Gary Poster wrote:
On Feb 11, 2006, at 11:48 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
[...]
Indeed. Plus, I strongly feel that pushing Zope 3 more than Zope 2 or
viceversa isn't helping. We need to push Zope-the-technology and
Zope-the-community. Branding Zope 3 and making it look like something
s
On Feb 11, 2006, at 11:48 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
[...]
Indeed. Plus, I strongly feel that pushing Zope 3 more than Zope 2 or
viceversa isn't helping. We need to push Zope-the-technology and
Zope-the-community. Branding Zope 3 and making it look like something
separate now when Zope
Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Just to drop a note that I think a discussion about a potential brand
> name for Zope 3 is far less important than actually fixing our website
> and presenting Zope 3 (and Zope 2 for that matter) in a better way.
>
> Perhaps we can better redirect our energies to that than
Alexander Limi wrote:
3.x was still just unfinished vapourware, waiting for the fabled Zope2
integration (the dropping of the X) that people were talking about.
The way it was done was also incredibly unprofessional and created a lot
of confusion:
Oh don't be so rediculous. No-one ever said
On 2/7/06, Jeff Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Something that I admire about Ruby on Rails, Django, MochiKit, and
> TurboGears all is that they're opinionated, proud of it, clear in
> their message, and all seem to have a similar degree of respect for
> simplicity and communication.
Hi!
Just a
On Feb 7, 2006, at 5:19 AM, Stephan Richter wrote:
On Tuesday 07 February 2006 05:09, Jeff Shell wrote:
Alright, I've stayed up way too late on this.
Jeff,
you always make great points! I would like to nominate you as the
"Zope 3
Propaganda Minister"! :-) No seriously, you have a great wa
On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 00:59 -0500, Fred Drake wrote:
> So why not say "it's about XP" and make it "Zope XP 3.x.y"?
>
It sounds too much 'Windows XP' like for my taste.
Alen
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On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 03:37:45PM -0700, Shane Hathaway wrote:
> Alexander Limi wrote:
> >The original discussion never suggested code names for releases, but a
> >brand name to help Zope 3 separate itself from Zope 2 - since it is a
> >*completely* different beast.
>
> Random thought... hehe
On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 03:16:22 -0800, Martijn Faassen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
"Zope X3 is the next major Zope release and has been written from
scratch based on the latest software design patterns and the experiences
of Zope 2. The "X" in the name stands for "experimental", since this
re
Alexander Limi wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 00:32:52 -0800, Martin Aspeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Like it or not, Zope (2) seems to have a lot of stigma out there; Zope
3 has been around a while. In actual fact, for a while I thought Zope
3.x was still just unfinished vapourware, waiting fo
Shane Hathaway wrote:
Alexander Limi wrote:
+1. Zope^3 is visually interesting enough, and geeky enough.
While procrastinating Real Work, I played with a logo based on this
idea. It's very rough--a more refined version would probably eliminate
the 3D effects. But it's something to talk abo
Joel Moxley wrote:
[snip]
These are good points. I'm not convinced myself yet we should leave
zope.org as is and do the marketing for Zope 2 - I think Zope.org is
currently mostly anti-marketing for whatever Zope we're talking about.
That said, getting community interest in making something n
2006/2/7, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Alexander Limi wrote:
> > The original discussion never suggested code names for releases, but a
> > brand name to help Zope 3 separate itself from Zope 2 - since it is a
> > *completely* different beast.
>
> Random thought... hehe... Zope Cubed. It'
On 2/7/06, Alen Stanisic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> upcoming marketing campaign :). The X can send this message better
> than any other single character and it's not as obtrusive as adding or
> changing a name. I believe to certain extent there is already
> understanding out there that X could
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:37:45 -0800, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Alexander Limi wrote:
The original discussion never suggested code names for releases, but a
brand name to help Zope 3 separate itself from Zope 2 - since it is a
*completely* different beast.
Random thought.
