Re: [WSG] CSS2.1 now an official recommendation

2011-06-17 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Does your amplifier go up to 11? On Fri, June 17, 2011 9:03 am, Grant Bailey wrote: > Hello, > > I can barely believe that CSS2.1 has only just become an official > recommendation (see > http://www.css3.info/css2-1-and-the-css3-color-module-become-official-w3c-recommendations/). > > Could anyon

Re: [WSG] Site test?

2011-05-21 Thread Stuart Shearing
Hi Mike Transitions work on both the iPhone 4 and Android (HTC Desire HD). FYI - The iPhone displays the page full width so I need to zoom in to see the menu however on the android the menu is great but I needed to scroll right to see the the contact form. Regards Stuart From: Andrew Maben

Re: [WSG] pop up windows and Google

2011-05-13 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Possibly you could use: so they're not indexed in the first place. On Thu, May 12, 2011 10:14 am, Bob Schwartz wrote: > I have several sites where i use pop-up windows to present certain types > of information. > > When someone does a Google search sometimes Google lists results from > these p

Re: [WSG] Desktop. Tablet. Mobile.

2011-05-05 Thread Stuart Shearing
so I can’t comment further. Heavy use of graphics and gradients would make the site slower to download, especially if the end user was accessing the site over a cellular network. Just my two cents. Stuart From: Birendra Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 1:08 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE

Re: [WSG] Title tags - site name then keywords?

2011-04-21 Thread Stuart Foulstone
ent should also relate to the topic. The "keywords" you wish to obtain search engine results for, for any particular page, are presumably the page topic. Stuart On Tue, April 19, 2011 8:30 pm, Stevio wrote: > When it comes to search engine optimisation, are you better to list the

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-21 Thread stuart
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:10:03 -0800, tee wrote: One of my clients did an implementation on his site, year ago the usage of IE6 was over 15%; he had me put up an IE6 no more banner, 6 months later, the usage only dropped some 3%. Then I read news about Google got hacked and that Microsoft asked

Re: [WSG] images against color backgrounds

2010-12-09 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Might get some ideas from CSS Drop Shadows @ http://www.alistapart.com/articles/cssdropshadows/ On Wed, December 8, 2010 9:01 pm, cat soul wrote: > I hope I'm not bending/breaking the purpose of the list but wanted > opinions on best practices for preparing images for use on web pages > where t

Re: [WSG] Site for Vision Impaired

2010-11-28 Thread Stuart Foulstone
http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/PWD-Use-Web/#tools On Fri, November 26, 2010 11:25 pm, Daniel Anderson wrote: > G'day Everyone, > > I was wondering if any of you have done any work on sites for the visually > impaired? I have just started a projet for a school for the visually > impaired and the

Re: [WSG] best formatting for alt text

2010-11-13 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Or rather, start with the the semantic structure of the page, then insert the image into the structure appropriately. On Sat, November 13, 2010 1:46 am, Christian Montoya wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Patrick H. Lauke > wrote: >> On 13/11/2010 01:23, cat soul wrote: >>> >>> Right..I

Re: [WSG] Where are we with Frames?

2010-10-25 Thread Stuart Shearing
I agree, traditional frameset layouts should be buried somewhere alongside , however I have no issue with iframes and I suspect we're going to see a lot more of them based on articles like this one - http://apiblog.youtube.com/2010/07/new-way-to-embed-youtube-videos.html S

Re: [WSG] attribute selectors to target external and internal links

2010-10-23 Thread Stuart Foulstone
On Sat, October 23, 2010 3:46 am, tee wrote: > > > > Now I feel like the simpleton who tried enter the room with a long stick > holding horizontally. > > tee > Is that horizontally, perpendicular to the entrance or horizontally, parallel to the entrance?

