for forms, and even if a validator may not have a
problem with a fieldset outside of a form, it's still using it for
something other than its intended purpose.
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http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/access_onlinetools.html
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udes the DC method), but the way I see it they
don't do any harm either (and there are some useful things that could
be done with them, such as http://geourl.org or my own little Firefox
GeoURL extension https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/530).
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that in your server configuration (e.g. in Apache's
httpd.conf or in an .htaccess file)
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front. This way, users
that may need that info don't have to listen to the generic bit of
text first before getting to the part that actually explains what the
link is (in the above example, imagine having 10 links and having to
listen to "Navigate Back to" 10 times when all yo
by default.
So, no there is no better way.
Making the actual link text clear whenever possible, not having to
rely on "explanatory" text, is the best way.
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font-size set in the browser preferences,
though.)
I wouldn't say it "falls foul". If a user has set a minimum size, then a
page should heed that. It still *respects* minimum font-size settings.
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ow a
certain fixed size...while in this case y'all seem to mean the default
font size.
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e? I'm assuming you're already running something like
Analog or Awstats in the backend to prep your server logs...so what
functionality are you missing that makes you want to move to a
javascript solution?
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, I know...
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oping strategies /
settings in place to deal with their general web browsing, which could
go counter to the assumed "they'll have it set to their preferred
size" (since, assuming that they did set the size, it wouldn't be
"preferred", but "enlarged&q
t to a human user via speech output.
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aces (or one) the screen reader will announce 'blank'
whereas with two spaces it remains silent.
I believe that this is outdated information. Current best practice is
to use alt="", which should not create any issues i
SS background (also often they won't even be able to add CSS in
the first place).
For hand-crafted pages, done by a web artisan, it's true that using
CSS is the more elegant solution. It's just not appropriate in all
Quoting Matthew Pennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On 11/09/2007, Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For hand-crafted pages, done by a web artisan...
Is that what we're calling ourselves now? ;)
Yup :)
Watch out for my opinion piece "the artisan and the ma
in the next week or so, once I finally get a chance
to clean up the initial rough transcript from Castingwords).
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Quoting Simon Cockayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Adding DOCTYPE stops page functioning with IE!
Works fine for me (IE7 and IE6) with and without DOCTYPE. Are you
running it locally, and if so did you ignore the IE warning about
scripting/activeX ?
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russ - maxdesign wrote:
2. if navigation comes before content, skip links are valuable for certain
types of users.
And if you have content first, would you have a "skip to navigation"
link before it? :)
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the footer is more important than general
copyright stuff, then you would need to move it further up the page
structure.
IMHO, of course :)
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How hard would it be to have the list start with two empty elements,
removed from view in what ever way works best?
That would be dangerously close to "using markup to achieve a certain
visual effect" though.
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to appear
at the top of lists
Most relevant to whom, though? If I landed on a page (say from a google
search) but actually want to navigate further into/around the site, *my*
most relevant links are the navigation ones. One size does not always
fit all.
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mplexity of what i'm emailing, this can be quite annoying.
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ht
ail/Public/search?keywords=cherim
(though admittedly there are only 3 hits, matching an old email address
of yours, but still...all it takes is one occurrence somewhere on the web)
oh, this was interesting (check the first post there)
http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2312012
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be a good starting point for discussion.
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: Are these made with standards,
accessibility and separation of concerns in mind?
I think it's fair to assume that it'll use Webkit as its rendering
engine http://developer.apple.com/opensource/internet/webkit.html
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e WaSP EDU task force
http://www.webstandards.org/action/edutf
I know they've started looking at something along those lines, but may
have come to a bit of a halt in recent months (it seems that all us
WaSPs have been snowed under with other concerns of late, sadly).
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o what the output of iWeb was like.
But my point was: if it does use Webkit (rather than a monstrosity like
Word's rendering engine), it can understand separation of concerns.
Whether its factory-shipped templates are clean or not is secondary, in
my view.
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es, their
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they'll have to actually work with Outlook.
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es in unordered lists
* no support for CSS positioning
* no support for animated GIFs
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-evident enough, and doing away with
titles altogether.
