[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] ZDESIGN IDEAS = How to improve 'manage' ?

2001-01-09 Thread Joachim Werner
> > - You can work with full SSL-encryption, maybe even client certificates. > >This is much more secure than TELNET or FTP. (Unfortunately, SSH/SCP, > >while being the "better TELNET/FTP" is not always an option, and it > >always opens up more than necessary) > > what exactly does S

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] ZDESIGN IDEAS = How to improve 'manage' ?

2001-01-09 Thread Joachim Werner
On Tuesday 09 January 2001 15:41, Martijn Pieters wrote: > On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 12:18:37PM -0500, Mohan Baro wrote: > > Are you planning a manage_install for products? > > The ability for superusers to install complelte products directly through > > the management interface, no need for ftp. >

[Zope-dev] Little Bug in 2.3 "new look"

2001-01-19 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! There is a little Bug in the new GUI: If you creat a new Folder that is empty, only "There are currently no items in foo" is displayed. So you can't import stuff before you have created an object in the folder. The import/export tab has also gone. Cheers Joachim. _

Re: [Zope-dev] Added rename to ZOPE FTP server

2001-01-20 Thread Joachim Werner
Tom Vijlbrief wrote: > Hi, > > I've added the rename capability to the Zope FTP-server, > so I could use the KDE FTP client (this is a known Zope bug). > > I attached the 3 modified files (from the 2.2.5 src distro). > Dear people at DC! Please get that into the CVS ASAP. This is a very big i

[Zope-dev] QNX and Zope

2001-01-27 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Is there anyone who has tried using Zope on QNX? I have a request for using Zope in an embedded environment. Thanks! Joachim ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: FTP PUT'ing images doesn't create Image objects? (it does)

2001-02-06 Thread Joachim Werner
Zope 2.3 and creating the correct object types (has been discussed earlier, I think): There is a bug with this that only becomes visible with some FTP clients like the KDE2 Konqueror: If the clients do partial uploads and renaming (which finally works), the type is not recognized correctly. Th

[Zope-dev] Using Zope for Groupware/Messaging applications

2001-02-16 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! We are currently developing a groupware system with Zope. As usual, the options for the storage back-end are using a SQL DB (postgres, ...) or ZODB. I know that this question has been asked a thousand times. But I'll repeat it for our specific situation: SQL or ZODB+ZCatalog, which one is

Re: [Zope-dev] Using Zope for Groupware/Messaging applications

2001-02-18 Thread Joachim Werner
R. David Murray wrote: > On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Joachim Werner wrote: > >> SQL or ZODB+ZCatalog, which one is better? > > > >> Any comments? > > > Just the obvious one: ZPatterns. . OK, this was the standard answer, right. But what I don't really g

Re: [Zope-dev] dtml-in performance

2001-04-05 Thread Joachim Werner
> > What can I do to maximize the peformance of a dtml-in statement? > > When iterating over a 2000 row database query, it takes about 20 > > seconds - time mostly spent doing security checks, and calling > > __getitem__ in DT_InSV.py. Is the performance of dtml-in just slow? > > -Brett > > > > A

Re: [Zope-dev] DBObjects 1.0 and Demos for Proiektor & ZQuest released

2001-04-05 Thread Joachim Werner
e" developers who can live with "half-baked" stuff as you put it: Stephan can give you the code. We will also set up a CVS, but this will not be done in the next couple of days ... Cheers, Joachim Werner CEO iuveno AG ___ Zope-Dev mail

Re: [Zope-dev] dtml-in performance

2001-04-05 Thread Joachim Werner
> > What can I do to maximize the peformance of a dtml-in statement? > > When iterating over a 2000 row database query, it takes about 20 > > seconds - time mostly spent doing security checks, and calling > > __getitem__ in DT_InSV.py. Is the performance of dtml-in just slow? > > -Brett > > > > A

[Zope-dev] Strange errors in the log

2001-04-05 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! We have this in the logs of a brand new 2.3.1: -- 2001-04-06T03:16:10 ERROR(200) ZODB Couldn't load state for '\000\000\000\000\000\000\354\222' Traceback (innermost last): File /var/lib/zope/iuvenoProducts/lib/python/ZODB/Connection.py, line 508, in setstate AttributeError: 'None' obj

Re: [Zope-dev] Strange errors in the log

2001-04-05 Thread Joachim Werner
> My hunch is on CST but maybe it's catalog or (less likely) something else. > I'd agree with the conflicts thing, it certainly seems to make them happen > more often. I see a lot of them when packing zodb's too. For us, it definitely is not the Catalog. The site I saw the error first uses just Z

Re: [Zope-dev] DBObjects 1.0 and Demos for Proiektor & ZQuest released (site back online!)

