Merle,
Writing Java and Android programs (learning, i.e.).
Can't explain.
Who knows what drives us, sumptimes. ;-)
I'll equilibrate, someday.
Friendly, Cousinly, Greetings!, All,
--J.
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
hi joe..where you been hiding?...merle
is gone, alas. An expert in Desert plants.
Sorry, a bit off-topic, All.
But all Meals at Zen training centers depend on Plants, and plant products.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Yes, most of the upward pumping force of sap in trees is due to capillary
action. The calculated maximum
in one's family.
This is the best I can offer, today.
Yours!,
--Joe
SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote:
Dear all,
Can anyone define what is to be 'Humble'?
Since sometimes back one of my old senior colleague advised me that
whether you are right or wrong is not important, be humble
, and I offer them kudos if they stick with it, because there's then a
chance that they may awaken, ...and no chance of that outcome otherwise.
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
This is a long post, but well worth the time to read it - if for nothing else
than to have a good laugh. You might
feet high, or about 10 meters high, would be the maximum height
that one could pump water upwards in height, even with a VACUUM at the top end.
The reason is that earth's atmospheric pressure at sea-level will support a
column of water 32 feet high, and no higher.
Hail!
--Joe
SURESH JAGADEESAN
Howdy, Brendan,
Zen is not enough.
Twenty, 30, 40. Now, you're talking!
Years practicing formally, I mean.
--Joe
brendan juggler.sly@... wrote:
I realized that I am nothing. I don't exist as anything. Even reading these
words has nothing to do with what I am. Words can't have anything
and probably unparalleled exemplification and
advocacy of Naive Realism: it probably surpasses even your own.
--Joe
PS See the teachings of the Mind-Only School, a.k.a., Yogacara. It only
died out in India because of the Muslim Conquests. It did not die out
elsewhere. Ch'an and Zen have
and tenaciously cling to a View; Bill! notes Experience
as primary, not a view. I note that Zen notes what Bill! notes.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill,
PS: And btw Buddha lived long before Bill was born. So how could he have even
existed if Bill's imagination wasn't around to create him
in all this time).
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Laughable that you call Einstein's view of reality naive as compared to
your own when he was responsible for one of the two greatest advances in
understanding reality of the 20th century...
Go figure.
I'd wager that at least
. Not because they're right, but because you're
wrong. Manifestly.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
Your reply is an intellectualization of the very type you condemn...
Edgar
On Jul 18, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,
quoting:
He MISTAKES his experience
, awakening is uniform.
But, different Yogis will have lesser or greater awakenings, depending on state
of health, general overall preparation and practice, etc.
There is only one nature. Zen schools have nothing to do with that.
Soto or Rinzai are immaterial to it.
Hail!
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart
as, say, of the astronauts in orbit,
is not our experience, and is delusion: we have not experienced it, and know
nothing of it. We don't own that. We can only imagine.
Imagining gives no *certainty* of anything outside your experience!
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill,
I understand
, which can only
have been gotten by true awakening, and maintained by perpetual practice.
Else, you would not stick with it as you do. Kudos. You state the truth of
it, I'd say. Regularly. Dependably.
Credit, where it's due. ;-)
(others don't want credit: they want Cash!)
--Joe
Bill
.), or Wu (Ch.), ...and whatever it is in Korean.
--Joe
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You will fall into a state of complete unknowing, perplexity, and
questioning. Those who have done much study will even come to forget what
they had previously learned
awakening.
At awakening, all is forgiven! ;-)
--Joe
PS Thanks, welcoming me me back. First, it was the birthday; then, birding
over the Fourth of July, et. seq., at Madeira Canyon that kept me away. Then,
it was the receipt of my first Android device (a tablet); I had to
immediately begin
. And that is the *START* of Zen practice. Then you may
begin.
--Joe / in Lightning-Country, Sonoran Desert, USA / Summer 2013
merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe...yes indeed... the music comes from the heart..the zen awakening comes
as swiftly as a spring rain storm..merle
Dear Merle,
I *like* the way you snip!
