[Zope3-dev] Re: Duplicated zope.decorator in zope.app.container

2006-09-25 Thread Wolfgang Schnerring
[moving to the list because it might be of wider interest] * Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-09-22 07:27]: On Sep 22, 2006, at 4:23 AM, Wolfgang Schnerring wrote: Hi Jim, Theuni and I refactored zope.decorator and put its contents into zope.proxy and zope.security, respectively. The

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Subversion 1.4 breaks mkzopeinstance.py

2006-09-25 Thread Dmitry Vasiliev
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Uh, why are we parsing the entries file? To get the current revision of the Zope 3 checkout... Why not use svn info --xml? or even just svn info... I think we

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Subversion 1.4 breaks mkzopeinstance.py

2006-09-25 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Dmitry Vasiliev wrote: Ugh, it was me. I switched ZopeVersion from CSV to SVN, moreover the first revision (25322) used 're' module to parse .svn/entries and later (41452) has been switched to use 'xml.dom.minidom'. I think extract information from .svn/entries is more safe way

Re: Use launchpad ! (was Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs)

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Baiju M wrote: On 9/22/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Finally, I'm experimenting with using launchpad for bugs: https://launchpad.net/products/zc.buildout/+bugs and feature requests: https://features.launchpad.net/products/zc.buildout/ So far this is working OK. I

Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: On Sep 22, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 22 September 2006 12:52, Martijn Faassen wrote: I hope we can move to a pattern where projects gain a homepage somewhere on zope.org, including doctests and some other information, and the cheeseshop is used for

Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jim Fulton wrote: On Sep 22, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: While I'm happy with the way this works now as it's agile, I am also hoping that eventually we can move away from the cheeseshop as the prime documentation site of a project; it's not ideally suited for that. It's not

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Subversion 1.4 breaks mkzopeinstance.py

2006-09-25 Thread Dmitry Vasiliev
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Dmitry Vasiliev wrote: Ugh, it was me. I switched ZopeVersion from CSV to SVN, moreover the first revision (25322) used 're' module to parse .svn/entries and later (41452) has been switched to use 'xml.dom.minidom'. I think extract information from

Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Benji York
Martijn Faassen wrote: I also consider it very important that we have at least a *list* on zope.org of zope 3 projects. :) I'd suggest something that links back to PyPi, like the TurboGears GogBin: http://www.turbogears.org/cogbin/ -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Benji York wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: I also consider it very important that we have at least a *list* on zope.org of zope 3 projects. :) I'd suggest something that links back to PyPi, like the TurboGears GogBin: http://www.turbogears.org/cogbin/ Yes, that may be enough for many of the

Re: Use launchpad ! (was Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs)

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Baiju M wrote: On 9/22/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Finally, I'm experimenting with using launchpad for bugs: https://launchpad.net/products/zc.buildout/+bugs and feature requests: https://features.launchpad.net/products/zc.buildout/ So far this is working OK. I

Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Benji York
Martijn Faassen wrote: Benji York wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: I also consider it very important that we have at least a *list* on zope.org of zope 3 projects. :) I'd suggest something that links back to PyPi, like the TurboGears GogBin: http://www.turbogears.org/cogbin/ Yes, that may

[Zope3-dev] Apologies for slowing down svn

2006-09-25 Thread Dario Lopez-Kästen
Hello, uh... I just realised that I have messed up. I was going to co the Zope2 trunk but after wondering why it never finished, I discovered that I somehow managed to co *all* of zope2, including all the branches, etc. :-P I am not doing that any more. I apologise for any incovenience this may

[Zope3-dev] Re: Subversion 1.4 breaks mkzopeinstance.py

2006-09-25 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 22, 2006, at 7:40 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Uh, why are we parsing the entries file? To get the current revision of the Zope 3 checkout... That seems excessive to me. Let's stop. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Duplicated zope.decorator in zope.app.container

2006-09-25 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:25 AM, Wolfgang Schnerring wrote: [moving to the list because it might be of wider interest] * Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-09-22 07:27]: On Sep 22, 2006, at 4:23 AM, Wolfgang Schnerring wrote: Hi Jim, Theuni and I refactored zope.decorator and put its contents