Re: [WSG] RE: Fonts in MS Publisher compared to onlineRe:

2010-09-14 Thread Stuart Foulstone
But then again, how it displays is dependent on the fonts available on the site visitor's system not what some graphic designer wants. That's why many graphic designers make poor Web Designers - they can't get their head round the flexibility that needs to be designed into a Website. On Tue, Se

Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]

2010-06-23 Thread Stuart Shearing
On 14 May I received this from MS as part of a mass mail-out Subject "You wouldn't drink nine year old milk" "The internet is a lot more advanced now. So is Internet Explorer 8. When Internet Explorer 6 was launched in 2001... ... To keep yourself safe, don't use an out-of-date browser." So ye

Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]

2010-06-13 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Any bets we'll still be using HTML5 in 2018? On Sat, June 12, 2010 4:16 pm, Sam Sherlock wrote: >> >> Any bets for it being done in time to watch the 2018 World Cup on an >> HTML 5 >> video feed? > > > in a ie browser without any fudging? > > my initial response was only if Google are in position

RE: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]

2010-06-12 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Really? 12.44%(IE6)of 67.11%(IE overall) is 8.3% (8.348484 truncated). How do you get 9.64%? Stuart On Fri, June 11, 2010 1:57 pm, Foskett, Mike wrote: > Quote: "ie IE 6 is at 8.3% overall - lower than your numbers, but still > worth > testing for." > > Sorry,

Re: [WSG] Up-to-date resources for mobile front-end dev

2010-04-02 Thread Stuart Foulstone
No, it's proprietary approach, not a standards approach. It's like when people said that the very "popularity" of IE means we don't need to deal with other browsers. I don't think that was healthy. On Thu, April 1, 2010 8:57 pm, tee wrote: > > On Apr 1, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Micky Hulse wrote: >

RE: [WSG] FINAL VERSION OF MY SITE

2010-02-03 Thread Stuart Foulstone
nks with duplicate link-text pointing to different anchors which contravenes accessibility standards. You already have the anchor , so "Top of page" links should point to this, Top Of Page Stuart *** List Guideli

Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-02-01 Thread Stuart Foulstone
I have a chicken - explain how to make it into an egg. On Sun, January 31, 2010 11:46 pm, Andrew Stewart wrote: > Sorry to ask again, but please explain how the site could be made > accessible whilst maintaining the same ease of use? > > On 1 Feb 2010, at 10:31, Thierry Koblentz wrote: > >>> From:

Re: [WSG] vegetable page vallidation

2010-01-20 Thread Stuart Foulstone
yes On Wed, January 20, 2010 8:58 am, Marvin Hunkin wrote: > hi. > last page for this site. > still getting errors. > am i stupid or some thin. > marvin. > > Markup Validation Service > Check the markup (HTML, XHTML, .) of Web documents > > Jump To:Validation Output > Errors found while checking

Re: [WSG] font names problem in internet explorer

2010-01-17 Thread Stuart Foulstone
n the header, as well, to see if it works then. If that does not work, maybe it only reads out the header font-family if it differs from the rest. Try defining a different font-family for the headers. Just an idea, Stuart On Sun, January 17, 2010 4:14 am, Marvin Hunkin wrote: > hi. > wel

Re: [WSG] IE Issue

2010-01-13 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Why,oh why, don't people validate their code and remove their own errors before complaining about some browser or other doing it wrong. This is supposed to be Standards list. On Wed, January 13, 2010 2:34 am, stephanie campanella wrote: > Hey Guys, > I'm experiencing an issue with IEUn comm

Re: [WSG] Using CSS to select a tag having an ID attribute: page served as application/xhtml+xml

2009-12-17 Thread Stuart Foulstone
It might be that xml requires lowercase only and that the problem is the "H" in the id "div_Heading". On Thu, December 17, 2009 8:41 am, Grant Bailey wrote: > Hello, > > I've recently started serving my web pages as xml pages using the MIME > type application/xhtml+xml rather than text/css as pr

Re: [WSG] my final site

2009-11-25 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi Marvin, The semantics of the headers on your recipe page are wrong. Headers show the structure of the underlying document with the numbering indicating the position of importance and order. Thus, recipe name Ingredients Directions Country would relate the country, , to the previous recipe's

Re: [WSG] I.E Navigation help

2009-11-18 Thread Stuart Foulstone
What you're trying to do is alter the display of the native list structure - not the links. That is you want to display the list-items inline and floated left. ( e.g. .navlist li { display: inline; float: left; list-style-type: none; } On Wed, November 18, 2009 10:2

Re: [WSG] got some time to evaluate accessibility web resource?

