothing in a way, it is something
and I would say that it's use would be slighty worse than a purely
empty element.
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Here's one I made for news entries on a page that uses the hcard
microformat:
http://onewebguy.com/2008/02/23/marking-up-a-list-of-articles/
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Sadly, many sites get built this way.
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On Apr 6, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:
If the skip link is serving a valid purpose I see no problem using it.
Keep in mind the purpose of the skip link - does the promotion contain
items that would slow keyboard navigation? if not you probably do not
need it.
Joseph R. B. Taylor
Designer/Developer
I took a look at your source code - there are a whole bunch of issues
beginning with oddities in your HTML - things like:
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN
http://www.w3c.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/loose.dtd;
HTML lang=en xml:lang=en
IE6 will drop your content down to a place where it'll fit.
You need to do something like this:
my_container {
min-width: XXpx;
_width: XXpx; /* just for IE6 */
}
IE6 needs specified width and then it'll behave like it was given a
min-width.
Joseph R. B. Taylor
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Ben,
On the spacing, the spaces you're fighting with are a combination of
line-height, margin and padding.
Each browser will implement their own defaults, so resetting the
defaults with a reset stylesheet has become a popular technique.
For example, if you apply a line like this to your
In the big picture, many things will use your website that won't use
javascript. Like a search engine spider. Or a crappy cell phone.
At the very least make sure your basic site functions don't rely on
javascript to work. Same thing with images.
The arguments/links below from Ted are valuble
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On 7/1/09 7:49 PM, David Hucklesby wrote:
Joseph Taylor wrote re: http://www.hellobenlau.net/wsg/index.html
Ben,
On the spacing, the spaces you're fighting with are a combination of
line-height, margin and padding.
Each browser
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On 7/1/09 10:31 PM, Mark Henderson wrote:
Joseph Taylor wrote:
David,
What form elements / what browsers do you mean? I'm curious
Tee,
It looks like you should (warning - people will argue about this) markup
up a table, with the column headings as the labels at the top. Be sure
to specify the scope=col attribute.
Then in each cell markup your inputs as normal, add your labels and hide
with css. Not very elegant, but
Mark,
I just add something like this to things that are for mobile/text-only:
style type=text/css media=screen.noscreen { text-index: -3000px;
}/style
a class=noscreen href=#placeSkip Link/a
It's not perfect (keyboard users with a full blown browser will have to
tab through them but won't
Tee,
IE6 is out there. Heck, IE5 is still out there (I made the decision to
ignore IE5 already). How you deal with IE6 (or not) is up to you.
Personally, I still have to check IE6 and at least make sure my layouts
are working properly. I try to do little things like limiting my use of
.png
Code example or URL?
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On 1/20/10 10:14 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:
hi.
so how
Marvin,
You can email me with a link and I'll help you best I can.
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On
Marvin,
I see you fixed the paragraph before the body tag.
I'm re-validating your page and will send back some more tips.
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Marvin,
As I send over items I notice - for now forget about HTML 4.01 or HTML 5
and stay with XHTML for the moment.
Things to fix then get back to me:
Inside the div tag with the id of banner_new you have double break
tags surrounding both the first level heading and the image. I see the
David,
I missed the items other mentioned, but it looks fine right now. The
only item I wonder about is the thick border below the navigation that
touches the double border directly below it. I'd use one or the other
rather than both. That's me though. It looks like a CSS oops to me.
No
Yes Marvin,
That combination is fine.
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On 2/1/10 4:01 AM, Marvin Hunkin
Marvin,
You don't need to have Arial on your PC to use it in your work. Others
should have to have it, or any fallback you declare in your stylesheet.
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If I understand correctly, you're suggesting that that overflow:hidden
doesn't hide overflow?
My own use of overflow:hidden has only been in conjunction with a
stated height. In this case overflow:hidden hides anything that goes
beyond the stated height of the element the rule has been
Can anyone guess why the columns overlap?
http://freemealcenter.com
Thanks!
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Oh no! Marvin!
Best of Luck!!!
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On 4/3/10 2:32 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:
I've read DOM Scripting by Jeremy Keith and it was a fine book for
what it was.
Haven't read this one though.
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Mark,
Marvin has been a member of this group for a long time and he's to be
commended for his never-ceasing efforts to develop websites without the
gift of sight.
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I personally haven't encountered any standards describing such, but it's
very common to see long articles break into multiple pages. Also creates
more ad places if that's your thing.
Others in the group might think differently of course.
Joseph R. B. Taylor
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You could certainly do that with CSS. You'll want to add javascript to
control how the image shows and fades, positioning etc.
For maximum accessibility, have the thumbnail link to the main image,
then have your Javscript/CSS hijack the link and show the image.
Everyone wins.
Joseph R. B.
it.
In regards of touchscreen, this article explains it better than I can do.
http://trentwalton.com/2010/07/05/non-hover/
tee
On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Joseph Taylor wrote:
You could certainly do that with CSS. You'll want to add javascript
to control how the image shows and fades, positioning
, and perhaps it's going to remain
a bucket of stinky fish guts into the foreseeable future.
cs
On Oct 20, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Joseph Taylor wrote:
Good questions. I have yet to see definitive answers for most of
these questions.
I've been thinking on this constantly as I try to alter my
Cat,
That's the holy trinity of web design: content, presentation and
behavior. ;)
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I'm sure this group would agree they are pretty much a no-no.
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On Oct 25, 2010, at 8:25 PM, cat soul
Eric,
There are a ton of ways to do this. At the moment I stick with one of
two formulas:
fieldset
legendMy Legend/legend
div
label for=My FieldMy Label/label
input type=text name=My Field
/div
/fieldset
Or if its a bunch of checkboxes or something:
fieldset
legendMy Legend/legend
div
label
IE8 and earlier
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On 11/10/10 3:45 PM, Kevin Rapley wrote:
I would be
Cat,
You can always use javascript to move the menu as you scroll to overcome
IE6 lacking.
As far as how important is IE6? I guess that depends on your audience.
The sites I work on have a (sadly) large percentage of IE6 users (10% +/-)
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.png with alpha channel is the best way to go.
IE6 and lower can't handle the alpha channel and make the transparent
background gray.
Based on my site audience I'll make fallback .gif replacements for the
.png images (that look crappier but are at least transparent)
You can also make 8 bit
Good point on the javascript repairs (there are a couple techniques of
fixing .png support in IE6)
Trouble with this method is it can cause other troubles (like links over
.png backgrounds etc) so be careful.
It all depends on what you're trying to do.
Joseph R. B. Taylor
/Web Designer /
IE6 would not load the stylesheet if set up the line of HTML like this:
!--[if (gt IE 6)|!(IE)]!-- main stylesheet goes here !--![endif]--
Joseph R. B. Taylor
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My 2 cents,
Your approach towards IE6 should be dictated by your site's audience.
Watch your stats. If you have a lot of IE6 visitors, don't they deserve
a decent page? If they're potential customers, wouldn't you want them to
go through and make a transaction?
Think of the poor people
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