2001-04-07 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Sorry for the site going up and down all the time. We experienced very strange Zope stability problems. But it seems to have been up for the last couple of hours now ;-) Joachim Werner ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Server hanging :-(

2001-04-28 Thread Joachim Werner
> The symptoms are as follows: > 1. Go to a given URL, which doesn't respond (browser sits and spins) > 2. Doing a 'top' on the server shows python nowhere to be seen (so it's not > infinite-loop-processor-hogging) > 3. ps shows the python threads are all still there, but none of them will > respo

[Zope-dev] Can't access manage_access ...

2001-05-06 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Anyone seen this before? It happens when I want to access a folder's "manage_access" page. The thing worked all the time, and I don't know what could have changed that. The Zope version is 2.3.1. source version with Python 1.5.2. There also seem to be problems with some of the permissions se

Re: [Zope-dev] Can't access manage_access ...

2001-05-06 Thread Joachim Werner
Additional remark: It goes away if I remove all ZClasses from the folder. Strange ... ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.z

Re: [Zope-dev] Experiments with ORMapping

2001-05-10 Thread Joachim Werner
> You know, it might be possible to get a team together to implement > this. How many out there would be interested in pursuing it further? > IMHO it's not as much work as it sounds at first. Zope being so > object-oriented, you really can replace one of its most fundamental > assumptions (an OO

Re: [Zope-dev] Experiments with ORMapping

2001-05-11 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! > > Do you know that there already is a project for OR-Mapping in Zope (actually > > there are two ...)? > > Yes, and I think the projects need to look into replacing parts of ZODB > rather than adding complexity. ZODB has pieces that can be split apart > and replaced as needed, such as cach

Re: [Zope-dev] Experiments with ORMapping

2001-05-11 Thread Joachim Werner
> So, if I had a.n.other SQL table containing some attributes, how would you see > that mappign to Zope objects? > > What meta_type would they be? > > Where would they show up? That's why we need an API and can't just do everything transparently ;-) We have the conept of "SmartAttributeSheets" (

Re: [Zope-dev] Experiments with ORMapping

2001-05-11 Thread Joachim Werner
> > > But storage of binary pickles was never the intention anyway. I created > > > a little interface that would allow you to store different classes in > > > different PostgreSQL tables. Before I got to implementing anything, > > > > Is this much like the ZPatterns approach? > > Which part of

Re: oodb philosophics ;) was: Re: [Zope-dev] Experiments with ORMapping

2001-05-11 Thread Joachim Werner
> The other motivations for an RDBMS are (1) people have existing schemas > and want Zope to access the same data as their existing apps, and they > want it to be transparent, and (2) tables with millions of entries are > easily stored in Zope but the perception is that the catalog isn't as > fast

Re: oodb philosophics ;) was: Re: [Zope-dev] Experiments withORMapping

2001-05-11 Thread Joachim Werner
> As a matter of fact, we did a quick CMF demo that has the content of the > zope list, zope-dev, and many of the other zope.org lists, and the > comp.lang.python list for the past few years. The catalog searches are > very very fast, i can't recall if the demo was set up with some > interesting

Re: oodb philosophics ;) was: Re: [Zope-dev] Experiments with ORMapping

2001-05-11 Thread Joachim Werner
> But isn't Python a decent query language? Isn't it nice to be able to have > all of the facilities of Python at your disposal when manipulating data, > rather than hoping that whatever database you are using doesn't have a > brain-damaged implementation of SQL? Most of the time nobody will nee

