Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-18 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Jim, We will be restaging the ZFS community info, most likely on OTN. The zfs discussion list archive cannot be migrated to the new list on java.net, but you can pick it up here: http://www.mail-archive.com/zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org/ We are looking at other ways to make the zfs discuss li

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Volker A. Brandt
Ian Collins writes: > Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: > >> From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] > >> > >> We can agree to disagree. > >> > >> I think you're still operating under the auspices of Oracle > >> wanting to have an open discussion. This is patently false.

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Ian Collins
Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] We can agree to disagree. I think you're still operating under the auspices of Oracle wanting to have an open discussion. This is patently false. I'm just going to respond to this by saying th

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] > > We can agree to disagree. > > I think you're still operating under the auspices of Oracle wanting to have an > open discussion.  This is patently false.   I'm just going to respond to this by saying thank you, Cindy, Casper, Neil, and others, for all t

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Tim Cook
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) < opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com> wrote: > > From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] > > > > Why would I spend all that time and > > energy participating in ANOTHER list controlled by Oracle,

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] > > Why would I spend all that time and > energy participating in ANOTHER list controlled by Oracle, when they have > shown they have no qualms about eliminating it with basically 0 warning, at > their whim? >From an open source, community perspective, I und

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: cindy swearingen [mailto:cindy.swearin...@gmail.com] > > This was new news to use too and we're just talking over some options > yesterday > afternoon so please give us a chance to regroup and provide some > alternatives. > > This list will be shutdown but we can start a new one on java.n

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 02/17/2013 06:40 AM, Ian Collins wrote: > Toby Thain wrote: >> Signed up, thanks. >> >> The ZFS list has been very high value and I thank everyone whose wisdom >> I have enjoyed, especially people like you Sašo, Mr Elling, Mr >> Friesenhahn, Mr Harvey, the distinguished Sun and Oracle engineers

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Bryan Horstmann-Allen
+-- | On 2013-02-17 01:17:58, Tim Cook wrote: | | While I'm sure many appreciate the offer as I do, I can tell you for me | personally: never going to happen. Why would I spend all that time and | energy participating in

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM, cindy swearingen < cindy.swearin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Ned and Everyone, > > This was new news to use too and we're just talking over some options > yesterday > afternoon so please give us a chance to regroup and provide some > alternatives. > > This list will

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Ian Collins
Richard Elling wrote: On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Bryan Horstmann-Allen wrote: +-- | On 2013-02-17 18:40:47, Ian Collins wrote: | One of its main advantages is it has been platform agnostic. We see Solaris, Illumo

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Richard Elling
On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Bryan Horstmann-Allen wrote: > +-- > | On 2013-02-17 18:40:47, Ian Collins wrote: > | >> One of its main advantages is it has been platform agnostic. We see >> Solaris, Illumos, BSD and m

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Bryan Horstmann-Allen
+-- | On 2013-02-17 18:40:47, Ian Collins wrote: | > One of its main advantages is it has been platform agnostic. We see > Solaris, Illumos, BSD and more recently ZFS on Linux questions all give the > same respect. > >

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Ian Collins
Toby Thain wrote: Signed up, thanks. The ZFS list has been very high value and I thank everyone whose wisdom I have enjoyed, especially people like you Sašo, Mr Elling, Mr Friesenhahn, Mr Harvey, the distinguished Sun and Oracle engineers who post here, and many others. Let the Illumos list thr

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Toby Thain
On 16/02/13 3:51 PM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 02/16/2013 06:44 PM, Tim Cook wrote: We've got Oracle employees on the mailing list, that while helpful, in no way have the authority to speak for company policy. They've made that clear on numerous occasions And that doesn't change the fact that w

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Fred Liu
February 17, 2013 7:42 AM >To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org >Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL > >Hello Cindy, > >Are there any plans to preserve the official mailing lists' archives, or will >they >go the way of Jive forums and the

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Jim Klimov
Hello Cindy, Are there any plans to preserve the official mailing lists' archives, or will they go the way of Jive forums and the future digs for bits of knowledge would rely on alternate mirrors and caches? I understand that Oracle has some business priorities, but retiring hardware causes site

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread cindy swearingen
Hey Ned and Everyone, This was new news to use too and we're just talking over some options yesterday afternoon so please give us a chance to regroup and provide some alternatives. This list will be shutdown but we can start a new one on java.net. There is a huge ecosystem around Solaris and ZFS,

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 02/16/2013 06:44 PM, Tim Cook wrote: > We've got Oracle employees on the mailing list, that while helpful, in no > way have the authority to speak for company policy. They've made that > clear on numerous occasions And that doesn't change the fact that we > literally have heard NOTHING from O

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) < opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com> wrote: > > From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] > > > > That would be the logical decision, yes. Not to poke fun, but did you > really > > expect an off

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 16 Feb 2013, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] That would be the logical decision, yes.  Not to poke fun, but did you really expect an official response after YEARS of nothing from Oracle?  This is the same company that

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: Bob Friesenhahn [mailto:bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us] > > Good for you. I am sure that Larry will be contacting you soon. hehehehehe... he knows better. ;-) > Previously Oracle announced and invited people to join their > discussion forums, which are web-based and virtually dead.

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: sriram...@gmail.com [mailto:sriram...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of > Sriram Narayanan > > Or, given that this is a weekend, we assume that someone within Oracle > would see this mail only on Monday morning Pacific Time, then send out > some mails within, and be able to respond in public only by

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] > > That would be the logical decision, yes.  Not to poke fun, but did you really > expect an official response after YEARS of nothing from Oracle?  This is the > same company that refused to release any Java patches until the DHS issued > a national warning

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down.  What does that mean for this mailing list?  Should we all be moving over to something at illumos or something? There is a 'illumos-zfs

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Sriram Narayanan
; > > > From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org > [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey > (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:00 AM > To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > Subject: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Tim Cook
iveopensolaris) > *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2013 11:00 AM > *To:* zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > *Subject:* [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL > > ** ** > > So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down. > What d

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:00 AM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down. What does that mean

[zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list & opensolaris EOL

2013-02-15 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down. What does that mean for this mailing list? Should we all be moving over to something at illumos or something? I'm going to encourage somebody in an official capacity at opensolaris to respond... I'm going to discourage uno