(it is also a trivial
exercise to configure your server properly to do that), but that meta
element is better than nothing.
For XHTML, application/xhtml+xml is the preferred MIME type and it's
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HTML comment, but that's really irrelevant in this case). You need to
use CSS comments in CSS and HTML comments in HTML.
CSS comments are: /* comment */
Fixing these issues may solve some of your problems.
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support the 'content' property on any element, there's not much you can
do about it.
try something like this:
a { background: ...; text-indent: -2000px; text-decoration: none; }
Look up image replacement techniques for more alternatives.
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Terrence Wood wrote:
Lachlan Hunt said:
!--tab is an invalid HTML comment
how so?
In SGML, the comment syntax is as follows:
! (Markup declaration open (MDO))
-- first comment --(Zero or more comments.)
-- second comment --
(Markup
for download.
Firefox 1.5 and higher will report CSS errors in the JavaScript console.
It won't do batch files, unfortunately, but I find it more convenient
than a validator anyway, since it tells me as I'm writing and previewing
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focus into consideration.
Lord Vader's Handle Formerly Anakin
http://mezzoblue.com/css/cribsheet/#lovehate
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Lachlan Hunt said:
In SGML, the comment syntax is as follows:
I believe your original comment was that it was invalid HTML. While
similar, the SGML rule differs from HTML in it's treatment of whitespace,
There is no formal difference between HTML4 and SGML comments
may run into some trouble in IE with that because of the way it
treats 'height' somewhat like 'min-height', but you should be able to
get it to work.
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DOCTYPE that triggers standards mode and compare with one that triggers
quirks mode)
http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/quirks/doctypes.html
View the same tests in IE, and it will always show that comment parsing
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Geoff Pack wrote:
Can someone explain what the new Canvas element does that SVG
doesn't? And why is it a new element instead of just using the Object
tag?
It's an implementation of this:
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#scs-dynamic
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it was amusing.
Bug filed.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318210
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earlier versions of Opera as well, but I wouldn't bother testing on
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Matthew Cruickshank wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Since you're new, you might want to stick with HTML4 until a) browser
support for XHTML increases (IE does not support XHTML),
Heh... please elabourate on how IE doesn't support XHTML.
Try this in IE:
http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/wrongWithIE
Matthew Cruickshank wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/wrongWithIE/?chapter=XHTML
...if you use the ?xml? declaration..., then it will trigger quirks mode in
IE6
Right... rather than jumping to conclusions I was just wanting to make
sure you were telling a beginner
as text/html by default, many users
don't know or care.
While you may be competent enough to be aware of such issues and
meticulously test your document as XHTML, beginners who are unaware of
all of these won't have a chance.
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passwords, etc, and how to create a new profile. Reinstallation usually
won't fix problems associated with corrupted profiles.
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2005/12/2, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Try Hixie's content-type proxy.
http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/cgi/content-type-proxy/content-type-proxy
Is this a trick?
hr at the bottom of the page prevents it from handling xml. Any sort
of xml. Now how am I going
that they *must not* be served as text/html.
[1] http://lachy.id.au/log/2005/04/xhtml-future
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computer skills
and are not tech savvy.
I'll be sure to make sure all my future examples use
non-technologically inclined, gender indeterminent homo sapien
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Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Lori Cole wrote:
I am new to (trying to learn how) constructing standards
conforming web pages using XHTML and would like to know what HTML
editor you folks that are light years ahead of me would
recommend?
Since you're new, you might
a big part in the future, the future
is not here yet and we have a long way to go before then.
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Yes. Why should we attempt to hide the truth from them, especially
when they're just starting out and they need to lose/avoid any bad
habits and mistakes as quickly as possible.
Yours is a fringe and pedantic opinion, and you're being
anything before the DOCTYPE declaration will trigger
quirks mode in IE, which is basically a mode that uses intentionally
buggy, backwards compatible parsing and rendering behaviour reversed
engineered from obsolete 4.x era (and earlier) browsers.
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Christian Montoya wrote:
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Be aware that an XML 1.0 parser that was not built for XML 1.1 as well,
will fail with a well-formedness error if version=1.1 is encountered
in the declaration. For XML 1.0, the XML declaration is optional.
Wait, so
Matthew Cruickshank wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
I might add that my fringe and pedantic opinion is based on fact,
and that not one valid technical argument has yet been raised in this
thread against any of the technical reasons I've posted.
