uddha Mind
BEFORE and AFTER kensho is the awareness of training wheels.
That's the best I can come up with right now...Bill!
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Of ED
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 8:33 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
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ED,
JM realized he had mistaken samadhi for sama sambuddha.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 25/11/10, ED wrote:
From: ED
Subject: Re: [Zen] Three Buddhist Practices
To: zen_foru...@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 9:33 PM
Anthony,
My reading and yours is that samadhi
Hi Ed,
True. In the world of words, instead of emptiness, I prefer to use the
phrase of "incomplete".
Every perspective is a valid one, just incomplete.
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On 11/25/2010 6:50 AM, ED wrote:
JMJM,
JMJM,
Emptiness maybe, but more pertinent to our discussion, according to
Bill, they should not be of interest to anyone else as they are not
*their* experience.
--ED
PS: I do not necessarily disagree with Bill.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming wrote:
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Ed,
Correct. A
Anthony,
I notice that JMJM in one of his more recent posts agrees with the
samadhi, kensho, satori temporal sequence.
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wrote:
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Anthony,
My reading and yours is that samadhi precedes kenso/satori. I would like
to see how JMJM justifies his statem
Anthony,
My reading and yours is that samadhi precedes kenso/satori. I would like
to see how JMJM justifies his statement that kensho/satori precedes
samadhi.
I am under the impression that Bill asserts that samadhi is no other
than kensho-satori.
--ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anth
ED/JMJM,
I think JM means kensho is prior to samadhi, which is way before satori. JM's
position is unique.
Anthony
--- On Thu, 25/11/10, ED wrote:
From: ED
Subject: Re: [Zen] Three Buddhist Practices
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 8:56 AM
/* wrote:
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Subject: Re: [Zen] Three Buddhist Practices
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 24 November, 2010, 8:47 AM
Hi Anthony,
1. Yes, you are right。 Kensho『見性』 is resulted from sitting,
which is a state before Samad
AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Three Buddhist Practices
Lluis,
Probably both Emperor Akbhar and the Sixth Patriarch Huinent were
dislexic, and both were very intelligent as well. They have a lot in common.
The Sixth Patriarch Huineng does not belong to any Tibetan lineages such as
Ed,
Correct. All these description are "description of experience". No one
in the world can know you what you have experienced. Therefore the
description of any states is just emptiness.
Therefore these type of discussion is emptiness.. :-)
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Hi JMJM,
All you can tcorrectly assert is that you have experiened something. You
cannot all by yourself tell whether what you have experienced is samadhi
or kensho.
--ED
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> Hi Ed,
>
> I don't have any position. These are my pers
Hi Ed,
I don't have any position. These are my personal experience. You could
have your personal experience. Each journey of ours is unique. Each
journey is precious. What is yours? However you say it is, it is not.
Diamond sutra already repeated this over and over with 5,000 words for
JMJM,
Do you have a reference to support you position that kensho is prior to
satori?
Thanks, ED
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote:
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> JMJM,
>
> You say: " Kensho" is resulted from sitting, which is a state before
Samadhi"
> I think kensho results from sitting and it is
/11/10, Lluís Mendieta wrote:
From: Lluís Mendieta
Subject: Re: [Zen] Three Buddhist Practices
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 5:34 AM
Hi, Anthony
"You say: " The Sixth Patriarch did not even read or write." Yes, you are
right, but
nderings.
With best wishes
Lluís
- Original Message -
From: Anthony Wu
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Three Buddhist Practices
JMJM,
You say: " Kensho『見性』 is resulted from sitting
覺妙精明 wrote:
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Subject: Re: [Zen] Three Buddhist Practices
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 24 November, 2010, 8:47 AM
Hi Anthony,
1. Yes, you are right。 Kensho『見性』 is resulted from sitting, which is a state
before Samadhi『三摩地』。All these descr
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming wrote:
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> Hi Anthony,
>
> 1. Yes, you are right, Kensho is resulted from sitting, which is a
state before Samadhi ...
"Student: What is the relationship between samadhi and kensho?
Daido Roshi: Samadhi can eventually lead to kensho. Ken
Hi Anthony,
1. Yes, you are right。 Kensho『見性』 is resulted from sitting, which
is a state before Samadhi『三摩地』。All these descriptions are resulted
from sitting. No different from describing the taste of Apple.
2. Don't know what you were trying to say.
3. Heart is everything you were talkin
JMJM,
Most of your remarks make sense. But there is a problem with the following:
Most of us consider kensho a result of stillness, but you think it the other
way around.
Yes, the Sixth Patriarch did not write, because he was unable to. He was
illiterate. That does not mean he did not want
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