On 2/8/06, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, but then we end up with Zope3 3.2.5, which is exactly what caused
> us to drop the X3 previously ;-)
>
Thinking about the X it is unfortunate it was used to indicate
compatibility with Zope2 and the experimental version of Zope. It was
Alexander Limi wrote:
The original discussion never suggested code names for releases, but a
brand name to help Zope 3 separate itself from Zope 2 - since it is a
*completely* different beast.
Random thought... hehe... Zope Cubed. It's only a typographical change
from Zope 3. The tagline
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 00:32:52 -0800, Martin Aspeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Like it or not, Zope (2) seems to have a lot of stigma out there; Zope 3
has been around a while. In actual fact, for a while I thought Zope 3.x
was still just unfinished vapourware, waiting for the fabled Zope2
in
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 01:32:51 -0800, Max M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
- Zope XP Home edition
Oooh. Can we have a Zope XP Media Center Edition 2005 Service Pack 2 too?
O:)
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:37:08 -0800, Fred Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 2/7/06, Paul Winkler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As I said before, I'm +0 on enhancing the brand,
-1 on adding release codenames.
IMO codenames make it harder, not easier, to talk about releases.
Which came first - Che
Mikhail Kashkin wrote:
1. This is new different platform, based on Zope ideas but with
absolutely different code bases
2. When users searchin' in search engines 'Zope 3', Google or other
throw away 3 and search only for Zope
3. Zope3 (or zope3) is more pythonic, you cann't name your module
'''zop
Jeff Shell wrote:
Beyond that, I think that 'Zope 3' is a good looking set of characters
and can be a strong brand in and of itself. Just always, always,
always refer to it as Zope 3. It doesn't need to be Zope on Zydeco or
something like that. 'Zope 3' has a lot of strong brand potential.
It's c
Martin Aspeli wrote:
- Have funky release codenames. Okay, good - makes it easier to talk
about Zope 3.2 vs. 3.3. However, I think this is secondary (by far) to ...
My vote? This blows, please don't do it...
The secondary brand name (the Zomething in my example above) was the
original exampl
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:50:08 -, Martin Aspeli (sent by Nabble.com)
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Ick! Why is this Nabble thing sending HTML mail :-(
(and why was Gmane totally unable to find this thread today?)
Martin
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On 2/7/06, Stephan Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 February 2006 05:09, Jeff Shell wrote:
> > Alright, I've stayed up way too late on this.
>
> Jeff,
>
> you always make great points! I would like to nominate you as the "Zope 3
> Propaganda Minister"! :-) No seriously, you have a
You're right, googling "Zope 3" works well surprisingly enough.
For the record, I'm +.9 on sticking with "Zope 3" for the moment, not
ruling out adding a codename or marketing tagline in future if we found
one that really fit. There *is* some bad feeling associated with "Zope"
- but also a lo
Tarek Ziadé wrote:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
Yes. Rest assured my ambition is to keep ambitions as low as possible.
:) Otherwise nothing will happen.
The front page of Zope.org doesn't show the activity around Z3 at all.
That wouln't cost anything to start to add a few z3 links in Zope Exits
On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 03:09:01AM -0700, Jeff Shell wrote:
> and this, which I absolutely love:
> http://www.python.org/doc/2.4/whatsnew/whatsnew24.html
+1. I think we really need something like that.
> I know that even I would care a lot less about new Python releases if
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Mikhail Kashkin wrote:
2. When users searchin' in search engines 'Zope 3', Google or other
throw away 3 and search only for Zope
Google doesn't "throw away" the 3.
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Martijn Faassen wrote:
Max M wrote:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
Alternatively, we could use our energy to actually work together on
a new website instead of competing. There's a zope-web mailing list,
after all, so go and talk there. This would have my preference.
If you want to fix the Zope
Max M wrote:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
Alternatively, we could use our energy to actually work together on a
new website instead of competing. There's a zope-web mailing list,
after all, so go and talk there. This would have my preference.