2009-11-16 Thread Stuart Foulstone
A good start would be to validate your coding and correct the errors. On Mon, November 16, 2009 1:38 pm, Prisca schmarsow wrote: > Hello everyone :) > > Would you be willing to evaluate a website which is a resource for web > designers and developers on the topic of web accessibility and > intel

Re: [WSG] Including a DIV element inside an HREF tag

2009-11-04 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Since links are inline elements, they shouldn't contain block elements, such as and . Why not use (native) inline elements? You should then be able to use CSS to display them as you wish (including display: block if you want) using the classes you have ascribed. On Wed, November 4, 2009 12:3

Re: [WSG] recovering file replace

2009-10-20 Thread Stuart Foulstone
I'd recommend backing files up. On Tue, October 20, 2009 2:57 am, Luke Hoggett wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry you lost your file. > > As a precaution in the future I'd recommend installing some sort of > version control e.g. svn can seem a bit daunting to install or overkill > for 1-2 people but in the lo

RE: [WSG] IE6 display issue

2009-10-10 Thread Stuart Foulstone
;Try onload() event handler" > > Alternatively place the script at the bottom of the page? > > > mike > > -Original Message- > From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On > Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone > Sent: 09 October 2009 11:00

Re: [WSG] IE6 display issue

2009-10-09 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Try onload() event handler, see: http://javascript.about.com/library/bltut31.htm On Fri, October 9, 2009 6:55 am, Western Web Design wrote: > Kepler Gelotte wrote: >>> In IE6, although the image fades and replaces etc, the #header is >>> enlarged to accommodate all 4 images though three remain h

Re: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice

2009-09-22 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Perhaps you could use separate lists for each sub-heading then use the appropriate start value for each list. Using something similar to: http://www.arraystudio.com/as-workshop/make-ol-list-start-from-number-different-than-1-using-css.html (maybe an unordered list(definition list?) of subheadin

Re: [WSG] my site and mouse rollovers

2009-09-22 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi Marvin, I am interested in your angle on regarding the repeating alt attribute values in your menu, e.g. alt="Closed Banana". This would appear to be against basic WCAGC accessibility guidelines, and also totally unnecessary verbiage for the listener. What is your reasoning for doing this?

Re: [WSG] or CSS3 Border Background

2009-08-09 Thread Stuart Foulstone
On Sun, August 9, 2009 3:53 am, tee wrote: > > ... > However, seeing that HTML 5 has given hr tag a new purpose: > http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-hr-element > http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#flow-content-0 > > quote: > The hr element represents a paragraph-level thema

Re: [WSG] Usability in Links

2009-07-19 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, if the different links are in clearly defined different areas there should be little confusion, even with using the same colors reversed. If you mix them in the same menu, then there's obviously a problem of consistency of the meaning. However, what you should NOT do, from a usability poin

Re: [WSG] Accessible websites

2009-07-03 Thread Stuart Foulstone
sine qua non = indispensible On Thu, July 2, 2009 9:27 pm, Rick Faircloth wrote: >> It is the sine qua non of accessibility > > And that's exactly the point I'm trying to make...just addressing the > font-size issue > is the most basic form of accomodation possible. We can do better. > > On Thu,

Re: [WSG] converting CSS and XHTML to PDFs

2009-03-31 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Try http://www.expresspdf.com/ConvertHtmlToPdf.aspx with page orientation set to LANDSCAPE. On Mon, March 30, 2009 2:30 pm, agerasimc...@unioncentral.com wrote: > I have a problem converting my web pages, which are CSS driven into PDFs > (users usually do Right Click - convert page to PDF) - the

RE: Who's responsible (was Re: [WSG] add to favorites?)