Re: [Zope-dev] Experiments with ORMapping

2001-05-11 Thread Joachim Werner
> It sounds like you are tackling a lot of things at once. You might > consider dividing into separate projects. Yep, that's what is happening right now. We are still collecting "feature requests". Then we will sort them out. A lot of the stuff will also be useful in different contexts than we h

Re: oodb philosophics ;) was: Re: [Zope-dev] Experiments with ORMapping

2001-05-13 Thread Joachim Werner
> This is true in the ZODB, but can be complicated by acquisition. If an > object can acquire itself, it can cause issues. Plus it becomes > difficult to know whether objects are clones or just identical > instances, although this can be mitigated by exposing their Python > instance id. Acquisiti

Re: oodb philosophics ;) was: Re: [Zope-dev] Experiments with ORMapping

2001-05-13 Thread Joachim Werner
> Probably I'm daft because it is Friday night, but AFAIK ZODB and most OODB's > store an object only once, keyed by its object id. The rest is just references > through that oid, so objects that belong to more than one container can be > added to all these containers and n:m relations are impleme

Re: [Zope-dev] Experiments with ORMapping

2001-05-14 Thread Joachim Werner
> Now, it may be useful to provide a management interface for defining the > schema mapping. I haven't approached that yet; AFAICT this is where the > work done on SmartObjects and DBObjects would be very useful. Initially > I was planning for people to code the mapping purely in Python so we >

Re: [Zope-dev] Experiments with ORMapping

2001-05-14 Thread Joachim Werner
> My thought on this, is that you will be forced to explicitly consider the > nature of this relationship and its storage at the application level. If > you write explicitly for ZODB, you might use a BTree, for example. Or > perhaps you'd have some kind of global container for the Tasks, with a

Re: [Zope-dev] Experiments with ORMapping

2001-05-14 Thread Joachim Werner
> My thought on this, is that you will be forced to explicitly consider the > nature of this relationship and its storage at the application level. If > you write explicitly for ZODB, you might use a BTree, for example. Or > perhaps you'd have some kind of global container for the Tasks, with a

Re: Randomness (RE: [Zope-dev] CoreSessionTracking 0.8)

2001-05-24 Thread Joachim Werner
What we experience with CoreSessionTracking: We have a manage mode in the Kontentor CMS hacky thing (no, it is NOT a product yet ;-)). It works well for some time (i.e. if I click on it, the system switches to manage mode and stays in manage mode until I click again), but from time to time it is

Re: Randomness (RE: [Zope-dev] CoreSessionTracking 0.8)

2001-05-24 Thread Joachim Werner
> However, a much more helpful report would be > one which provides a repeatable test case which invariably reproduces > the problem instead of one which states the symptoms and effects of the > problem. I know, but that's why the errors are called "random": They are not easy to replicate ... _

Re: Randomness (RE: [Zope-dev] CoreSessionTracking 0.8)

2001-05-25 Thread Joachim Werner
> > I know, but that's why the errors are called "random": They are not easy to > > replicate ... > > I understand. I don't know if this helps a bit: It's the code used in KONTENTOR for putting the session into the REQUEST namespace. I think it is not the most elegant way of doing this, but it se

Re: Randomness (RE: [Zope-dev] CoreSessionTracking 0.8)

2001-05-26 Thread Joachim Werner
> > manage="REQUEST.get('manage_content') or > data.get('manage_content')"> > > > > > > > > > This will work for the "manage_content", but I want to make the whole request persistent. E.g., box states, search filters, and sequence-start variables for batc

Re: [Zope-dev] Simple ZClass Stuff

2001-05-27 Thread Joachim Werner
> Error Type: TypeError > Error Value: unsliceable object Have you tried to use the newest Zope version? In 2.3.0 or so there was a bug that gave us the "unsliceable object" error for ZClasses that are based on "Image" or "File" (which should be similar to the DTMLDocument case). Newer versions w

[Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code become realistic with Zope 2.4?

2001-05-31 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! When I read about the reload functionality of Zope 2.4, an old vision came back to my mind: If we can reload Python code at runtime, and we can also edit, generate and store files (containing code) via the web (as LocalFS or extFile prove), then it should be perfectly possible to have somet

Re: [Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code become realistic with Zope 2.4?