Thanks!
The Kalimba is a good instrument for Zen students, or those wishing to become
so. I say this to be right on topic. I won't say why it's so: you (one...)
must do the experiment, as usual.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote
are friends. I like having friends who span the
spectrum of Human fallibility.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill,
Usefulness is a criterion that something IS real. Usefulness means it's in
synch with the actual logic of the world of forms and thus IS accurately part
of reality
Edgar,
That's not ego.
That's Wisdom.
Would you know about that?
That's what it's all about, however.
Well, Compassion is another word for it. They are not separate or separable.
They arise simultaneously. In perfect accord with conditions or
circumstances. As I say, you can't even get
Bill!,
Good distinction!
And I thought *I* was the Philosopher.
(well, I *was*. ;-) )
Well said, sir,
Kudos,
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Edgar,
No, 'usefulness' only means something gives you the results you want.
...Bill!
Edgar Owen edgarowen@ wrote:
Bill
. Caution, on all fronts.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill,
This appears to be part of your problem in understanding the nature of the
world of forms. The math out there doesn't consist of ideal circles, squares,
and lines as some of the ancient Greeks thought.
The math our
Merle,
Your sequence is interesting, but not essential.
And it's irrelevant to Zen work.
Realization, awakening, have nothing to do with math, or logic, or truth (where
truth is given as yes, no).
In awakening, a view opens which is True. But it is not yes, no!
You'll see.
--Joe
Merle
Mathematician about
trivial.
Ask a Mathematical Physicist, and, well, that would be cheating.
Stay safe, no matter what Math,
--Joe
Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
I have to share Bill's disagreement of math being a language or even being
communicative
.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Chris,
It's really dumb to say math doesn't communicate! Of course it does...
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* To visit
people. Dang!, we may even never meet! Even though we share
the same Human -- and other -- Nature.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
no no no mike..life is art and art is life..merle
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Merle,
quoting:
joe's back.
And my front, too!
Hiya; been birding.
Great Fourth of July outing, continuing onwards.
Blessings, all'a you'all,
as some people say,
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe's back.
welcome
merle
Joe wrote:
There is no math
, too. We can hardly ask other species.
Still, this may yet be off-topic of our Zen concerns. It's Philosophy,
instead. Which I love. But I am set upon following the Forum's rules. So,
I'll desist.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
I'll try to explain it simply
.
Bottom line.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
How does nature operate according to the laws of nature if there is no math
out there?
It obviously couldn't and because it does nature is obviously a computational
process based on the logic and math of reality
. that math is the language of Nature.
It is not. If it were, where would the language of a Goose be?
Math is A Human Convenience. It is not a Discovery. It is all Ours. Ours.
Cheers,
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe..is there no rhyme and reason in nature...Â
what would
Merle,
Thanks asking, Dearie.
I hope it suits Zen, but ...life is not art, and art is not life.
That's why they go by different names, Cousin.
That's why my Cousin is Merle, and that's why your Cousin is Joe.
Do you get it?
This is not Rocket Engineering! Easy stuff.
--Joe
ps (there's
connect yourself to GROUND, and lightning has a
good, a better, chance of striking. No fear!
What is GROUND?
It's not the usual stuff. Not fluff. A Teacher can help, here.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe..so awakening is not a spring storm from what i gather here..
.how can you
at the Sutras and see if they are complex: this is the first
I'm hearing about that, Bill!. Granted, they have a style all their own --
each one, individually, characteristically, like any writing -- but I don't yet
find them complex. Just rather rich.
Interesting! Thanks, replying.
--Joe
for
finding the traces, at the outset, and for testing one's realization, after
effective practice.
I continue to emphasize that there is no Buddhism, and that Buddhadharma only
presents itself in practice situations.
Bodhisattva-Bill!... maybe you can stop worrying!
