-1 for purely aesthetic reasons (IOW, I'm used to zope.something).
Marius Gedminas
P.S. I used to think ZOPE was a recursive acronym for the ZOPE Object
Publishing Environment. wink
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What do people think about alternative 4?
+1
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to be related in my mind.
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if 'mycontainer' not in root:
root['mycontainer'] = MyContainer()
transaction.commit()
conn.close()
Then register this subscriber in your configure.zcml:
subscriber handler=myapp.CreateMyContainer /
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recently would update the changelog. Note that it's in
README.txt, which was ok by the old rules. Nowadays a separate
CHANGES.txt file seems to be preferred.
Will do.
Done.
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, this is mentioned in the README:
* The IMailSentEvent and IMailErrorEvent events aren't used and can't be
used
(you don't want to send emails during the commit phase).
I'll submit a launchpad entry to rip this out.
+1
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/setuptools:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/distutils-sig/2007-September/008296.html
Note that the latest setuptools release (setuptools 0.6c7) does NOT
contain the fix.
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On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 11:06:48AM -0500, Chris McDonough wrote:
I typed four more paragraphs full of markety stuff here but deleted them.
*cheers*
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On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 05:26:14PM -0500, Chris McDonough wrote:
Marius Gedminas wrote:
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 11:06:48AM -0500, Chris McDonough wrote:
I typed four more paragraphs full of markety stuff here but deleted them.
*cheers*
I'll take that as STFU ;-)
It wasn't intended
the complete
history.
It is somewhat easier if your editor properly supports 'svn annotate'.
On the other hand, names in comments, unlike svn's knowledge, survive
when you move packages around.
Therefore, the who may be helpful in case of questions about the code.
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be quite hard to use zope.sendmail without the deferred email
bit. It was designed from the very start to defer email sending to
successful transaction commits (but due to a bug didn't actually do so
for a couple of years -- oops).
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-egg won't be used.
Why stdout and not stderr? If you have two explicit requirement that
cannot be both satisfied at the same time, wouldn't it make more sense
show a clear error message and abort?
In case of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
--- Zen of Python
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to the actual test runner output.
Also, I think that lack of a bin/test for any package can be rightly
considered to be a bug.
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pypy.interpreter.executioncontext.OperationError instance at 0x5eee30
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 05:03:13PM -0500, Tres Seaver wrote:
Marius Gedminas wrote:
Also, I think that lack of a bin/test for any package can be rightly
considered to be a bug.
'bin/test' doesn't make much sense to me as a way to run the tests
belonging to the packge-being-tested
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 07:22:49PM +0200, Marius Gedminas wrote:
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 10:15:49AM +0100, Christian Theune wrote:
Gnah. zopebuildbot.whq.gocept.com
Yummy. Your email prompted me to fix some of the red test failures:
z3checkins (that no one cares about) and zope.component
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 05:01:53PM -0500, Tres Seaver wrote:
Marius Gedminas wrote:
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 05:03:13PM -0500, Tres Seaver wrote:
I would think that getting 'python setup.py test' to work for each
package-being-tested, which a) makes sure that the package works even
for non
to
try title = _(uNosso n\u00FAmero) temporarily.
FWIW the usual way is to use English titles in the source code and
provide a .po file with translations. I'm not sure how to hook that up
through Five.
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a different topic.
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way when you initially write the
test. But when some time later your test starts failing, they're a
nightmare to debug.
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feel the obligation to. Sadly, the feeling of
obligation usually leads me to procrastinate and do something completely
different...
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made after retry_interval seconds.
Thank you very much for diving into the murky depths and improving
zope.sendmail!
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On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:33:10PM +, Chris Withers wrote:
Marius Gedminas wrote:
+Process results of an SMTP error
+ returns True to indicate break needed
The standard docstring convention is to do this:
Process results of an SMTP error.
There was a blank
and patience.
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** No cross
. There's no substitute for actual
testing.
The safe way is to use a sandbox full of Zope 3 packages known to work
together. There are multiple ways of getting one: svn checkout, tarball
install, virtualenv, zc.buildout.
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case, the src/docutils in the Zope 3.2 tree either doesn't have the fix,
or it doesn't work. I tested it and ended up closing that hole in an
application myself.
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machines can think, a question of which we now
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 09:20:23AM +1200, Matthew Grant wrote:
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 20:02 +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
I want to get teh branch to the point where it gets merged.
