Hris,
I fully agree with you. I don't say those religions are 'bad', except for some
advocating killing of innocent. But in regard to letting go of attachments, we
have to go somewhere else.
Anthony
--- On Fri, 9/1/09, cid830 wrote:
From: cid830
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Re
I'm sorry for your misunderstanding, I often have a hard time conveying
my point. What part of I have experienced this reality did you not
understand. Your "imaginary" is my reality. The dualism is a fact. And
many others will tell you the same thing. I have calmed my Ego in the
past with deep
"cid830" If you can break your attachment to this dualism and dissolve
your Ego, you can get in touch with your True Self.>
Imaginary battle is just a substitute for the battle between good and
evil. You are so totally twisted with your dualisms and cliche'
phrases that you have no clue what yo
nd fun.
...Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:54 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Are you advocating that we should all just sit on a pillow until it stinks
You are probably right. But you, sir, are no Dogen!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "fitness4u2163"
wrote:
>
> "cid830" Your annoyance is very telling! Someone so broad in his
> intelligence should have found a way to tame his temper by now. >
>
> You wouldn't talk like that to Dogen.
>
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What I believe is that we live in a dualistic world. Our minds attach
to forms in a dualistic way. If you can break your attachment to this
dualism and dissolve your Ego, you can get in touch with your True
Self. I believe you can do this through daily meditation accompanied
by a good belief sy
Are you advocating that we should all just sit on a pillow until it stinks, and
that is all? That is why I say no suffering, no fun.
Anthony
--- On Wed, 7/1/09, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
From: billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
You say part of the Bible is not subject to explanation, or something like
that. I interpret that as that you cannot question it, just have to follow it.
If I misinterpret you, please point out.
Anthony
--- On Wed, 7/1/09, fitness4u2163 wrote:
From: fitness4u2163
Subject: [Zen] Re: The
"cid830"I believe the answer is somewhere in the middle. In a non-
dualistic existence that can only be experienced through strict
adherence to a certain belief system along with deep meditation.
>
>
What you believe is duality and your solution is Christianity or
Judaism or some other strict b
"cid830" Your annoyance is very telling! Someone so broad in his
intelligence should have found a way to tame his temper by now. >
You wouldn't talk like that to Dogen.
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk
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On Behalf
> Of fitness4u2163
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:13 AM
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
>
> "cid830" I don't have to rely on my "faith" to carry me into the
> pro
Al,
When you mentioned that "it is all here, and that is it", I thought
you were on to something. But then the rest of the post proves
otherwise.
I have experienced "heaven" on earth often with living in the
moment, with breathing the air, with an awareness of all that's
around me. I have li
"fitness4u2163" wrote:
> "It is very seldom hard to probe the lack of depth of the folks on
this list..."
Starting with the list's creator! Your annoyance is very telling!
Someone so broad in his intelligence should have found a way to tame
his temper by now. Is it the E.D.?
Chris
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To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
"cid830" I don't have to rely on my "faith" to carry me into the
promised land, after I die! The Kingdom of Heaven is among us!
>
>
That is as much a fantasy as anything else. To some degree it is a l
"cid830" I don't have to rely on my "faith" to carry me into the
promised land, after I die! The Kingdom of Heaven is among us!
>
>
That is as much a fantasy as anything else. To some degree it is a lot
worse and more pathetic to walk this earth thinking it is heaven. I
certainly hope that th
Anthony Wu The book you mention seems to advocate blind following.
>
What part of my description mentioned blind following? I don't even go
to church. I found the discussion to be stimulating and thoughtful.
How did you interpret that to mean "blind following?"
It is very seldom hard to prob
Excellent point, indeed.
From: cid830
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:08:19 AM
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
I know you didn't ask me, but... I prefer Zen Buddhism because it is
a direct way of experie
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 12:04:11 AM
> Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
>
>
> Vince >
> >
> So instead you prefer zen buddhism, where every koan is open to
> interpretation and most of it is t
That is one way of looking at it, true. But, keep in mind, if I misinterpret a
koan, I'm not doomed to spend eternity burning in a pit of fire.
From: fitness4u2163
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 12:04:11 AM
Subject: [Zen] Re
So instead you prefer zen buddhism, where every koan is open to
interpretation and most of it is totally undefined and completely
subjective depending on who the teacher is.
That is basically the way the world is. Everything must be open to
interpretation. The book you mention seems to advoca
Vince
>
So instead you prefer zen buddhism, where every koan is open to
interpretation and most of it is totally undefined and completely
subjective depending on who the teacher is.
HO HO HO
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have re
I guess this is where I've run into problems with general Christianity. Some of
the bible is open to interpretation. Some of it is not. Some of it must be
strictly followed. Some of it you CAN'T follow. There is way to much ambiguity
for me.
I have found it
"cid830" it looks like it is written by a pastor trying to justify
Christianity to skeptics. I don't think I'd be too interested in that.
Is this the case, or what is it about? What have you gotten out of it
so far?
>
I have found it to be very spiritually uplifting. It connects the
Bible to
Al,
No, I have not read this book. But looking at some reviews, it looks
like it is written by a pastor trying to justify Christianity to
skeptics. I don't think I'd be too interested in that. Is this the
case, or what is it about? What have you gotten out of it so far?
Thanks,
Chris
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