2001-05-31 Thread Joachim Werner
> Coincidently, I was just trying to edit a file on the filesystem with an FTP > client going thru Zope/FTP and a LocalFS. It didn't work. The LocalFS > instance didn't look like a directory to FTP so FTP could neither read nor > write to the directory. > > Does that throw a monkey wrench into you

Re: [Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code become realistic with Zope 2.4?

2001-05-31 Thread Joachim Werner
> Do you mean generating Python code from ZClasses? For example making and > editing a Product over the web? Kind of. Probably not full-fledged Products, but ZClass-like Classes that define values for property sheets, include Methods, inherit from certain base classes etc. ... well, maybe I'll en

Re: [Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code becomerealistic with Zope 2.4?

2001-06-02 Thread Joachim Werner
> > >this distinction so that all components can be edited via the filesystem > > and > > >live in the object database. > > This does worry me. I think I understand at least one motivation (ZEO), > but... > > Well, as long as it doesn't compromise my ability to write Zope python code > using file

Re: [Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code becomerealistic with Zope 2.4?

2001-06-02 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! > We see FTP and especially WebDAV as the "best fit" technoligies for the > "content owners"; we spent a good deal of effoert on cleaning up FTP/WebDAV > for yesterday's CMF release, for instance. I think you are misunderstanding what I mean with enabling "power users": With WebDAV and FTP

Re: [Zope-dev] symbolic link to another object in the Zope DB

2001-06-14 Thread Joachim Werner
> Has anybody seen a product that lets you make the equivalent of a symbolic > link in unix in the Zope DB? http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/Symlink (VERY experimental ...) Joachim ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.o

Re: [Zope-dev] batching badly

2001-06-18 Thread Joachim Werner
> That's not the behaviour I'd expect. Can anyone confirm this is a > bug? As LEE Kwan Soo has already said, it is not a bug, but a clever (too clever?) feature that should maybe not be enabled by default. Every second week or so somebody runs into this and thinks it is a bug. To the DC people:

[Zope-dev] Problems with Transparent Folder and Zope 2.3.3

2001-06-21 Thread Joachim Werner
Transparent Folders are used very often at iuveno. And we would like to do so in the future because they really provide an easy way to structure objects in folders. But with Zope 2.3.3 we get errors like that when we start an instance that uses Transparent Folders: Traceback (innermost last): F

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Problems with Transparent Folder and Zope 2.3.3

2001-06-21 Thread Joachim Werner
> Tomorrow I hope to release a version of TransparentFolders that works > around the problem, so you can wait for that instead if you like. Cool! Could you maybe put the patch that currently is applied in OFS/__init.py__ into a Hotfix? This would make it easier to use Transparent Folders together

Re: [Zope-dev] ZClass not in a Product

2001-06-21 Thread Joachim Werner
> Is there any good reason why a Product inside the ControlPanel is the only > place a ZClass can exist? Why can't I have one in any folder? I think it is perfectly logical that ZClasses are located in the Products area. A folder is for instances of classes, and a ZClass is a class, not an instan

Re: [Zope-dev] and thanks

2001-06-21 Thread Joachim Werner
> dtml-tree made me look good today :). Thanks DC! But still it urgently needs a rewrite ;-) Some issues: - Only one tree per page (it should be an option to use core session or unique cookies to enable more than one tree per page) - The open/close icons are hard-coded - A general one that appl

Re: [Zope-dev] ZClass not in a Product

2001-06-22 Thread Joachim Werner
> I do not agree with you: > > a ZClass is both an instance (you can manage, modify, delete) > and a class (you can use as blueprint for object creation). O.k., I CAN manage/modify/delete a ZClass, but it still is (conceptually) a class, and only a class. You can manage/modify/delete Zope P

Re: [Zope-dev] ZClass not in a Product

2001-06-25 Thread Joachim Werner
> Maybe you search "python.org" for Guido's metaclasses article. > It tells that a Python class can be both a class and an instance > and that this view has interesting applications. > > You focus on the class aspects of a ZClass (a pattern for creating > instances providing them with basic common

Re: Something better than ZClasses (was: Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zcatalog bloat problem (berkeleydb is a solution?))