If you want to fix the Zope 2 website at the same time
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von: Martijn Faassen
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>Alternatively, we could use our energy to actually work together on a
>new website instead of competing. There's a zope-web mailing list, after
>all, so go and talk there. This would have my pref
Hj Jeff,
Okay - I'd like to restate my position. :-)
I think you're right - having different names for each release (Zope 3.2 = Blah, Zope 3.3 = Foo) *is* a bad idea, it creates confusion, especially in a framework with frequent releases. So -1 on that from me from now on. :)
However...
Jeff
On Tuesday 07 February 2006 05:42, Igor Stroh wrote:
> Just curious - has anyone already thought about the ressource organization?
> Is there any place we can paste our marketing slogans into? Some
> repository which could host design proposals for the brand new Zope3
> advocay site?
Join the zope
Stephan Richter wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 February 2006 05:09, Jeff Shell wrote:
>
>>Alright, I've stayed up way too late on this.
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> you always make great points! I would like to nominate you as the "Zope 3
> Propaganda Minister"! :-) No seriously, you have a great way of explaining
On Tuesday 07 February 2006 05:09, Jeff Shell wrote:
> Alright, I've stayed up way too late on this.
Jeff,
you always make great points! I would like to nominate you as the "Zope 3
Propaganda Minister"! :-) No seriously, you have a great way of explaining
why Zope 3 is better than the latest hy
On 2/6/06, Martin Aspeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Guys ... from my reading of the z3-user discussion, there were two subtly
> different things that came out:
>
> - Have funky release codenames. Okay, good - makes it easier to talk
> about Zope 3.2 vs. 3.3. However, I think this is secondary (
Hi there,
Gary Poster wrote:
[competition]
+1. I think the requirement to have enough people submitting is very
important, though. No competition anounced unless we get some idea that
we'll actually have enough competitors, otherwise we end up looking
silly ("what happened to the Zope marketin
Stephan Richter wrote:
On Monday 06 February 2006 20:49, Gary Poster wrote:
How about we have a marketing competition? :-)
+1 from me plus everything else you said below.
Yep, it's a good idea.
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Lennart Regebro wrote:
On 2/7/06, Martin Aspeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No, it would only make people go "What, first Zope 2, then Zope 3, now
Zope Zimba?" thinking it's three different things.
But always writing it Zope3 might be helpful.
Telling that there is a difference between Zope
On Monday 06 February 2006 20:49, Gary Poster wrote:
> How about we have a marketing competition? :-)
+1 from me plus everything else you said below.
Regards,
Stephan
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On 2/7/06, Martin Aspeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 1. This is new different platform, based on Zope ideas but with
> > absolutely different code bases
>
> Indeed. This is why I think that if a proper moniker (e.g. Zope3 Zimba)
> would be better.
No, it would only make people go "What, first Z
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 01:05:13 -, Mikhail Kashkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
- Have a *brand*. That means one name, a name that doesn't change. It
could just be "Zope 3" with a capital 3, or it could be a more
distinctive name, e.g. Zope 3 Zomething (where Zomething is something to
be decid
On Feb 6, 2006, at 5:37 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote:
[...]
This is about getting people to *understand* what Zope is about, to
understand that we *care* that they understand and that we made an
*effort* to make it easy for them to get into it. It's about
lowering the barrier to entry and the ri
> - Have a *brand*. That means one name, a name that doesn't change. It
> could just be "Zope 3" with a capital 3, or it could be a more
> distinctive name, e.g. Zope 3 Zomething (where Zomething is something to
> be decided) to have an even more distinctive brand; a logo that has some
> punch, a
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:27:43 -, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Stephan Richter wrote:
On Friday 03 February 2006 12:14, Shane Hathaway wrote:
Andreas Zeidler wrote:
On Fri, Feb 03 17:24, Encolpe Degoute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Zope 3 / Revolution ?
well, how about
Benji York wrote:
Shane Hathaway wrote:
Stephan Richter wrote:
Okay, I am giving in on this. There is a three step process that will
have to be fullfilled to assign a codename to the Zope 3.3 release.
I'd say assigning a name is a responsibility of the release manager.
As I understand it
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