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart
that
you have some basis of proof, and I do not. To be a deny-er seems to require
that you have some proof, too, and I don't.
Meanwhile, I go with the present! It seems you do, too. I think there's every
reason to do so. Here's to it,
--Joe
pandabananasock@... wrote:
Most people think of 1+1
was a KID, once!
Pls. don't play with matches.
best!,
--Joe
pandabananasock@... wrote:
Burn the Sanghas down, with all their books inside. Ash is wonderful for
gardens!
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being not based on writings is NOT that
writings are not used in study and training; but instead that the awakening in
Zen is not transmitted by writings: it dawns independently, separately, of the
scriptures. That is unique.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 musical notes
) ones?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumb_piano
Yours in Music, Painting, and Penicillin,
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
hi joe... music is the universal language of love some would say...
the brilliance of written musical notes is that it is a universal language
and brings
Good show, Mike!!
Light on yer feet; strong up top. Hell of a hitter.
I'm staying out of any alleys where you lurk!
Wouldn't want to have to hurt you. ;-)
--Joe
uerusuboyo@... wrote:
You got it!
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to check (stop)
oneself from over-extending, but I don't know how. Probably a married
householder parent will have no problem, thanks to plenty of cooperative or
competing influence.
--Joe
Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
The thing I like about math as a source of analogies for zen
, and accurately.
Meanwhile, and afterwards, there's Practice!
For me too.
Plenty enough math, also.
best,
--Joe
Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
I wasn't talking about enlightenment however, was I?
Thanks,
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Chris
for hearers. Some
even quote it. Some carry the quote on their cars as a bumper-sticker. Is it
sufficient? Does it make a lasting impression? Would it have been enough, by
itself, to put Him in the condition He is in?:
My religion is kindness.
Simple! Necessary. And, insufficient.
--Joe
of mosquitoes that annoys you?
Or do you, as a Bodhisattva, feel that it is causing sentient beings to suffer?
coffee time,
best!,
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
I think Buddhism itself needs to be discarded completely.
Zen, on the other hand, as it's presented in a lot of zen literature
Edgar,
But your reply to my post should interest no one here, as it is about form and
style, not about substance and content.
Do you have a substantive reply on topic? Else, we'll let it go.
tnx,
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
My point was that your long post consisted entirely
Chris,
I'd answer, No.
Form and style and content are emptiness.
Content is content. Style is style.
Apples and oranges are conjoined with a conjunction, not an equals-sign;
otherwise, so-much for diversity.
--Joe
Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
Form is nothing other than
experience does not intellectualize
automatically, but has the choice to do so or not.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
How your mind changes with the wind of convenience! First intellectualization
is critically important when you claim I do it in two lines, and then of no
importance
of the jealous
type.
Be well, now,
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe...not the apple and oranges sing song..be more creative..merle
Chris,
I'd answer, No.
Form and style and content are emptiness.
Content is content. Style is style.
Apples and oranges
Merle,
Why?
Just follow the thread. It's an outgrowth of my creativity.
Not an apple or orange in the flow of it.
You're a tough customer! And the customer is not always right, from at least
some perspectives. That's why I mention following the thread.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom
Chris,
Your signal is cutting out... .
QSB, we say in radio.
(fading)
--Joe
Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
I like that - KISS is our task now.
I find the most
Thanks,
--Chris
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the Old is never old
when it's alive in a sincere practitioner. Wisdom does not go out of date, if
it is Wisdom.
Thanks!, for a good question.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
First you say that ancient traditions as they were are to be respected. Then
you say they are constantly
Path -- is not yet Practice.
The history of Buddhism is a history of Change. And a big teaching of the
tradition -- and it is yet a tradition -- has to do with Change. All quite
remarkable, one of the more remarkable things on Earth, and directly concerning
Humans' lives.
--Joe
Bill
Bill!,
Every generation has a responsibility to the present and the future.
I suspect you personally are doing the updating that you can. Onward!