Re: [Zope3-dev] the maintenance of change logs

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn Faassen
Benji York wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Benji York wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: I also consider it very important that we have at least a *list* on zope.org of zope 3 projects. :) I'd suggest something that links back to PyPi, like the TurboGears GogBin:

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Duplicated zope.decorator in zope.app.container

2006-09-25 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Jim Fulton wrote: Yes, now that you mention it. Proxies should be as transparent as possible. As such, they shouldn't add additional attributes if they can avoid it. I think it's best to leave things as they are, with a comment pointing out that the difference is in the version of

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Duplicated zope.decorator in zope.app.container

2006-09-25 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 25, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, Jim Fulton wrote: Yes, now that you mention it. Proxies should be as transparent as possible. As such, they shouldn't add additional attributes if they can avoid it. I think it's best to leave things as they are, with a comment

[Zope3-dev] Zope3 trunk doesn't start

2006-09-25 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi all How drops the bforest package out of the zope package? Do we get bforest package back or should we drop the API doc registration too for bforest too? Traceback (most recent call last): File z3.py, line 64, in ? run() File z3.py, line 60, in run main(argv[1:]) File

Re: [Zope3-dev] Zope3 trunk doesn't start

2006-09-25 Thread Gary Poster
On Sep 25, 2006, at 12:18 PM, Roger Ineichen wrote: Hi all How drops the bforest package out of the zope package? Do we get bforest package back or should we drop the API doc registration too for bforest too? Hm. I ran the tests before checking in the removal. bforest was added in the

Re: [Zope3-dev] persistent event subscribers?

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: It isn't at the most basic level. Security gets rather difficult if you let non-fully-trusted people create subscribers. OK, wasn't specifically worrying about security, but why do you see this as being an issue? We already have persistent subscribers now, in a round

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zope.interface.Interface.(isImplementedBy vs implementedBy)

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Withers
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Listen, we were over this. Apparently, some of us are not ;-) (and the problems caused by having two repositories for the same piece of software keep emerging!) I wrote whole proposal about this months ago already [1] and it was disputed heavily. Right,

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [z3-five] zcml questions

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: It would *also* require that we implement the no side-effects during parsing policy (my other favorite dead horse in arguments about ZCML's implementation / usage). Beat away. :) I've been in favor of this for some time. This is definitely a goal. Can we have a papal

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zcml questions

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Withers
Martijn Faassen wrote: configuration. This way, if we grow Python-based configuration or automatic configuration, the system will still work. I do care about this, because I hate zcml(tm) but how would you see disabling working in a python-based config? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix -

[Zope3-dev] Re: [z3-five] zcml questions

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Withers
Tres Seaver wrote: How should I do things such that they can do that? I'm just wondering whether you really need the disabling feature. I've wanted it. My major beef with the way we are *using* ZCML now is that we expect package authors to provide policy-laden configuration for their

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zcml questions

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Withers
Stephan Richter wrote: This has been proposed and approved, but implementation has been delayed due to missing XPath features. http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/ZCMLEnhancements I like all of the ideas on there, I'm a little confused though. How much of what

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zcml questions

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: I have a feeling that xpath is overkill. I wish it was, but I don't think it is.. It alsoi won't work for actions defined in Python. Wasn't aware you could do this, where can I find examples? I'd rather see some sort of identifier system. But that would mean every

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [z3-five] zcml questions

2006-09-25 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:44 PM, Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: It would *also* require that we implement the no side-effects during parsing policy (my other favorite dead horse in arguments about ZCML's implementation / usage). Beat away. :) I've been in favor of this for some

Re: [Zope3-dev] persistent event subscribers?

2006-09-25 Thread Jim Fulton
On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:20 PM, Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: It isn't at the most basic level. Security gets rather difficult if you let non-fully-trusted people create subscribers. OK, wasn't specifically worrying about security, but why do you see this as being an issue?

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: zcml questions

2006-09-25 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:44 PM, Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: It would *also* require that we implement the no side-effects during parsing policy (my other favorite dead horse in arguments about ZCML's