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Chris Price wrote:
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Also, sighted keyboard users will never see them either.
If they use IE.
Or Firefox, or Safari, or Opera, ...
Try tabbing to a link with a title via keyboard, and tell me if it
brings up a tooltip or similar to let a sighted user read the title
Chris Price wrote:
I stand corrected.
You can sit as well, it's fine :)
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meetups, writing case studies to
put on your blog, etc.
IMHO, of course,
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Dave Woods wrote:
http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/
A bit old now, but could still be of some use...
http://www.webaim.org/articles/evaluatingwithfirefox/
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y offended by the use of that term (just
the same way that, for instance, a blind colleague I used to work with
generally used the phrase "see you later").
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d it works
reasonably well.
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apologies,
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visiting it to purchase a typeface (either
for your own use, or purchasing it for a company/colleague).
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ur
tools. We have an accessibility checker for ASP.NET and Ajax and we
want to do the same thing for Silverlight. But where we can put the
processing burden on the computer, we want to do that."
I'll believe it when I see it, to b
HTML.
Why not? Who says he *should* use HTML? Sounds a bit blindly dogmatic to
me here...
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www.
ifferent from saying "missing title attribute on
anchors".
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d users", fix it for everybody.
Your intentions are well meant, but misplaced IMHO. And, as I was
saying, it's wrong to say "you *should* provide title" as if the
original poster made an omission. This is all opi
Great discussion though, some valid points on both ends i feel.
Absolutely.
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it's proving slow. If anybody's interested in
helping out, give me a shout!
Patrick
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mode, are headers/paragraphs not
ignored (say as they're tabbing from input to input)? Sorry, been a
while since I actually sat in front of a proper JAWS installation...
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Quoting Simon Cockayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I have an HTML page and I want to (well my client wants me to) preserve
leading blanks in the value of a table data cell.
Depending on the data...right-align the text?
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riggered by the topic of accessibility...
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r monopoly.
Again, this isn't the right list to discuss libertarian utopia...
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est that as well, but then I seemed to remember
that old(er) versions of Safari don't allow for such radical form
widget styling. Also, underline (if needed) doesn't seem to work
consistently (at least in Firefox).
. i
think it would be out of line (ot) to contact the membership contact.
any ideas or better information?
dwain
how about you download, install, and run it yourself?
http://search.cpan.org/dist/W3C-LinkChecker/
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ings to the document or because
it let us center our layout, create faux columns etc.?
To create meaning, of course.
Once again, I do not say we should *not* use DIVs, I'm only saying we should
not try to make them look for what they are not.
Y
the world into lists. As I said on GAWDS, why not turns
sentences into ordered lists of words, and words into ordered lists of
letters, next? Surely that would carry more "meaning", no?
*rolls eyes*
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it.."
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n them (to gather stats on referrers, or create a magical
and redundant "back" button/link, etc).
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Keryx Web wrote:
He is telling us that we (soon?) can use application/xhtml+xml and that
MSIE will support it. Am I hearing this right?
doubt it. XHTML 1.0 can be served as text/html, and that's probably what
he's referring to.
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makes you think that they
will ever update the sites? Come IE9, the argument will be the same:
since IE8 rendered as IE7 by default, we can't now default to standards
in IE9 because it would break the sites that didn't have to be updated
last time around because of the switch...so,
e problem MS is trying to solve or sidestep with this
meta issue).
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sidestepped the issue and bought
themselves some time.
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hange one simple line in the server configuration to send the
relevant http header to signal that the site is old and flaky...
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olutely. I'm puzzled that browsers themselves don't offer a native
way of getting to the longdesc (unless there's AT running on top).
Incidentally, ages ago I made this small extension for Firefox
http://www.splintered.co
xt on
the right itself, or as a clearly marked link underneath the large image
("text description of this painting" or similar).
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Christian Snodgrass wrote:
(Most screen readers don't have Javascript enabled, so this is
a valid method).
Just wondering if this is based on stats or empirical evidence?
