Re: Get rid of configure/make? (was Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:)

2005-11-06 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 5. November 2005 21:41:54 -0500 Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The makefile is a wrapper around setup.py as well as mkzopeinstance. It is also capable of creating release tarballs. -1 on removing configure / make / make install dance unless there is some reason to do so

Re: Get rid of configure/make? (was Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:)

2005-11-06 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 6 Nov 2005, at 03:41, Chris McDonough wrote: configure also allows you to install multiple times from a pristine source directory without changing the source directory, which I (and others, because they've told me they do) make use of. I use that a lot myself. -1 for removing it from me

Re: Get rid of configure/make? (was Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:)

2005-11-05 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 11/4/05, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having said that, I don't really like the configure/make farce myself. Farce? I'd be happy to get rid of it. I'm also happy to defer to the vocal majority. Maybe it's worth revisiting this, which is why the provocative subject. :) I read

Re: Get rid of configure/make? (was Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:)

2005-11-05 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 4. November 2005 11:27:10 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people who download Zope 2 are not Python programmers. Many of them become Python programmers later. I think this is a big part of Zope 2's value proposition that we haven't matched in Zope 3 yet. Having said that,

Re: Get rid of configure/make? (was Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:)

2005-11-05 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Am Samstag, den 05.11.2005, 13:23 +0100 schrieb Lennart Regebro: On 11/4/05, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having said that, I don't really like the configure/make farce myself. Farce? I'd be happy to get rid of it. I'm also happy to defer to the vocal majority. Maybe it's

Re: Get rid of configure/make? (was Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:)

2005-11-05 Thread Fred Drake
On 11/5/05, Tino Wildenhain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The usual setup.py from distutils to make it more pythonic. The install.py in the root of the distribution is actually a conventional setup.py. Would it be helpful to keep the setup.py name? We renamed it to encourage the configure/make

Re: Get rid of configure/make? (was Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:)

2005-11-05 Thread Jim Fulton
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 11/4/05, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having said that, I don't really like the configure/make farce myself. Farce? We aren't running the real configure. We aren't really using make. We're just using make as a wrapper around setup.py. I'd be happy to

Re: Get rid of configure/make? (was Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:)

2005-11-05 Thread Jim Fulton
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 4. November 2005 11:27:10 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people who download Zope 2 are not Python programmers. Many of them become Python programmers later. I think this is a big part of Zope 2's value proposition that we haven't matched in Zope 3

Re: Get rid of configure/make? (was Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:)

2005-11-05 Thread Fred Drake
On 11/5/05, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's main benefit is that it leverages a familiar pattern, but I'm not convinced that it's worth it. Also, as tools like rpm and deb become more widely used, I'm not sure how familar the configure/make dance is. Other than Python and Zope, I

Re: Get rid of configure/make? (was Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:)

2005-11-05 Thread Morten W. Petersen
I wasn't arguing that configure/make was hard to use. I'm arguing that it's something extra to maintain and is just silly. It's main benefit is that it leverages a familiar pattern, but I'm not convinced that it's worth it. Also, as tools like rpm and deb become more widely used, I'm not

Re: Get rid of configure/make? (was Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:)

2005-11-05 Thread Chris McDonough
On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 12:14 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote: On 11/4/05, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having said that, I don't really like the configure/make farce myself. Farce? We aren't running the real configure. If you mean autotools, that's right,

Get rid of configure/make? (was Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:)

2005-11-04 Thread Jim Fulton
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: What changes are those? A fresh Zope trunk checkout works for me. Here's what I did: $ svn co svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/repos/main/Zope/trunk Zope-trunk $ cd Zope-trunk $ ./configure $ make That worked for me (though I usually don't do

[Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:

2005-11-03 Thread yuppie
Hi Philipp! Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Log message for revision 39848: Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Great! This is a big step forward. * Moved to a zpkgutils-based build system, as the Zope 3.2 extension modules require to be built with it. If everything goes

[Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:

2005-11-03 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
yuppie wrote: * Moved to a zpkgutils-based build system, as the Zope 3.2 extension modules require to be built with it. If everything goes ahead as planned, the release tarball will also be built with zpkgutils (some work has also been done in that direction). That part

[Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:

2005-11-03 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: That worked for me (though I usually don't do the configure; make dance, but just do an in-place build with python setup.py build -i; see also below). Sorry, I meant $ python setup.py build_ext -i That's what make all does on Zope 3 and now on Zope 2 as

[Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:

2005-11-03 Thread yuppie
Hi Philipp! Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: That part seems to be work in progress. I needed some time and manual changes to set up an in-place instance for a fresh sandbox. What changes are those? A fresh Zope trunk checkout works for me. Here's what I did: $ svn co svn+ssh://[EMAIL

[Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:

2005-11-03 Thread Florent Guillaume
yuppie wrote: Hi Philipp! Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: That part seems to be work in progress. I needed some time and manual changes to set up an in-place instance for a fresh sandbox. What changes are those? A fresh Zope trunk checkout works for me. Here's what I did: $ svn co

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:

2005-11-03 Thread Jim Fulton
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: yuppie wrote: * Moved to a zpkgutils-based build system, as the Zope 3.2 extension modules require to be built with it. If everything goes ahead as planned, the release tarball will also be built with zpkgutils (some work has also been done in that

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:

2005-11-03 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Jim Fulton wrote: What changes are those? A fresh Zope trunk checkout works for me. Here's what I did: $ svn co svn+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/repos/main/Zope/trunk Zope-trunk $ cd Zope-trunk $ ./configure $ make That worked for me (though I usually don't do the configure; make