2009-03-26 Thread Stuart Foulstone
The point of the introduction of Web standards was so that user-agent manufacturers can create browsers that render them as intended by the designer. And that, yes, in 10 years time the browsers that exist then (whatever form they may take)will still render them as intended because they are writ

Re: [WSG] add to favorites?

2009-03-25 Thread Stuart Foulstone
The Web Standards Group is for web designers & developers who are interested in web standards (HTML, XHTML, XML, CSS, XSLT etc.) and best practices (accessible sites using valid and semantically correct code). We aim to: * Provide web developers and designers with a forum to discuss issues a

RE: [WSG] add to favorites?

2009-03-25 Thread Stuart Foulstone
This list is aware of many "marketing practices" that are against Web Standards. On Wed, March 25, 2009 3:46 pm, Rick Faircloth wrote: > No, previous arguments still miss the point. > > > > Having a button on a browser for booksmarks is not comparable > > to having a "Bookmark this page" link on

RE: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

2009-03-13 Thread Stuart Foulstone
it" should match part of the title content (which of course it doesn't). Try removing the tagline so it just reads "Welcome" and test again. On Sat, March 14, 2009 12:35 am, Stuart Foulstone wrote: > > possibly something to do with: > > #websemantics a {di

RE: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

2009-03-13 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Err... sorry about my initial confusion - I've had a long day. Perhaps, "The text content of each h1 element should match all or part of the title content. " means that ALL the h1 text content, "Welcome - work, you're welcome to it" should match PART of the title content - which of course it

RE: [WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator 1.0 Released!

2009-03-13 Thread Stuart Foulstone
possibly something to do with: #websemantics a {display:none} producing an empty ? On Fri, March 13, 2009 10:33 am, Foskett, Mike wrote: > An excellent tool. > > I'm intrigued as to why this code would flag an error: > > Welcome to siteName - blah blah blah > ... > siteName >

Re: [WSG] a WCAG 2.0 question

2009-03-12 Thread Stuart Foulstone
No contradiction. "WCAG 2.0 Recommendation is the normative document." "Not all techniques can be used or would be effective in all situations." Therefore, any particular TECHNIQUE is not REQUIRED for conformance. That is to say, if you have some other technique that meets the WCAG recommenda

RE: [WSG] IE and the element

2009-02-24 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Which IS semantic and separates content (the link) from presentation (a button). On Mon, February 23, 2009 10:56 pm, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, John Horner wrote: > >> Thanks for all the discussion so far. It seems I'll have to re-code. >> I will definitely not be using Java

RE: [WSG] IE and the element

2009-02-24 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Which IS semantic and separates content (the link) from presentation (a button). On Mon, February 23, 2009 10:56 pm, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, John Horner wrote: > >> Thanks for all the discussion so far. It seems I'll have to re-code. >> I will definitely not be using Java

RE: [WSG] URL naming best practice guide? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-02-20 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Possibly http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990321.html On Fri, February 20, 2009 3:25 am, Chris Vickery wrote: > Thanks. Not really what I'm looking for. I know the principals myself... > I'm looking for a site, a guide... something more substantive or with some > authority. If it's in relatively pl

Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing

2009-02-15 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Also take account of results in published surveys of actual users. For example, see screen-reader user survey: http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey/ On Sat, February 14, 2009 11:35 pm, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: > On 11/2/09 05:59, Henrik Madsen wrote: >> What similar software / onl

Re: [WSG] Link issue

2009-02-06 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Another clue... If you position the text cursor (as opposed to the mouse cursor) on the text just before a link... then use the right-arrow key to move this cursor over the link... then the link works as it should. On Fri, February 6, 2009 11:53 pm, Kristine Cummins wrote: > Hi all: > > I'm havi

Re: [WSG] Link issue

2009-02-06 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Mmm.. something strange happening with line spacing, cursor positioning or something in this column. If you try and "block" (as in block and paste) a piece of text you actually have to move the cursor along the line above. Weird??? This could mean that you can never actually position the cursor