It's said that Buddhism passes from one warm hand to another. It's not that
this needs updating; it's always changing, anyway.
Joe Campbell
).
Vexations we're particularly attached to give us an especially hard time. I
sometimes call them bewitchments, and I like what the old-fashioned menacing
feel of the term communicates.
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
As soon as you see something, you already start to intellectualize
it in English, well, his something
might not be a Metaphysical inference, as you choose to interpret it, but may
refer, as I recommend, to the seeing itself: the having of the experience of
the seeing, which seems natural.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill,
Sure, but the point you
Edgar,
Why envy? Just stretch out those legs.
(I hope you have as much rice on hand ...and twigs).
If you have rain, *I'm* envious.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill,
I can tell this guy wasn't writing the book I am!
I can only envy him!
On Jul 1, 2013, at 12:04 AM
interpretation, and the clarity and correctness of my observations on
these points. You should also!
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
If you really think this is matter of bad English then he shouldn't write
something in English that wasn't correct. That would be unbecoming of a Zen
of the Human Heart, and the realization of our full Human inheritance. In the
Zen sect, it's established that Zazen is essential to eventual
sudden-awakening, and not knowledge; and there are at least a dozen or two
other practices that cooperate.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe
Edgar,
Nope, I'm not talking about intellectualizing.
I'm talking about our subject.
I know you're up to it, so c'mon! When you have a chance; if you want.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
Boy, talk about intellectualizing!
:-)
Edgar
On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Joe
moot. One finds this
out, suddenly, in the practice of our Zen sect. And moves on.
w/ best rgds,
--Joe
pandabananasock@... wrote:
That's just it, though. It doesn't matter how, and the why is always the
same. You only 'escape' into fugitivery.
Crazy part is, you're the warden! Why
Mike,
It's got a ring to it, soothing to these Hudson River ears ...now well West of
the Hudson, in the land of dry rivers.
Wishing you strong practice,
--Joe
uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Joe, Kud'n 'ert, innit. As we say in Cardiff.
Current Book
-butchering: general sawdust-making; and sweeping-up.
Best wishes, every day,
--Joe
uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Joe, Happy Birthday, geezer!
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, though.
I make no judgement! Nor do I sympathize. It's illusory, but is a real
physiological manifestation nonetheless in people, so-suffering.
I count my lucky stars. And bid you, et al., Peace!,
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill,
I think it's a matter of definition
with Art, and technic. As in numbers. I think
we're lucky. And lucky, too, to be able to drop them.
--Joe
Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
Don't forget the eightfold way.
I have heard it speculated that numbered lists make it easier in an oral
tradition to remember stuff
in the masthead of this site, then come back with that and tie it in.
--Joe
SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote:
A TERRIFYING LOOK AT THE CONTROL OF WEATHER WARFARE -- A LOOK AT HAARP
We shall take a basic look at the technology involved in controlling
the weather.
We shall try
if I'm a century awry.
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Edgar,
I agree 100% with that! Like the Noble Eightfold Path: Right Speech, Right
Thought, Right Intentions, etc... Why do they name only 8 classes? Why do
they name classes at all? Why not just: Live Right? And anyway
of what makes them Wise.
Hasty people live for the next thing, not for Now. And don't see where Now has
*graciously* come from.
But, they are to be forgiven!
That's why Wisdom and Compassion are preserved, and transmitted. For them, and
fo all.
Anyway, a new generation is born TODAY.
--Joe
challenge those here with numeracy-antipathy
to weigh-in on this point. Or other points.
hail,
--Joe
uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Edgar, No worries. Btw, Buddha would've been an Apple user. Sent from Yahoo!
Mail for iPad
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Mike,
quoting:
( I know, I know! There is no other shore ; )
Shore, shore.
--Joe
uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Bill!, The only thing I would say in response is that the Buddha Dharma is
far more that just a tool to motivate, but is actually a path that can take
you to the other shore ( I know
, here, when you express
them. Please desist in that.
thanks
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Mike,
No, this is not the correct understanding of karma. It can't just be changed
anytime. People are always bound by prior actions according to the karma
theory.