2001-06-26 Thread Joachim Werner
> If DTML programming / interface design is so simple, and cheap, why not > automate it? (Strike two for low cost development). > > I've been trying to save some time (and my fingers!) by building a RAD > framework, named the WarpFramework [1], which deals with the low level > complexity of prope

Re: [Zope-dev] TransparentFolder Problem

2001-06-28 Thread Joachim Werner
> / > Transparent_A > Method_A > Folder_B > Transparent_B > Method_A > Folder_C > > Folder_B and Folder_C are non-transparent, Transparent_A and > Transparent_B are transparent. > > The problem is when i say in a Document which is in > Folder_C i got the M

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.7 Timeline

2003-08-27 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! WRT the Zope 2.7 timeline: Couldn't we just get a new beta that includes the most critical bug fixes very soon? If 2.7 doesn't get deployed on "almost production" systems there will not be too much further testing I guess. And currently most non-experts will not even be able to get a Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.7 Timeline

2003-08-27 Thread Joachim Werner
Chris McDonough wrote: 2.7.0b2 was released yesterday with both of these bugs fixed. Is that soon enough? ;-) Yes it is ;-) Sorry, I didn't check before ... ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev **

[Zope-dev] Using the error log

2003-12-13 Thread Joachim Werner
e it in my application? Is there any written documentation on how to hook up the error log? Cheers Joachim -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg Tel.: +49 (0) 911 9883 984 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.iuveno.de __

Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?

2004-04-21 Thread Joachim Werner
m ** A final question that is mainly aimed at the ZC people: What is the competition you are positioning Zope 3 against? I've never seen an answer to that quite important question ... -- iuveno AG Joachim Werner Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg Tel.: +49 (0) 911 9883 984 E-Mail: [EMAI

Re: Zope3, CMS, IDEs (was: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?)

2004-04-22 Thread Joachim Werner
nobody will ever convince me that the CMF => Plone way was the right way to go ... Well, different people, different tastes ;-) Cheers Joachim iuveno AG Joachim Werner _ Wittelsbacherstr. 23b 90475 Nürnberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.iuveno-net.de Tel.: +

RE: [Zope-dev] How should an ideal Zope IDE look like?

2004-04-24 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I am aware that I am adding another 2-3 man years to the wishlist, but here are some ideas I had lately: A Zope IDE should be much more than just a programming IDE adapted offer highlighting etc. for Zope's languages. It should be an RAD tool similar to what MS Access does for database

Re: [Zope-dev] DISCUSS: Community checkins for CVS

2001-09-23 Thread Joachim Werner
> I imagine that the group will decide rules on peer reviewing. For > comparison, the Mozilla group has very elaborate rules for checkins, > while Python has pretty much an innocent until proven guilty culture. > (That is, you check something in, and if somebody complains, it gets > removed.) >

Re: [Zope-dev] Vulnerability: attacking can get file list and directory

2001-09-23 Thread Joachim Werner
> Vulnerability: attacking can get file list and directory > Tested on Win32 platform > > Example: > telnet zopeserver 8080 > PROPFIND / HTTP/1.0 > > > > > < list files and directory > > > This tested on my site: > security.instock.ru 8080 This one really seems to be the old "WebDAV is not sa

Re: Re: [Zope-dev] WebDav Bug? -- And some comments on how great WebDAV is ;-)

2001-09-19 Thread Joachim Werner
> Question : > When I access to my folder by webdav protocol (win98 webfolder), I can list > the folder content, but when I want to access to a file inside, Zope asked to > me another authentification, then I can access to my file (wordd file (.doc)) > but only in read only mode. This seems to be

Re: [Zope-dev] DISCUSS: Community checkins for CVS

2001-09-21 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi Paul! Hi list! In the last couple of weeks I have really looked forward for the CVS to be finally opened. Not that I would be the first to be accepted as a contributor (my Python is still lousy, as Stephan Richter could tell you ...), but I read things from ZC like "We are too busy to get cont

Re: [Zope-dev] [Bug] DateTime(string) uses GMT as timezone

2001-10-01 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Stephan Richter has started to re-implement DateTime using mxDateTime a couple of weeks ago. That should fix all the various problems with DateTime. At Zope Corporation, Andreas Jung took care of that. So if you complain loud enough, I guess the fix could go into the 2.5 release. It just migh

[Zope-dev] somehow OT: How do I get a tar file containing the ".dtml" files only?