RE: [WSG] Users who deliberately disable JavaScript

2009-02-02 Thread Stuart Foulstone
See: http://accessites.org/site/2007/02/graceful-degradation-progressive-enhancement/4/ On Fri, January 30, 2009 12:29 pm, kie...@humdingerdesigns.co.uk wrote: > Agreed - people certainly aren't getting any smarter as far as web > technologies go. Particuarly as the web is now viewed as a common

Re: [WSG] Microformats & Accessibility

2009-01-20 Thread Stuart Foulstone
I think it's a clash between microformats VS html AND accessibility standards. On Mon, January 19, 2009 12:48 am, Ben Rowe wrote: > on microformats.org, it suggests the ABBR element and title attribute > for machine code. however, title attribute for this element will be read > out to a screen re

RE: [WSG] Examples of great high-school websites?

2009-01-19 Thread Stuart Foulstone
As I said - the coding errors. On Sat, January 17, 2009 8:03 pm, Rick Faircloth wrote: > What did you find to be so bad about the site, Stuart? > >> -Original Message- >> From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Stuart &

Re: [WSG] Examples of great high-school websites?

2009-01-17 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Perhaps the students should code the site - they couldn't do much worse! On Fri, January 16, 2009 7:00 pm, Fred Ballard wrote: > Take a look at Sullivan High School's http://www.sullivanhs.org/. As you > can > see in the homepage's lower right corner it's from the Chicago Public > Schools, http:/

Re: [WSG] SEO and Flash

2009-01-14 Thread Stuart Foulstone
If the text in Flash is accessible SEs will index it. Search robots are in effect blind readers. If text in Flash is accessible, screen readers can read it. However, sensible screen-reader users disable Flash. On Wed, January 14, 2009 7:21 pm, Christie Mason wrote: > It seems that SEs are be

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-12-03 Thread Stuart Foulstone
which could easily be a standard but is effectively not > one. However, complying with WCAG confers added benefits which > standards compliance creators strive for. > > On 29/11/2008, at 09:22 , Stuart Foulstone wrote: > >> It may validate, but valid code is just a pre-requi

Re: [WSG] inline-block effect

2008-12-01 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Am I confused? I thought was a block-level element. On Mon, December 1, 2008 6:32 pm, Andrew famiano wrote: > I'm trying to set a background color on a . I want the background to > be > the same width as the header. Since inline-block isn't supported by all > browsers, is there another trick in

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-28 Thread Stuart Foulstone
It may validate, but valid code is just a pre-requisite to achieving standards compliance. On Fri, November 28, 2008 8:43 pm, Dave Hall wrote: > On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 13:07 +0000, Stuart Foulstone wrote: >> Blinking text is against standards in itself, so how can you do it in a >

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-28 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Blinking text is against standards in itself, so how can you do it in a standards compliant way? On Fri, November 28, 2008 10:45 am, Dave Hall wrote: > On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 23:11 -0600, Brett Patterson wrote: >> What Dave? > > I was simply illustrating how to make text blink in a standards > com

Re: [WSG] too much accessibility - fieldset and legends

2008-11-28 Thread Stuart Foulstone
n assistive technology, but to provide a basis upon which assistive technologies may be developed and improved. Stuart On Thu, November 27, 2008 11:29 pm, tee wrote: > Hi Steven, thanks for the two links. > > I am replying in a new thread because, after reading the "Too much >

Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue

2008-11-20 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, could used named ampersand character codes. http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/text/specialcharacters.html eg ‘SOAP’ On Wed, November 19, 2008 4:05 pm, James Jeffery wrote: > Never had a problem with character encodings on web pages, but since I > reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an iss

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + in place of legend

2008-10-17 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Actually, the label tag wrapped around form input is the "old traditional" method. The "for" attribute method was introduced later to allow designers greater flexibility in positioning/styling forms whilst maintaining accessibility. On Fri, October 17, 2008 12:53 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > T

Re: [WSG] Accessible menu lists - using the pipe character as separator?