Ah, but the argument is not strictly one
well-formedness errors, page info dialog will
typically show application/xhtml+xml.
IE will either offer a save as dialog or cause it to open in your
default browser (it opens it with Firefox for me, because that's my
default browser, your system may be different)
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develop and test
your pages in an XML environment, even if you end up serving your pages
to the world as text/html. Learning and developing XHTML in a text/html
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if they ever attempt to switch to true XML, and why I very strongly
advocate that beginners start with HTML, not XHTML.
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and asks the user what to do with it (either save it or open with
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Plus, you still run into trouble when the user includes scripts and
styles written for text/html and untested in XML.
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plus RSS 1.1 which was developed a little more recently.
http://annevankesteren.nl/2005/01/rss-11
That leaves Atom 1.0 as the only feed format people should bother using,
now that Atom 0.3 is officially deprecated.
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http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/
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[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#content
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=text/javascript
var d=new Date();
yr=d.getFullYear();
if (yr!=2003)
document.write(copy; +yr);
/scriptnbsp;Cedar Tree Books
/div
p id=copy© 2005 Cedar Tree Books/p
No script (or entity reference) required.
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txtCopy.replaceData(1, 0, + year);
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Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
http://lachy.id.au/log/2005/12/xhtml-beginners
I am prohibited from getting comments through to that article.
That's weird, if you contact me off list and let me know what error you
received I might be able to do something about it. If you send me
Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote:
Just wondering if there is an altenative to textarea wrap=soft (for
e.g.) that validates.
Just wondering why you need it. In which non-obsolete browser does the
value soft have any effect upon rendering or submission?
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Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote:
Just wondering if there is an altenative to textarea wrap=soft (for
e.g.) that validates.
Just wondering why you need it. In which non-obsolete browser does the
value soft have any effect upon rendering or submission
paths didn't work because the page was routed through a different server.
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but there are some significant differences.
and even better, could someone point me to a w3c page that talks
about what is deprecated in xhtml?
This is the table of elements for HTML 4.01 and XHTML 1.0.
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/elements.html
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in fear of the table police, anyone who tells you
tables should never be used, unconditionally, doesn't know what they're
talking about.
Tables are only frowned upon when they are used to mark up data that is
not even remotely tabular, simply to achieve visual layout.
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Paul Noone wrote:
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Paul Noone wrote:
I want to centre align text and justify it at the same time. I've applied
the following mark-up which, surprisingly, does the trick.
text-align:center justify;
p { width: 50%; margin: 0 auto; text-align: justify; }
Thanks
for the web site to play with, which is
almost half the width of my screen resolution. So please understand
that any screen resolution statistics you find will be nothing short of
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[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/changes.html#a_changes
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and deleting the quote (Both of which you initially failed to do.) isn't
good enough either, since the message may still contain headers that
indicate which thread it's in. Always start a new thread by creating a
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Jorge Laranjo wrote:
On 18/12/05 1:25, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No-one can possibly offer you any useful advice on how to solve this
problem because you haven't provided a link, we can't see the problem
for ourselves, we don't know what styles you have applied and thus have
to forget it even exists as
an alternative and never, under any circumstances, attempt to develop a
page using it. Use of quirks mode is never a good solution to any problem.
[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-css3-box-20021024/#the-box-width
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Yes, it would be. There is no h element in XHTML 1.x.
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Bob Schwartz wrote:
Christopher,
+ getting into microformats
I guess I missed something along the way. Where can I find out more
about this?
http://microformats.org/
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referred to the Unicode code points since HTML 2.0.
See my article:
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As far as character references in HTML are concerned, they have always
referred to the Unicode code points since HTML 2.0.
Ah. I just saw
BASESET ISO 646:1983//CHARSET
International Reference
for
the original image files, they should have them in a format like
suitable for Photoshop, Fireworks, CorelDraw, GIMP, or whatever app they
used to create them.
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is as not-right as using tables.
Using a class name to describe presentation is no better than using
presentational elements and using absolute positioning for each form
field and label would be overkill. However, I'm not sure what this has
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be rendered something like this:
-
| Name | Lachlan Hunt |
| Gender | Male |
| DOB| 1983-03-07 |
-
Now, say, instead of knowing the values for each field when the page is
written, we want to ask the user to provide the values
the syntax of the equivalent value in HTTP
headers. It is, however, better to use real HTTP headers instead of the
inferior meta element substitute.