2001-10-01 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I am working on internationalizing a Zope 2.4.1 instance with ZBabel and providing a set of patches for Zope 2.4.1. My idea was that things would become much easier if I had a tarball that just contains all *.dtml files and the folder structure for them, so I can distribute the tarball as a p

[Zope-dev] Attribute error: extends ...

2001-10-01 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Has anybody also had that with a Zope 2.4.1 instance (Linux)? It happens not only with Metapublisher (as in the example), but seems to occur quite randomly. It might be a problem with my local install, but even if it is, it should not happen (as I just have some custom Products installed) ...

Re: [Zope-dev] ZTables and/or Catalog plugable brains?

2001-10-05 Thread Joachim Werner
> I'm not entirely sure why the idea of ZTables went away so completely. > Python tables in the ZODB combined with the catalog should make for an > interesting system to play with. Though perhaps there are products > out there that actually do this. Come to think of it, MetaPublisher > (not to be

Re: [Zope-dev] Anyone know how to add a property to a Zope Product (not its instances)?

2001-10-20 Thread Joachim Werner
> By default, Zope adds the title and version properties, for which it > gets the value from version.txt and meta_type, > but does anyone know a way to add more? This is only half an answer, but maybe it helps: I am not quite sure if you can do that the easy way from Python. (I.e. just define a

Re: [Zope-dev] Wild and crazzzzy idea: Hierarchial permissions

2001-11-23 Thread Joachim Werner
> What I'm missig more is flexibility for the "Add object" mechanism. > The possibility to install products not globally, but locally for a > folder and it's subfolders and some hierachical sorting of "add type" > selectbox. Hi! With OrderedFolder, you can at least clean up the Add menu locally.

Re: [Zope-dev] Integrating mailman with Zope?

2001-11-26 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! > Has anyone out there tried this already? Last we heard, Mailman was > a standalone CGI program, and in order to make it work with Zope you > had to run both Mailman and Zope behind another web server (such as > Apache). Yes, but if you control the Mailman from Zope, you will of course not

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! > To be honest i would be happy for Zope 3 not to be backwards > compatible. Tidy it up, delete the unless code, dare i say it - > refactor. Yes so my products will break, well half a days refactoring > myself and i have a tidier more understandable project anyway. YES, we need a new start

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
> > Noone from Zope Corp seems to monitor the list to help out. > That is not my experience at all. I have received answers from Zope corps > several times. But sure, most of the answers you get come from the community > members. Thats what a community is all about, and thats the hallmark of a >

Re: [Zope-dev] Dying in the Fishbowl.

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
> > Does the fishbowl process address this for you? > > > >http://dev.zope.org/Fishbowl/Introduction.html > > From me, that'll be a resounding no. > > Every single idea I've had for Zope has died somewhere in the fishbowl, and not because people have turned round and > gone "no, that's a crap

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
I seem to have to comment on most of the mails in this thread. Sorry for that ;-) > Personally, I think ZC are trying very hard, but are not getting it > right. I'm also very sure they are taking this conversation > seriously. Brian responded very quickly to the userfolder 'api' > issues. They

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi Paul! > I don't want to replace one group of people with a busy agenda with > another group of people with a busy agenda. We need a small group of > people that are willing to make a long-term commitment to > responsibility. These people can then tap into others that can commit > on an as-ne

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Fishbowl?

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
> IMO, Bugzilla won't fix these kinds of problems. I think the first step > is to refine what we have while finding better ways to work together. We definitely need a ZOPE-based approach. What I really don't get is this: We all seem to be building Zope-based systems for communities, public adm

Re: [Zope-dev] (SHOUT) NOTIFICATION!!!!

