I've been following this discussion with great interest.
I've taught HTML, CSS and JavaScript at a TAFE, but not as part of a
coding course, as part of a graphic design course. That's an
interesting environment in which to think about standards -- the
students were totally focused on design
Hi John,How long ago was this per chance?I find your comments very interesting because it's taken right from direct experience in formal web education (albeit to graphic designers at the time).In essense, higher/further education guidelines (IT/Graphic Design or otherwise) don't seem to be able to
Title: Re: [WSG] Web design education
How long ago was this per chance?
Just last year.
In essense, higher/further education guidelines (IT/Graphic
Design or otherwise) don't seem to be able to bridge the gap between
basic 'HTML know-how' and 'Web Standards-friendly' web design
techniques
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I've been following this discussion with great interest.
I've taught HTML, CSS and JavaScript at a TAFE, but not as part of a
coding course, as part of a graphic design course. That's an
interesting environment in which to think about standards -- the
students were
On 2/16/06, James Gollan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would be great, however, if there was a course that started taking
responsibility for the different aspect of web design in a far more
holistic way right from the begiinning.
I think in terms of four year or two year programs, especially in
Hi all,
First post - I teach IT and support half of the computer network for
the Arts IT section at Bathurst TAFE. We teach Web Design (as well
as other courses like Digital Media and Client Support) and for the
last five years have pushed for students to not only design using
XHTML and
Your comments reminded me that I had neglected to mention something else
regarding my TAFE experiences. Perhaps I should mention that I am 50
years of age and attended as a mature age student and not someone out of
high school, however despite all amounts of agitating and lobbying, the
Wow, I seem to have kicked off quite a ruckus. From what has been said I
believe the situation isn't as bad as I thought, certainly no worse than
in business/industry. There is still a long way to go, but we're getting
there.
So, points to note:
1) Syllabus documents may be out of date, or just
A large university here in the UK offers web design courses. But I don't
hold out much hope for the future when they have things like this in
their syllabus:
Without the use of tables, all web pages would have to be presented in
purely linear form. Many creative uses of the screen would be
Chris,
I've conducted several courses in CSS at a local community college where
CSS-based designs are emphasized. The faculty and students embrace Web
Standards, and understand the inherit value of using standard's
technologies.
All is not lost :)
Respectfully yours,
Mario S. Cisneros
A large
That's a major reason why I didn't go to university, you don't learn
nuffink(sic. :) ) useful. and have to pay around £10,000 for the
privilege
Stephen
On 13 Feb 2006, at 15:24, Chris Taylor wrote:
A large university here in the UK offers web design courses. But I
don't
hold out much
Hello,
On 13 Feb 2006 at 15:24, Chris Taylor wrote:
Without the use of tables, all web pages would have to be presented in
purely linear form.
thanks about such a sequence (or joke?). Ok, I read the same on the
'lesson4.html', there this is not a joke. But it's interesting to
read such a
I personally believe as "Accessibility Evangelists," part of our responsibilities is to bring this to their attention. These are web designing instructors, they are teaching more and more people to design the "tables" way, which is the exact way that we are trying eliminate.Stephen Stagg [EMAIL
Minh D. Tran wrote:
I personally believe as Accessibility Evangelists, part of our
responsibilities is to bring this to their attention. These are web
designing instructors, they are teaching more and more people to design
the tables way, which is the exact way that we are trying eliminate.
One of our responsibility as a member of the WSG is to "Promote "web standards" within the development community," so here is our chance. If we don't do anything about this, than that totallydefeats the purpose of WSG's existence. Where do we start?Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minh D.
Minh D. Tran wrote:
One of our responsibility as a member of the WSG is to Promote web
standards within the development community, so here is our chance. If
we don't do anything about this, than that totally defeats the purpose
of WSG's existence. Where do we start?
Well, as a start, I
On 2/13/06 3:23 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Minh D. Tran wrote:
One of our responsibility as a member of the WSG is to Promote web
standards within the development community, so here is our chance. If
we don't do anything about this, than that totally defeats the purpose
Chris Taylor wrote:
And, a larger question for us all: what are we as web standards and
accessibility evangelists to do about the continued ingorance and apathy
towards this vital subject, especially in academia? Let's hope that the
recent Target website court case in the US highlights the
Great! Please keep us up to date as I am very interested in hearing about it. Also, let me know if there's anything I can do. Thank you."Patrick H. Lauke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minh D. Tran wrote: One of our responsibility as a member of the WSG is to "Promote "web standards" within the
Minh D. Tran wrote:
Great! Please keep us up to date as I am very interested in hearing
about it. Also, let me know if there's anything I can do. Thank you.
I got an auto-reply telling me he left Leads to work at Manchester Uni.
I forwarded the email to the two alternate contacts the email
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Web design education
Chris Taylor wrote:
And, a larger question for us all: what are we as web standards and
accessibility evangelists to do about the continued
ingorance and apathy
towards this vital subject, especially
James Gollan wrote:
I feel it is worth pointing out that not all educational institutions
are still teaching table based design. As an educator I feel I am in a
great position to make a difference at a 'grass roots' level. Students
studying web design at our college (Ultimo TAFE) are exposed
Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design education.
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Chris Taylor wrote:
And, a larger question for us all: what are we as web standards and
accessibility evangelists to do about the continued ingorance and apathy
towards this vital subject, especially in academia? Let's hope that the
recent
From: Herrod, Lisa
Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web
design education.
Lisa Herrod is funny :-)
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At least we know now that that class "designing with tables" is not being taught as we're speaking..."Patrick H. Lauke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Minh D. Tran wrote: Great! Please keep us up to date as I am very interested in hearing about it. Also, let me know if there's anything I can do. Thank
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design
education.
What does that mean and where does it come from? Someone else sent me
one of those recently.
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It's an Outlook feature to recall emails once they've been sent, only
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Terrence Wood wrote:
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design
education.
What does that mean and where does
Terrence Wood wrote:
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design
education.
What does that mean and where does it come from? Someone else sent me
one of those recently.
Generally, it means someone is using Outlook on an MS-Exchange server
Christian Montoya wrote:
On 2/13/06, James Gollan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chris Taylor wrote:
And, a larger question for us all: what are we as web standards and
accessibility evangelists to do about the continued ingorance and apathy
towards this vital subject, especially in
FWIW. Here's an interesting item. Using the Syllabus Finder at the
Center for History New Media, I searched for web design. The
search returned about 189,000 results. As I looked through the first
couple of pages of listings, I was struck by the range of departments
in the web design ed
Ric Raftis wrote:
James Gollan wrote:
I feel it is worth pointing out that not all educational institutions
are still teaching table based design. As an educator I feel I am in
a great position to make a difference at a 'grass roots' level.
Students studying web design at our college (Ultimo
Mark Harris wrote:
Terrence Wood wrote:
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design
education.
What does that mean and where does it come from? Someone else sent me
one of those recently.
Generally, it means someone is using Outlook on an MS-Exchange
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Mark Harris wrote:
Terrence Wood wrote:
Herrod, Lisa wrote:
Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design
education.
What does that mean
Ric Raftis wrote:It was interesting reading your post James because it seems that TAFEs
across the country may vary widely despite courses supposedly being
drawn from a national based syllabus and providing national
accreditation.
Related to this, I reckon one of the biggest problems causing a
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