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that or no content-type information is sent by the server, or if it is
believed by the browser that the server is wrong. This is why, for
example, HTML documents served as text/plain will be incorrectly
rendered as HTML by IE.
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Alvaro Mouriño wrote:
Hi List,
I was just wondering if it is possible to set an icon for my site with
CSS (the one next to the title)
Either way, how do I do it?
Not with CSS, this goes in your HTML.
link rel=shortcut icon href=/favicon.ico
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favicon
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Paul Novitski wrote:
At 04:02 AM 1/16/2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote:
(The charset parameter is only really needed for text/* media types,
for XML served with an application/* media type, the XML declaration
is recommended for use instead which may be omitted for UTF-8 and UTF-16)
http
:
Can you please make up a small sample document that clearly demonstrates
this issue occurring and post a URI so that we may see it.
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useless for anything beyond that).
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with regard to encoding detection in XML.
I'm not aware of any case where IE will override the character encoding
in the HTTP headers, only the MIME type. Can you provide a
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documented by the
software vendor, then you should use application/octet-stream for
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add some submit buttons for add, edit and delete.
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will not have
accessibility requirements? Is there some restriction on the web that I
don't know about in which users of Lynx, JAWS or other assistive
technology can't publish on the web, and therefore have no use for a CMS?
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, rather than those that think semantically.
Do you *really* think that a re-specification will catch on?
No, it won't for presentational elements. However, the refined
definitions for the more semantic elements will probably stand more chance.
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we'll use the elements with formally defined semantics that UAs can
actually do something useful with.
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status code to
send because if they decide to change their mind in the future about
their URIs (like removing the redundant /current/content/) then it
could cause all sorts of problems with caches that respect the HTTP
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based layouts and even included a spacer gif. So, I decided not to
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compression. There's plenty of info in the Apache docs that'll tell you
how to set that up (assuming you're using Apache).
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the issues are solved (or at least more easily solved) by testing the
pages under XML conditions, but most authors fail to do so, or even
understand how.
There's a list of such issues in this article.
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in the past).
The problem is that many people see the issue as what will happen if I
don't follow standards?; whereas the questions they should be asking
are what are the benefits of following standards?, how much
easier/faster is it to develop with standards?, etc.
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.
You shouldn't rely on the browser defaults, some users may change them
and their choices may clash with yours.
background: #X url(../images/greenBG.gif);
color: black;
(where #X is roughly the same colour green as the greenBG.gif.)
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navigation appears last in the markup, then due to incremental
rendering, it is likely that the images required to render it will be
downloaded near the end. If it's at the top of the markup, then it
seems logical that it would be downloaded near the beginning.
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Todd Baker wrote:
On 02/02/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're assuming the background image will arrive. What happens if
someone has images turned off? You should specify a background colour
as well.
Yes indeed we are adding a background colour that its close to the graphic
technique in the future won't be the multi-column layouts, but
the new techniques being worked in the new draft CSS3 Advanced Layout
module [2].
[1] http://dbaron.org/log/2005-12#e20051228a
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-layout/
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div id=foo.../div
Then reference it with the fragment identifer like this.
a href=#foofoo/a
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, .customer-details tr { display: block }
.customer-details th, .customer details td { display: inline; }
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found that discusses this issue.
http://girtby.net/archives/2005/10/07/internet-explorer-makes-me/
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also do with mine? In fact, both are completely meaningless because
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Stephen Stagg wrote:
flashmovie{ display:flash;}
and then your document reads:
flashmovie src=file://a.c.v/me.swf /
This shows that you have very little understanding of how the display
property works; and probably little understanding of CSS in general.
That's already
right, except that in the end, we *are* catering for
humans. We just need to do so in a way that allows machines to
effectively pass on our messages to the user; and that is what requires
well-defined, computer-readable semantics.
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Angus at InfoForce Services wrote:
Most people have JAVAScript turned off,
According to what statistics? I think you'll find most people actually
have it turned on.
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Lachlan Hunt
http://lachy.id.au/
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The discussion list for http
paranoia, I'm sure no-one would mind if you quoted it
fully. It sounds like they're probably sending the same template e-mail
to hundreds of sites (just customising it to mention specific hacks).
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Lachlan Hunt
http://lachy.id.au
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