2008-09-28 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, Early screen-readers were not very good at differentiating links and would run together the text of two adjacent links so it was necessary to use a "separator" character. The vertical line (pipe) became the preferred character to separate adjacent links because, whilst it is quite verbose -

RE: [WSG] Lawsuits for inaccessible websites

2008-08-21 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, The WCAG guidelines state: [Priority 1] A Web content developer must satisfy this checkpoint. Otherwise, one or more groups will find it impossible to access information in the document. Satisfying this checkpoint is a basic requirement for some groups to be able to use Web documents. [P

Re: [WSG] Lawsuits for inaccessible websites

2008-08-17 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Section 508 is a minimum standard required for Websites of US Government contractors, etc. and so has been adopted by many other Websites too. It is not law, as such. Disability Discrimination legislation in Europe, the US and Oceania are all very similar and require Website owners to take "reaso

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=>price list

2008-08-11 Thread Stuart Foulstone
On Mon, August 11, 2008 10:38 am, James Jeffery wrote: > Disagree. > >... > > Again, just because something is a list does not mean it should be in a > list. Take for example students grades. The school needs to list the name, > the subject, the expected grade, the outcome (30/30) and a percenta

Re: [WSG] Tables for product=>price list

2008-08-11 Thread Stuart Foulstone
A list is the most appropriate for a list. The fact that "price list" states "list" DOES mean a list should be used - when you use the term "list" that's what the user then expects it to be. If you don't want to use a list (for whatever pedantic reason) then don't call it one. If you want to use

RE: [WSG] Correct markup of fieldset

2008-08-08 Thread Stuart Foulstone
-- Stuart Foulstone. On Fri, August 8, 2008 11:29 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > To my mind, one of the most pressing questions that needs to be answered > in any particular case is: "How is the fieldset labelled?" > If it specifically says something like 'postcode'

Re: [WSG] Correct markup of fieldset

2008-08-08 Thread Stuart Foulstone
If it's not a field it shouldn't be in a fieldset - which is a set of fields. On Thu, August 7, 2008 10:07 am, Paul Collins wrote: > Hi all, > > This is one I've never been sure of; should the submit button be in a > seperate fieldset, or should it even be in a fieldset at all because it is > not

Re: [WSG] Appropriate postings

2008-08-06 Thread Stuart Foulstone
I have no problem with elementary questions about Web standards. But there are perhaps too many posts about how to write basic HTML mark-up and elementary CSS. This is especially true when the 'poster' has apparently not even tried to validate it (and, therefore, not seriously tried to solve the

Re: [WSG] dl question

2008-08-04 Thread Stuart Foulstone
A is a LIST of definition terms and their description. is a definition term to be described (not title). is description of the definition term. See http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.3 On Mon, August 4, 2008 4:20 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi all, > > I was under the i

Re: IE6 support - was - Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-04 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Another problem is that there are organisations which still have large investments in a legacy O/S (MS included) on which IE7/8 cannot run. So it's not just a time issue for downloading the browser, but upgrading to a new O/S. On Mon, August 4, 2008 8:03 am, James Ellis wrote: > Hi > > Not wanti

RE: [WSG] Select for menus

2008-07-22 Thread Stuart Foulstone
A drop down list with a "Go" button is better than a jump menu for accessibility standards. If a user [can't use a mouse and] has to use the arrow keys for navigating the menu you will find that jump menus tend to open the second option automatically (i.e. when the user first uses the arrow key) a

Re: [WSG] Re: Form (layout/accessibiity)

2008-07-13 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Incidentally, the second part of the postcode should have maxlength="3" (it is always three characters long). On Wed, July 9, 2008 9:49 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have created a form which acts as a interface to a system outside of my > control. This takes UK postcode in two parts (postcod

[WSG] Please unsubscribe me

2008-06-30 Thread Stuart Sheridan
Please unsubscribe me -Original Message- From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:25 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: WSG Digest * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DI

RE: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-07 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Flaming is definitely off topic! On Fri, June 6, 2008 9:38 am, Ted Drake wrote: > Damn, this is refreshing to hear for a change! Enough said. > Ted > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Harris > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 9:13 AM >

