Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
a dog. She is not alone. I am a dog too. Remember the advantage of the Internet is that nobody knows I am a dog.   Anthony --- On Thu, 28/10/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II To: Zen_Forum@

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-27 Thread Anthony Wu
-- On Wed, 27/10/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 2:08 PM   Hi Anthony, The paragraph below states, "In other words

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-26 Thread Anthony Wu
;   If words are unimportant, why do you keep posting here?   Anthony --- On Tue, 26/10/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 26 October, 2010, 9:49 PM

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-26 Thread Anthony Wu
JMJM<   If words are unimportant, why do you keep posting here?   Anthony --- On Tue, 26/10/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 26 October,

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-26 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 26 October, 2010, 7:30 AM Hi Anthony, One of our practitioner just informed me that Michael Newton's book "Journey

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-26 Thread Anthony Wu
JM,   I am not going to pick up any other books. My question is about the words by your Chan Master.   Anthony --- On Tue, 26/10/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroup

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Hi Anthony, One of our practitioner just informed me that Michael Newton's book "Journey of Souls" says the same thing. Perhaps you can pick up that book that tell me about. :-) Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 10/25/2010 2:1

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread Maria Lopez
Hehehe.!!! you are so funny!. --- On Mon, 25/10/10, Anthony Wu wrote: From: Anthony Wu Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 23:37   JM,   Was ist 'ferrying'? Do you mean &#

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread Anthony Wu
So Mike, you should join me in an orgyhouse to grow your wisdom there.   Anthony --- On Tue, 26/10/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 26 October

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread Anthony Wu
the advertising I don't get. I guess I'm just like the man who writes to Tampax saying that he's been smoking their product for years but still can't play tennis or ride a bike.   Mike From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 25 October,

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread Anthony Wu
  To me that kinda begs the question: will I be able to walk thru walls like a ninja if I really apply myself? : ) Mike Yes, you can. But first you have to eliminate your consciousness.   Anthony

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread Anthony Wu
JMJM<   The Chan Master does not make it clear. Does consciousness exist?   Moreover, when you have no hindrances before death and you skip reincarnation, then what do you do? Where are you?   Anthony --- On Mon, 25/10/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subje

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread ED
Mike, Their desire to save you because they think you are wrong (and me too) is part of their good-heartedness. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown wrote: > ED,If it's driven by their good-heartedness then I'm ok with that. It's when it's driven by their desire to save m

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread ED
Mike, That's one response to the koan being thrust on you. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown wrote: > ED,If it's driven by their good-heartedness then I'm ok with that. It's when it's driven by their desire to save me because I'm wrong that I object. Mike [correct

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
aying that he's been smoking their product for years but still can't play tennis or ride a bike. Mike *From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 *To:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Mon, 25 October, 2010 12:55

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
duct for years but still can't play tennis or ride a bike. Mike *From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 *To:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Mon, 25 October, 2010 12:55:56 *Subject:* Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread mike brown
2010 0:44:58 Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II   [corrected] Mike, That's very funny!   However, persons who have found a belief or practice which makes them feel good are usually driven by their good-heartedness to share it with their friends - and so th

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread mike brown
m Sent: Tue, 26 October, 2010 0:32:29 Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II   Mike, That's very funny!   However, the underlying motivation in humans who have found a belief or practice which makes them feel good, is to want to share it with their friends - a

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread ED
[corrected] Mike, That's very funny! However, persons who have found a belief or practice which makes them feel good are usually driven by their good-heartedness to share it with their friends - and so their being alogical or illogical in their presentations may not really matter. --ED ---

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread ED
Mike, That's very funny! However, the underlying motivation in humans who have found a belief or practice which makes them feel good, is to want to share it with their friends - and so their being alogical or illogical is a non-issue. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown wrote

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread mike brown
Bill!, Or just use the door... Mike From: "billsm...@hhs1963.org" To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 25 October, 2010 13:02:19 Subject: RE: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II   Mike,   You can also move through a wall if

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-25 Thread mike brown
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 25 October, 2010 12:55:56 Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II   No problem, Mike.  When one day you experience light, then you can talk about it anyway you prefer. Until then  :-)

RE: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-24 Thread BillSmart
t;The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II No problem, Mike. When one day you experience light, then you can talk about it anyway you prefer. Until then :-) Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 10/24/2010 7:58 PM, mike b

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-24 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
No problem, Mike. When one day you experience light, then you can talk about it anyway you prefer. Until then :-) Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 10/24/2010 7:58 PM, mike brown wrote: Sorry to pick on you JMJM, but this

Re: [Zen] Fwd: "The Gateway to Chan Wisdom" - II

2010-10-24 Thread mike brown
Sorry to pick on you JMJM, but this one paragraph below illustrates the point I'm making about the efficacy of applying the scientific method to zen over the metaphysical:   >Pure consciousness is the soul after death. Originally, human bodies were >luminous. However, they are covered by our con