Don't feel that my review is somehow necessary for it being merged. I
tend to procrastinate
with doctest's monkey-patch.
Is the zdpb module available on the web somewhere?
I can understand that my set_trace would not have worked
(as probably sys.stdout/err points somewhere else then usual),
but I have difficulties to understand why doctest's set_trace
does not work (at all).
Marius
be to write a unit test to reproduce this in
zope.testing's test suite.
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* the only way to solve this conflict is to explicitly separate unit
tests (test_*.py) from doctest-enhanced API documentation (*.txt).
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by real
introductions, or easy-to-read howtos.
+1 for strict separation of API docs from tests.
On zope.org, instead of individual egg docs, we need high level docs or
integration docs that cover several packages at once. In which eggs do you
want
to put them?
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in what they expected to be documentation
* programmers complain about narratives being too hard to modify
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On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 02:03:53PM -0700, Timothy Selivanow wrote:
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 22:38 +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
By the way, the usual way to run tests in the Zope-3-land is to use
bin/test rather than setup.py test. It uses a slightly different test
runner that uses
://bugs.launcpad.net/zope3 could help a bit.
Marius Gedminas
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it often makes custom IAbsoluteURL adapters pointless. LocationProxy
helps then.
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for an optical computer
mentioned:
'/div\n/div' suddenly became '/div/div'.
/body
/html
Ran 5 tests with 1 failures and 0 errors in 0.674 seconds.
Tear down z3c.traverser.viewlet.ftests.TestLayer ... not supported
Total: 65 tests, 1 failures, 0 errors in 22.573 seconds.
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do
not obscure errors in the log)
* increase the buildbot timeout (pass timeout=60*60 to the step that
runs the tests)
If even buildbot, who has the patience of a computer, is not running
tests that take a long time, will anyone else ever run them?
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Many people enjoy
, send another message,
announcing the end of the failure, with an In-Reply-To header containing
the previous message ID, for proper threading.
That would be lovely.
For everyone else: please have a look at the list of broken builds:
http://zopebuildbot.whq.gocept.com/cruise
Nice.
Marius
that well in advance of the physical move (say, couple of days before),
then new DNS information should propagate quickly.
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Microsoft is the question.
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', u'Prosciutto'))}
Nasty test relies on dictionary order. A pprint should fix this.
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with zc.comment enough to attempt to fix this one.
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On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 08:15:28AM +0200, Christian Theune wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:23:04PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 07:00:14PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Buildbot has detected a new failure of z3c.schemadiff on Zope.
Full details
complaints bother other people, how about creating a
separate list for them?
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One could envision a different approach to persistence (hands wave and
magical stardust appears overhead to percussive indian string music)
where objects in the database were proxied rather than deriving
want to use a double underscored name?)
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Python script to
do that.
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CPUs if I manually run two instances of the test runner in two xterms in
parallel.
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span tal:condition=repeat/var/evenevenspan
/p
produces different results on Zope 3.4 than it did on 3.2.
Does anyone know why this is? Is this a bug? Should it be fixed?
Marius Gedminas
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Unauthorized into NotFound.
If I can access a location (say, http://localhost/container/item) when
I'm logged in, then if I try that as an anonymous user, I should get an
authentication dialog rather than a 404 Not Found page.
Marius Gedminas
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On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 06:05:05PM +0200, Andreas Jung wrote:
--On 4. Juli 2008 02:05:30 +0300 Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Recently I migrated a large-ish app built on Zope 3.2 to Zope 3.4.
(About time I hear someone mumbling in the audience.) One strange
difference
layers (unit and functional).
Especially given the quirk that the first test layer is run on one CPU
while the other idles.
Marius Gedminas
P.S. Zope 3 is such a sweet little thing! All the tests finish in 3
minutes! Heaven.
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On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 05:44:12PM -0400, Benji York wrote:
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I tried this in a Zope 3.4 checkout I had handy on a Core 2 Duo machine
(1.8 GHz, running 64-bit Ubuntu Hardy). One test module could not be
loaded, which
, IMHO.
I think I'll run the test suite again on a 64-bit Linux machine, for
extra fun. And maybe do that for Python 2.4 as well.