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-07 Thread Stuart Foulstone
For discussion on usability of "breadcrumb" trails see Nielsen, http://www.useit.com/alertbox/breadcrumbs.html On Fri, June 6, 2008 7:45 am, libwebdev wrote: > Hi folks, > > My organisation manages around 7000+ pages for 100s of departments, > using a CMS. Mine is the only department outside th

Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo

2008-05-31 Thread Stuart Foulstone
But, CSS changes presentation - displaying something as "block" doesn't stop it being an inline element, just it's presentation. On Fri, May 30, 2008 11:18 pm, Adam Martin wrote: > img is only an inline element by default. Some simple css fixes that. An > inline element does not have to be conta

RE: [WSG] Marking up company logo

2008-05-30 Thread Stuart Foulstone
But the Webpage (or the entire site for that matter) is not be about "The Sun" or "The Times" - it's about the news. And the news is what the user is looking for. On Fri, May 30, 2008 9:10 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > My take on this, is that IT ALL DEPENDS ! > Every site is different. > For

Re: [WSG] Centering all items in a li

2008-05-18 Thread Stuart Foulstone
I seem to remember someone in a previous thread, about similar problem, suggested using, display: table-cell; vertical-align: middle; On Sat, May 17, 2008 3:39 pm, Darren Lovelock wrote: > Hi list, > > I've been trying to find a solution that will allow me to vertically > center > all the items

Re: [WSG] [OT] users - IT literate?

2008-05-16 Thread Stuart Foulstone
But that's not because lots of people don't know how to use the address bar, its because MOST PEOPLE find it easier to type partial URL's into Google rather than typing the whole URL into the address bar - plus if you make a slight error you get prompted for the correction rather than just told i

RE: [WSG] The Problem of adjacent links

2008-05-12 Thread Stuart Foulstone
This point originally concerned which character to use IF you use a character to separate links. It did NOT say that this was the preferred method. On Mon, May 12, 2008 2:18 am, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote: >> Screen-reader users have said that the vertical bar is THEIR preferred > character > > Really?

RE: [WSG] The Problem of adjacent links

2008-05-09 Thread Stuart Foulstone
The reason for putting the character there in the first place is explicitly to help screen-reader users distinguish between links. Screen-reader users have said that the vertical bar is THEIR preferred character (even though this means repeating "vertical bar") since it is not used for anything el

Re: [WSG] The Problem of adjacent links

2008-05-08 Thread Stuart Foulstone
>From a usability/accessibility point a view. The most common separator used in such circumstances (and therefore that most expected by screen-reader users) is the vertical bar. i.e. IF you add extra characters for accessibility, use the ones they are familiar with (usability). Addition: apparen

Re: R: [WSG] Alternative to align = center?

2008-05-04 Thread Stuart Foulstone
. Here is how you can do it with styles: p.right {text-align: right} p.center {text-align: center} You have to use the class attribute in your HTML document: This paragraph will be right-aligned. This paragraph will be center-aligned. On Sun, May 4, 2008 1:12 pm, Chris Price wrote: > Stu

Re: [WSG] Image links

2008-05-04 Thread Stuart Foulstone
happens when you go against the natural order of things. On Sat, May 3, 2008 7:15 pm, Dean Matthews wrote: > On May 3, 2008, at 5:48 AM, Stuart Foulstone wrote: > > > To be clear, I have a 1pixel bottom border on hover (It looks better > than the default underline). > > The pro

Re: R: [WSG] Alternative to align = center?

2008-05-04 Thread Stuart Foulstone
use your css selectors to isolate > the elements you wish to style. > > In the end, either choice will create the same effect. This one is a > little more "future proof". > > Joseph R. B. Taylor > /Designer / Developer/ > -- > Sit

Re: [WSG] Image links

2008-05-03 Thread Stuart Foulstone
PS As someone mentioned earlier you should also remove borders from the image, a img { border: 0; } (since some browsers will treat border as underline in these circumstances) On Sat, May 3, 2008 10:11 am, Stuart Foulstone wrote: > Yes there is a simple way. > > Set up the anchor h

Re: R: [WSG] Alternative to align = center?