You are confusing
generations.
best!,
--Joe
uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Joe, What? Are you saying I couldn't be a Zen master? I'll have you know I
read a book on Zen once. Well, ok - it was a pamphlet about the temple I was
visiting. But it was very informative pamphlet. With pictures and all
,
and Emptiness.
To me it seems wonderful and wholesome that Zen Buddhism embraces,
encompasses, and yet transcends BOTH these views, ...which are philosophies
that individually seem SO different viewed just on their own.
With best regards,
--Joe
Suresh varamtha@... wrote:
Dear Joe,
Thanks
generate.
Well, a brief reply. I encourage you not to worry! Note that the wording and
phraseology used in the article is alarmist. This is not journalism; it is
propaganda. Rest easy, HAARP had nothingto do, and can have nothing to do,
with India's flooding.
--Joe
SURESH JAGADEESAN
nothing to
do with the tradition.
That is school yard taunting, is incorrect, and should not be tolerated here.
thanks, Moderators, for your further and better consideration,
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
First, the law of karma is nonsense. I'm not defending it, just explaining
Bill!,
Will you please moderate this fellow? His continued blatant assertions are
offensive and inappropriate in a civil forum.
w/ thanks!,
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
All religions are CRAZY. They are delusional nonsense long refuted by science.
Zen is revealing
: they do not exist in the abstract,
but only in warm-blooded Mammals called Humans.
Please realize this.
Stop your named-calling and insulting characterizations. Please.
For the good of this Forum.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Civility applies to persons on the list, not abstract
and Transmitted Dharma Heir of Dainin
Katagiri Roshi.
Katagiriri Roshi (1928 - 1990) was a first-generation Japanese Soto Priest in
USA, Founder and Abbot of Minnesota Zen Meditation Center, Minneapolis, MN, USA.
--Joe
uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Edgar, There is no confusion in what I said at all
Edgar,
Take the same advice.
Your insults are beyond the pale, especially for a presumed moderator.
See Chris' Posting Tips, as well.
I give this advice as a friendly suggestion, and for the benefit of all here
concerned. tnx,
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
Stop your
civilly. It's the Zen thing to do, but we don't need to invoke that
to incur civility and respect.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Stop your carping and reread the rules... The moderators have agreed on the
rules and it's not up to you to change them. A single complaint is OK
Edgar,
Just don't incur the need for it, and post civilly.
Problem solved!
We'll let it go at that.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Joe,
Changing a thread title is fine and is encouraged when the poster wants to
transition to a new thread. Nothing wrong with it at all
PBS,
I think it's right.
It depends on what one escapes into, and maybe even on how, and why. Or if
escape is the truth of the matter.
Any other pointers, perfume advisories, or menu recommendations?
I'm having my birthday cake in 30 minutes.
Be free, healthy,
in the Dharma,
--Joe
Mike,
Couldn' hoit, as we say in N' Yawk.
--J.
uerusuboyo@... wrote:
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the great work you're doing. Onward!
Sincerely,
--Joe
PS (Sober, and talking sense; eating Birthday Cake; drinking coffee).
SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote:
Dear all,
This is not my article, but since it compares Buddha with Hindu god I
thought let us see your view.
Best regards
Bill!,
I would nominate Mike and Chris as possible Moderators-in-Waiting.
--Joe / the-Immoderate
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Mike,
There are two of us so we will moderate ourselves. We will also listen to
any complaints or suggestions any of you have.
Also, if anyone wants
Edgar,
Well, then, you acted in that public post to Bill! as a collector of dirty
laundry, while wearing the same. Pot calling the driven-snow black.
That's all I'll say in connection with the past sad behavior here.