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
> Notification, which bugzilla offers, MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE!! > Email notification is good enough, if I want that to beep my cellphone, I just > send it to me genie.co.uk email address... Yet another comment: That translates to "We finally need MAILMAN integration into Zope!" I mean,

Re: [Zope-dev] (SHOUT) NOTIFICATION!!!!

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
> I think there's another problem here: possibly the community isn't > large enough yet. There's already been a discussion on zope-coders > about how little those with commit priviledges are actually > committing, and the main reason is simply that no-one has enough > time. This might be a bit s

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
> Where's the $99 version of Zope? The $499? The $1499? The > $25999? Zope Corp hasn't pulled that card out like many other > vendors have. There are actually many pieces of Zope that were > initially commercial add-ons (or intended to be) that are now all > open source. I sometimes have the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Fishbowl?

2001-11-30 Thread Joachim Werner
> When we first opened the fishbowl, it was with the certainty that we > wouldn't get it right immediately. That's why we went with the intentially > low-tech approach of a pile of Wikis. That first step actually worked > pretty well for a while until we hit critical-Wiki-mass and there were > sud

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! > > This is a totally different business model than the one Zope Corp. is using > > right now, but it might help refinancing the overhead a good community needs > > to have ... > > > Would it have to be done by ZC? No, of course not. And there could be more than one of course (though we'd n

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Joachim Werner
> The second is pretty exciting as well. I saw a presentation in Paris by > Juan David Palomar, of Localizer fame. (The presentation is now up at > http://estce.act.uji.es:9673/localizer). The presentation impressed me > on the need to get someone into the core of Zope that knows all these > de

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Joachim Werner
> Of course there are hot spots. I have asked multiple times for help on the > mailing > lists and the Eurozope site to identify such related hot spots. > Also I had expect some input of the community regarding at unicode support > inside Zope. But there has been no feedback. It looks like no one

Re: [Zope-dev] my comments on i18n

2001-12-03 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Just a very short comment: > As Paul said in the Paris meeting and as Joachim W. has > stated in a previous mail, one thing we can work on is in > a common way to get translations from message catalogs, from > Python code and DTML and ZPT templates. exactly > Don't matters where the messag

Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process

2001-12-03 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi Martijn! Formulator is a good case how things can work. You did the main design work on your own. And that was very good. Then we had the chance to contribute ideas for new fields etc. I now have my own FormulatorExtensions product with stuff I could imagine being part of Formulator as soon as

[Zope-dev] Catalog wierdness ...

2001-12-05 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Any ZCatalog experts out there? I am suddenly getting this with a ZCatalog (it is actually a subclassed version of the ZCatalog, almost a one-to-one copy of the CMF Catalog tool): -- Zope Error Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. Error Type: KeyError Error Va

Re: [Zope-dev] Catalog wierdness ...

2001-12-05 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! > This isn't a Catalog error, it's a ZODB error. It appears that your > ZODB data has beome inconsistent. You might want to try to run > fsrecover.py against it after making a backup to see if it detects any > errors. I don't think so: - fsrecover doesn't find anything - the error occurs

[Zope-dev] ZBabel Object incompatibility with Zope 2.5 b2

2001-12-11 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! This time I need some specialists to help ... Here is some code from ZBabel Objects. ZBabel objects are folders that hold localized versions of anything you want to internationalize and pass getting attributes and calling objects to one of these localized versions depending on your language

Re: [Zope-dev] ZBabel Object incompatibility with Zope 2.5 b2

2001-12-11 Thread Joachim Werner
Doesn't seem to make any difference :-( What does that option do? > > > >class Rewrapper(Base): > > > >def __init__(self, path): > >self._path = path > > > >def __of__(self, parent): > >ob = parent > >for p in self._path: > >ob = getattr(ob, p) <= H

[Zope-dev] Precompiled binaries for Linux? (SuSE)

2001-12-19 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I have tried to compile psycopg on a SuSE Linux 7.0 system, but it I simply cannot get it done. Do you have some precompiled binaries you could post? Thanks a lot in advance! Joachim Werner ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [Zope-dev] OpenOffice and Zope ??