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else will take a look at the diff and update a few of
the affected packages:
zope.app.applicationcontrol
zope.app.cache
zope.app.pagetemplate
zope.app.pythonpage
zope.app.wsgi
zope.traversing
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On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 02:18:23PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
I finally discovered zope.release (and by discovered I mean Stephan
Richter told me about it on IRC, again, but this time I had the time to
take a look). It has a script that generates a buildout of all the KGS
packages so you
)
- having *automated* regression notifications for changes to the KGS
that break one or more tests
- having the tests pass cleanly with no extra output
By care about I mean am willing to do work to achieve/maintain this.
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download.zope.org?
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whitespace: '\r'
Module: zope.app.container.tests.test_constraints
ValueError: line 11 of the docstring for constraints.txt has inconsistent
leading whitespace: '\r'
Ideas? Eggs built on Windows? Missing svn:eol-style=native properties? Mixed
\n and \r\n line endings?
Marius
Linux, plus
- z3c.form expects a certain behaviour from Exception.__repr__,
which changed in Python 2.5
* Python 2.5, 64-bit Linux
- a horrifying amount of errors (80 total), I'll retry after
cleaning up the buildbot slave dir.
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On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 07:26:08PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
Latest test results
Now updated after
* nuking buildbot slave directories that had some contamination from
previous contacts with system python
* disabling z3c.rml tests because of missing PIL and Reportlab eggs
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 12:57:48AM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
- zope.server tests fail horribly with invalid file descriptor
errors. I cannot reproduce this error in isolation (bin/test -m
zope.server), but I can reproduce it when I run all the tests
together
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 01:50:33AM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 12:57:48AM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
- zope.server tests fail horribly with invalid file descriptor
errors. I cannot reproduce this error in isolation (bin/test -m
zope.server
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 01:59:49AM +0200, Sebastien Douche wrote:
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 18:26, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
News about the KGS buildbot at http://zope3.pov.lt/buildbot/:
Impressive, can you show your buildbot configuration ? I want running
the same here.
http
or download.zope.org/simple is reasonable. Removing eggs
isn't. :-)
Well, now I know. Previously I thought only removing whole released
versions from PyPI was bad.
Marius Gedminas
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. It should be simple to fix the test.
Ran 183 tests with 2 failures and 0 errors in 43.094 seconds.
Tearing down left over layers:
Tear down zope.testing.testrunner.layer.UnitTests in 0.000 seconds.
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= SomethingElse()
ISomething(obj) will return obj.something.
getAdapter(obj, ISomething) will raise a ComponentLookupError.
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Corsac but what I see is that there is no real procedure to rebuild initfs
Corsac the common way seems
be to use getTerm, not getTermByToken.
I wouldn't mind seeing getTerm renamed to getTermByValue, but that's
probably difficult to do without breaking backwards-compatibility.
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A required Bool field can have two values: True or False. One is
represented by a checked checkbox, the other by an unchecked checkbox.
An unchecked checkbox is not missing input and should not trigger
required missing errors.
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As easy as 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716
of Choices. It's not the default widget (the default is a
multi-selection list box), and while it is registered as being valid for
sets, it always tries to store a list in the content object.
I'm writing from memory, so I may have gotten some details wrong.
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** No cross
is no longer acceptable.
So either let's make zope.app.testing not depend on the whole world, or
let's extract the core of zope.app.testing and put it somewhere else
(zope.testing?).
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* you do, but that doesn't belong to zope.schema either.
Are you arguing that zope.schema.Field should not have a title
attribute?
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is an interactive .dot viewer (PyGtk + Cairo)
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/gtkeggdeps
builds on top of tl.eggdeps and expresses the graph as a tree
Unfortunately even these tools didn't help much in untangling the big
core dependency cycle, during the Foliage sprint last year.
Marius Gedminas
definitely say Yes to that answer.
This is a big issue?
Yes.
I don't think so. Disks are cheap and usually you
don't get in touch with the dependent modules under the hood - except for
debugging :-)
It is not a disk space issue, it's a conceptual issue.
Marius Gedminas
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Voodoo
PageTempalte?
Without lxml, it'll use ``xml.etree`` to parse the template and there
a few differences, most of which have been addressed at this point.
Is that ElementTree that was only included from Python 2.5? In other
words, z3c.pt + python2.4 - lxml = fail?
Marius Gedminas
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:
...
The second attachment is a diff showing the changes to a typical Zope2
product's setup.py to support this proposal.