2008-05-03 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Or use a CSS class to do the same, and .centre { text-align: center; } On Sat, May 3, 2008 10:22 am, Diego La Monica wrote: > What about ? > > > > > > Diego La Monica > > Web 2.0 - Standards - Accessibilità > > mobile: +39 3337235382 - skype: diego.la.monica > > web: http://diegolamonic

Re: [WSG] Image links

2008-05-03 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Yes there is a simple way. Set up the anchor hover rule using, text-decoration: underline; An image is NOT text so it will not underline the image. The image should be given an alt text description for when the image is not available. This text WILL be underlined on hover which is as it should

Re: [WSG] div/span inside table cell problem

2008-04-27 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Your problem is probably because your CSS converts the normally inline span elements to floating block elements. On Sun, April 27, 2008 10:41 am, Naveen Bhaskar wrote: > hi, > > I have a table like this. Each table cell has two values which has put > inside a span. I want this two values come ho

RE: [WSG] help with background color

2008-04-27 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Why The Fuss? On Fri, April 25, 2008 9:28 pm, Rick Faircloth wrote: > Chill, out... and watch the language... > > Rick > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of ?? ? >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:54 PM >> To: wsg@webstand

Re: [WSG] Path semantics

2008-04-14 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Depending on the circumstances, the cite tag may be appropriate. Stuart *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***

Re: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?

2008-04-11 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, >From a usability and accessibility point of view doing this is a very bad idea, so is way OT for Web Standards Group. On Thu, April 10, 2008 11:54 pm, Laert Jansen wrote: > Hello everyone. > > Well there´s something I want to do but I have no idea if it´s possible to > be done and how would

RE: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....

2008-04-03 Thread Stuart Foulstone
title tag anyway - it shouldn't make too much effort and may help in the design process semantics. On Wed, April 2, 2008 11:30 pm, Anat Katz wrote: > > thanks for that Stuart. > > We have already implemented frame titles, we were actually referring to > the page titles (found wit

Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....

2008-04-02 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, You might find the following link useful: See http://www.webaim.org/techniques/frames/ Stuart On Wed, April 2, 2008 1:13 am, Anat Katz wrote: > > Hi team, > > Just a general question - is there any value from a screen reader point of > view, to have a specific title to t

Re: [WSG] USERS - was [Why is deprecated?]

2008-03-31 Thread Stuart Foulstone
While yet another 50+ age group, who invented the Internet and the World Wide Web, continue to set the standards which stop it descending into chaos. On Mon, March 31, 2008 3:39 pm, Michael Horowitz wrote: > I find most do. I think there is a wide disparity depending on who you > work with.

Re: [WSG] nest heading properly

2008-03-29 Thread Stuart Foulstone
But the bold text titles in this situation are usually at the same level in the document structure so should have the same , say h3, heading level. On Fri, March 28, 2008 7:08 pm, tee wrote: > ... it's more than a challenge for a > complicated columned layout that designer tends to use h3 for

Re: [WSG] Why is deprecated?

2008-03-27 Thread Stuart Foulstone
d with any of the above, dependent on intention. >> > >> > I am one of those severely frustrated people who want to click >> > underlined text so keep it out please... >> > >> > I like underline on hover as useful feedback that it is in fact, a &g

Re: [WSG] Why is deprecated?

2008-03-27 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, Usability. Users expect link-text to be underlined. Many user studies found that when you underline other text users try to click on it and get quite annoyed when nothing happens (some users would click on the underlined text several times before they gave up). Originally links were to have

Re: [WSG] and in lists

2008-03-26 Thread Stuart Foulstone
sided rather than browser/user agent? > > /Svip > > On 25/03/2008, Stuart Foulstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> RE: >> >> "When I hid the using display: hidden; the list would render >> something like this" >&g

Re: [WSG] and in lists

2008-03-25 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, RE: "When I hid the using display: hidden; the list would render something like this" I can't say I've ever felt the need to use these tags, but isn't hiding the content supposed to be the job of the browser/user agent - rather than you using CSS. On Sun, March 23, 2008 12:43 pm, Thomas Th

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