2001-12-19 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I don't have the resources to start something like that NOW, but I'd really like to see work on an OpenOffice integration: > has anybody integrated/plans on intragration/experimented with > OpenOffice and Zope ? YES. > - OpenOffice as a HTML Editor / Web-Frontend for Zope I don't like tha

Re: [Zope-dev] Precompiled binaries for Linux? (SuSE)

2001-12-19 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I finally managed to compile that beast. So I'll probably be the one to post binaries ASAP ... - Original Message - From: "Joachim Werner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:37 P

[Zope-dev] Strange error message: "function attributes not accessible in restricted mode"

2001-12-19 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I have two Zope 2.5 b2 installations on two seemingly identical machines, both with PostgreSQL, ZPsyCopDA, and DBObjects. In the DBObjects demo, I am getting THIS (see below) on one of the machines (the one with the slightly older installation). Very strange for me. What the hell is "restric

[Zope-dev] PDF-specific Bug in the ZServer implementation??? Or just strange behavoiur of IE?

2002-01-07 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! This is my first post in the new year, so best wishes for 2002 from Germany! And on we go with my problem: I have a ZClass-based Class derived from File. It holds PDF documents. SOME (not all) of them do not auto-open in Acrobat Reader as they are supposed to if MS IE 5.x is used. Opera etc

Re: [Zope-dev] PDF-specific Bug in the ZServer implementation??? Or just strange behavoiur of IE?

2002-01-07 Thread Joachim Werner
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Casey Duncan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Joachim Werner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] PDF-specific Bug in the ZServer implementation??? Or just strange behavoiu

Re: [Zope-dev] PDF-specific Bug in the ZServer implementation??? Or just strange behavoiur of IE?

2002-01-07 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Just to answer my own question and complete the mail archive: If you have problems with downloads that make use of the HTTP range functionality (e.g. with the latest Acrobat Reader in MS IE), Zope 2.5 fixes the problem (for me). ___ Zope-Dev ma

[Zope-dev] Temporary Storage + Sessions + Versions: How?

2002-01-14 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I have a problem concerning using versions and sessions together in Zope 2.5 beta 3: As the Temporary Storage is incompatible with versions, it seems to me that I can not at all use any session manipulating code in a method that might be called under version control. This is very disturbing

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Temporary Storage + Sessions + Versions: How?

2002-01-14 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! Thanks for the hint. I'll try using a versioning storage, though it might be rather inefficient I guess? > > As the Temporary Storage is incompatible with versions, it seems to > me that > > I can not at all use any session manipulating code in a method that > might be > > > called under

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Temporary Storage + Sessions + Versions: How?

2002-01-14 Thread Joachim Werner
let me state what I think is a fact: As of Zope 2.5 b3, you can either use versions OR sessions. If you try to combine them, you'll get into big trouble. This is a major bug, right? Cheers Joachim - Original Message - From: "Chris McDonough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: &q

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Temporary Storage + Sessions + Versions: How?

2002-01-14 Thread Joachim Werner
I have a slight correction to make (which doesn't change the message of this posting): > - As the new sessioning code seems to be working within the transaction > machinery, the SESSION.set action causes the mere display of an index_html > page (that includes a session initialization method) to b

[Zope-dev] hiding tabs in manage view

2002-02-05 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I remember that someone posted that question before, but I didn't find it. So here it is again: In the latest Zope versions, if a user has no rights to see a certain management tab in the ZMI, it is shown anyway. If he clicks on it, he'll get an authentication request, so the method behind t

[Zope-dev] Benchmarks: DTML vs. ZPT?

2002-02-06 Thread Joachim Werner
Hello! Has anyone done any performance comparisons between DTML and ZPT yet? The reason I'm asking is that we did some first(completely unscientific) tests and had the impression that ZPT were actually quite a bit SLOWER than DTML - and I just can't believe that ... Joachim ___

Re: [Zope-dev] ZMI textareas on Windows IE6 are '100%+' wide, cause scrolling inconvenience

2002-02-09 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I think the problem is more severe. IE 6 has obviously changed behaviour compared to IE 5.5. I'd call it a bug. It now always calculates "100%" with the right-hand bar's width INCLUDED, so there are other side-effects than the one you are describing, like the last tab on the right being parti

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