I'm +0.5 for the idea, although the amount of ritual dancing in the
setup.py seems a bit excessive.
Marius Gedminas
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99 bugs in the code,
fix one bug
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:42:33AM +0200, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Marius Gedminas wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:52:49PM -0400, Tres Seaver wrote:
$ ../bin/python setup.py test # [2]
# Runs egg_info, installs regular and testing dependencies, and
# runs all unit (non
,
since DT_Util is capitalized).
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** No cross posts
a consideration, you could rename this attribute to
with_, as that seems to be the current convention for names that are
also keywords (e.g. ZCML directives that have a 'class' attribute name
it 'class_' in the corresponding interface).
Marius Gedminas
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been considered a mistake but was never fixed.
I'm not sure my explanation are helpful ;). Did I mention it was a mess?
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anywhere. There is absolutely no need for introducing such nonsense, and
deviating from
just
implement Jim's suggestion. I'll do so as soon as possible.
Thank you.
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After:
testing
svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/zope.testing/tags/3.5.6/src/zope/testing
Unless I'm seeing things, this is a bump to a newer version.
The new one is so new it's counting version numbers in reverse?
Marius Gedminas
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On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 09:31:44AM +0100, Christian Theune wrote:
I'd like to increase the logging for zope.app.generations to output an
INFO message when performing a generation.
+1
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seem to work.
I've a full svn mirror up to rev 92837 if it turns out to be needed.
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borderline dyslexic, and we don't want you to mess with it anyway
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; if not, it would be good to report it
and then mention the bug number in the changelog before the release.
Summary: +1 for releasing 3.4.2.
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zope.testing import doctest
except ImportError:
import doctest
instead.
If no, can someone make a release on PyPI of this package?
Marius Gedminas
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plausible, and wrong.
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On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 10:03:01PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Previously Marius Gedminas wrote:
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 02:04:39AM +0300, Dan Korostelev wrote:
I just removed zope.testing from the zope.index dependency and
replaced zope.testing.doctest imports with plain python
or not; enabling them by default is not a good decision,
having a global config file in $HOME for that setting would be a
good choice.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope.testing/+bug/306478
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now has so many
will merge this into trunk shortly.
Could you please measure the impact on RAM usage and rendering speed of
this removal for an app that uses Zope's i18n mechanism for rendering
templates?
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On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:45:27PM +, Malthe Borch wrote:
Martijn Pieters wrote:
The C extension is required to make messageids immutable. Because they
are immutable, the security machinery can treat them as rocks, e.g.
safe to pass around. Removing the C-extension undoes this, as you
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 02:33:53PM +, Johannes Raggam wrote:
hey,
i guess i found a bug in z3c.form.browser.radio.
in z3c.form.browser.radio, line 49 (class RadioWidget, def update), the
line should read
label = term.value
You can't assume ``value`` will be a string. People
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:42:09AM +, Chris Withers wrote:
Dieter Maurer wrote:
Then, use something different from adaptation (as adaptation does
not fit your wishes).
This is what I'm trying to do with subclassing, and my question was why
that subclassing wasn't working...
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 03:45:01PM -0500, Tres Seaver wrote:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
Christian Zagrodnick wrote:
[snip]
Nope. http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-dev/2007-August/023223.html
Weird. At first glance I do not understand the context of that decision.
There was a
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return DocFileSuite(*paths, optionflags=REPORT_NDIFF|ELLIPSIS)
(You might want to use os.path.pardir instead of '..')
glob() will search relative to os.getcwd(), while DocFileSuite will
search relative to os.path.dirname(__file__). The two may be different.
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we
want) over library-ish behaviour (we supply utilities, you call them
when you want), and could be called an abstract principle behind both
DIP and DI
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversion_of_control
Oh dear, now I'm confused. ;-)
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zope3.4 KGS releases.
Can you add Apache rewrite rules to redirect the old URLs to the new
locations, just on general principles (cool URLs don't change)?
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Sounds good!
What about the other use case of class, i.e. declaring implemented
interfaces, as in
class class=.foreignmodule.SomeClass
implements interface=.interfaces.ISomeInterface /
/class
?
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In case somebody needs to know how that one's set up, you can find the
buildmaster config file at http://zope3.pov.lt/master.cfg
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(Hint, hint.)
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