--Joe
Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
MIke and Bill,
This is funny
Mike,
Now, I nominated you as a co-Moderator, not as a Ch'an / Zen Master!:
uniform = Robe
stick = Kyosaku / Shiang Ban
arrest = arrest the illusory activity of the false mind
But, I can make any sort of stick, to your specifications (send email).
--Joe
uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Joe, Only if I
success!,
--Joe
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Suresh varamtha@... wrote:
Dear Joe,
I understand your concern.
The members of other forum describe that catastrophe as order of god or fate
or Karma. I oppose as it is nothing to do with god, fate or Karma, it is
science's cause
not be fair or appropriate, and would be inconsiderate of
the OP and the original intentions of posting.
I opine that this is an idea better appreciated as an Idea, and left
un-implemented.
Interesting!, though. There may be places where it works.
--Joe
chan.jmjm@... wrote:
Hi Bill
Mike,
Good show! No attempt: a fine, done deal!
New York - Philly, train
How the cars, and I, do flow;
Ninety miles, to go!
--Joe
uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Joe, Here's my East meets West attempt:
Last train kept rollin'
Bladder full, back teeth floatin'
This rice wine evening
,
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Nighty-night all...I'll pick up any comments in the morning and we can get
this finalized and in place.
Thanks...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@ wrote:
This is the policy Edgar, Al and I have come up with regarding future Posts
begin NEW threads if they like, and not sponge-off of concentrated,
dedicated ones.
I hope you can see a way to discourage the changing of thread titles in the
guidelines of any draft- and adopted-Posting/Replying policy.
thanks!
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
This is the policy Edgar, Al
Buddhism, Ch'an, etc. That might be a stretch.
But regardless, see what you can do to summarize your concern and question
BRIEFLY. I might learn something. Thank you!
--Joe
varamtha@... wrote:
Dear Joe,
Below my mail was not approved by other forum. Am I wrong in my view, please
comment
):
..it's not dumbing down we need but greater clarification
Thanks!
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
hong..we are all ONE...merle
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Rgds,
--Joe
ps I doubt there's any animal that takes delight in the fact that humans
torure.
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe..humans practise torture..name me an animal that takes delight in
this...merle
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you can do more to inform yourself.
--J.
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
SO?..what's your point joe?..merle
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Merle,
Dang, I thought you'd given up.
You are too compassionate! ;-)
--Joe
ps I did not snip a morsel, below. Well, out of consideration for you (and
Edgar, Mr.-Emasculation), I used Pinking Shears.
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
joe.. and you too mike
for christ's sake..you
Merle,
Take your bigotry and hide away with it.
Why are you pretending to aggrandize yourself and slander others? Remember the
Sixth Precept. Of Buddhism.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
and while i'm at it...
i have a saying...once a catholic always a catholic..
at least
Bill!,
Dunno about many! I'm dubious.
But maybe someone skilled in The Multiplication of the Loaves could
miraculously incite mitosis of the pelts.
One meal won't help a cat's coat very much. Tigers eat about 182.5 times per
annum.
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Joe and Merle
brushes; I keep them in a tight container when not
in use, with a mothball fragment inside. Also, store my violin bows and cello
bows in a bow case, with several Bay Leaves inside: makes me hungry for Pea
Soup whenever I play! Bay Leaf oil is a good repellent of moths.
w/ Cheers,
--Joe
Bill
a (delicious) Meat Ball in your eye,
--Giuseppe Luigi Federico M.
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Yeah Joe!
Don't complain about the slight transgression of the 6th Precept in your
fellow forum members' eye when there is a big fat cat hair-ball in your eye
Bill!,
I'd be glad if that's so, and would make proper apologies as warranted. But, I
think it's otherwise.
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
I don't think Merle meant 'snipping', as in editing. I think she meant
'sniping', as in 'taking pot-shots
behavior, and Character.
Zen practice is for the perfection of human Character. Perfection is the
Original. It is not an attainment. Not a pinnacle. It is an erasure of all
attainments.
--Joe
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
i point to Nelson Mandela as one who has reached the pinnacle
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