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Subject: Re: [Zen] consciousness
Anthony,
Not quite. What I'm saying is that consciousness and the material
world are
identical. Consciousness is observer dependent perspectives on the
material
world from the POV
Hi Edgar,
This sounds very much like the stuff I read that I told you about.
The stuff based on quantum physics that said consciousness is
non-local. It said there are no such things as out-of-body experiences
because consciousness is not located in the body to begin with. It
said the fact that
, 2008 11:42:34
Subject: RE: [Zen] consciousness
Jim,
Descartes famous declaration means something a lot different to me now then
when I took Philosophy 101 in college. Now I understand it as:
I think,...
The arising and exercising of cognitive faculties...
...therefore I am.
...gives rise
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think,... The arising and exercising of
cognitive faculties..therefore I am. ...gives rise to dualist
thought and concepts, most specifically a concept of 'self' (I) as
something distinct and apart from everything else, and plunges me
headlong into the illusory world
it?
- When we die, do we just merge into the universe and lose our
individual entities?
Regards,
Anthony
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From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen] consciousness
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Date: Sunday, 12 October, 2008, 7:46
, October 12, 2008 8:53 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen] consciousness
Anthony,
Not quite. What I'm saying is that consciousness and the material world are
identical. Consciousness is observer dependent perspectives on the material
world from the POV
: RE: [Zen] consciousness
Cogito, ergo sum! Descartes theory of I think, therefore I am
http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/d/descarte.htm#SH4a is the Internet
Encyclopedia of Philosophy article on Descartes work.
Jim
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book
Hi Bill,
Good point. That's why understanding how the brain does this by
erecting many of the veils of illusion is so important to
understanding how to experience the reality beyond those veils.
Edgar
On Oct 10, 2008, at 8:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Edgar
Hi Edgar-
I am still reading HardProblem - I'm on page 10. So far it is
wonderful! :-)
Margie (roloro1557)
FROM: Over the hills and far away. . .
Don't be an observer of life. Be life. T'ao Shan
OldWomansZenChronicles.blogspot.com
I might add that when I woke up and I couldn't remember what happened, I
started to laugh. the nurse said that many people actually panic and freak
out when they realize that they couldn't remember being awake before. I
just thought it was funny because it instantly reminded me of the frail
So why do most people freak out when they don't remember being awake? Do
they have such strong connections that they are scared by a slight
disconnection?
JODY
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about
Thanks Margie,
Your comments or questions would be welcome.
Much appreciated,
Edgar
On Oct 11, 2008, at 9:55 AM, roloro1557 wrote:
Hi Edgar-
I am still reading HardProblem - I'm on page 10. So far it is
wonderful! :-)
Margie (roloro1557)
]
Subject: Re: [Zen] consciousness
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 12 October, 2008, 3:23 AM
Thanks Margie,
Your comments or questions would be welcome.
Much appreciated,
Edgar
On Oct 11, 2008, at 9:55 AM, roloro1557 wrote:
Hi Edgar-
I am still reading HardProblem
just
disappear, when we die?
You seemed to say you had an OBE in Japan. How do you explain that
based on science.
Regards,
Anthony
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Date
Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Zen] consciousness
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 12 October, 2008, 7:46 AM
Anthony,
Well not quite. Personal consciousness is associated with material beings and
disappears with the dissolution
Hi Edgar,
My former husband had a similar experience when he was in a car accident.
But. . . On a related note, what do you think of the stuff that is
supposedly based on quantum physics that says consciousness is
non-local in the first place?
I'm asking because it seems like an interesting
Jody,
Good point. And we actually are conscious of only the minutest
fraction of the reality around us at any time.
Edgar
On Oct 10, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Jody W. Ianuzzi wrote:
I learned a lot about my own mind about two years ago when I had minor
surgery. I was told before the surgery
Edgar wrote:
Good point. And we actually are conscious of only the minutest fraction of
the reality around us at any time.
In the DOORS TO PERCEPTION published in 1954 the author Aldous Huxley
proposed that the brain, rather than emanating knowledge, actually acts as a
FILTER of knowledge. He
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