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tml#h-13.3
Fallback content for OBJECT should be placed within the OBJECT element
itself.
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ernate content. Does anyone have an example I can
check?
Try www.salford.ac.uk - there's a big flash movie at the start of the
content area, which is put in place via UFO. w/out flash/js, there's
just a big linked image there instead.
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esoteric elements on a regular basis in WYSIWYG view, this little
extension of mine may come in handy
http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/88/
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___
??
span
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...
http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/34/
I believe that what you're after is just
body * { display: inline; }
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font-size: 0.75em; }
to make it less obtrusive, but still quite readable and understandable.
It may make labels slightly longer, but on the plus side it saves those
awful "* denotes a required field" explanations and is immediately obvious.
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code).
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r settings.
Are we responsible if the
user distorts the normal viewing of our site?
Yes
How far do we go to cover this?
+/- 200%, maybe more depending on the type of site and who it's aimed at.
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Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet?
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm
Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can
run standalone...
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Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet?
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm
Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can
run standalone...
Ok, took the plunge. As already noted, it overwrites IE7
-73D0A413C8EF&displaylang=en
(time-bombed for July 2008)
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doubt that they'll make it into
the final version, what with that interoperability policy looming over
the IE team's head.
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break? Yes, just as there were sites that broke when IE7
came out. Mom&pop websites will break quite spectacularly. Sites on
CD-ROM? I have quite a few old Amiga games that only run in emulation...
I still say the article is extremely long, confused and confusing.
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using this dinosaur of web browsers...
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ly
says that if people *do* use target that way, *then* that link can be
complemented with a title, i.e. that page is about the title attribute,
not the use of target per se, and it neither approves or disapproves of
its use.
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nctions of Word to define the document's overall style.
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Of course, this all also depends on the target audience of your site.
If it's something aimed at the middle-/upper-class 11-16 market, for
instance, you can start to assume a higher IT literacy level.
As with anything, absolutely everything is relative :)
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es when you *can* drop the underline, if the context
makes it clear enough that something is a link (e.g. left-hand
navigation bars).
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?
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On Mon, April 14, 2008 3:25 pm, Samuel Santos wrote:
Semantically speaking, what is the right HTML/XHTML element to represent a
path or a file name?
Would it be , , or simply ?
could work, at a stretch...
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es of problems from the HTML 4 days...
"It is important to serve pages that validate as strict because
___."
Serving them as strict is irrelevant, in my mind. You could in fact
still have transitional pages, just run them through the validator set
to
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
"Pages that validate as strict are superior to transitional because
___."
There's not really a clear-cut answer. Again, speaking personally, I
find that using strict helps in my quality assurance of other authors'
work, because st
that one. Another very strong point: more
predictable = less time and money wasted on workarounds and CSS acrobatics.
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Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
"Quirks mode" is the best mode for the old bugger known as IE6, IMO,
Care to clarify why, exactly?
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nest...
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another (e.g. .centre { float: left; } ) ...
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them even without any characters, gaps,
whatever between them...
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Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote:
I like the idea of a title tag being used i.e.-
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" title="e-mail address -
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">first name last name
so what if i want to copy/paste the email from the page to another
document or something?
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Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote:
Although spam is a big red flag for many.
Which should ideally be solved at the email server + email client end,
in my view.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm guessing you don't actually administer a corporate size
spam-filtering 'solution' do you?
I have spamassassin on the server, and thunderbird as client - and I
rarely see spam make it through those and into my inbox. Does that count?
kate wrote:
The alt tag which is'nt really the right discription is really called
the attribute tag.
or...the alt attribute, if you want to correct people...
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ng. Has been working reasonably
well in all modern browsers.
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standard)
Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. Challenge the support staff to actually point
out where this statement from the W3C is supposed to be...
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..disregard my passionate reply rant...
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Andrew Harris wrote:
A poem is, essentially, a block quotation, is it not?
Not if it's your own poem you're putting on your own page.
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your flash itself is accessible; wouldn't work
on devices like iPhone and co...
more?
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up the DOM more
dramatically) any day if it actually provides an improvement to usability.
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