see a lot of shake-up: ZCML directive
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t directive and you
are good to go. It was also one of the reasons XML was chosen.
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e they will move to
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's a road to misery. We need rip them out and develop another way to
> fulfill the use cases they represent.
There is the WebDev effort that demonstrates some TTW development features
that are actually applicable to Zope 3. Since WebDev concentrates on doing
components, the results can later
he has a need for a
customer.
Warning: The package is a little bit like the Wild West!
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-1. I only change my vote, if the technologies get much closer together. In
other words when Zoep 2 uses Zope 3's security, publisher, Page Templates,
RDB Adapters, etc.
Currently I often just delete zope-dev mails, because some weird thing is
discussed.
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oposal in this direction would find support. But
please do not just move those content-level scripting objects into WebDev.
WebDev is about TTW development in the site configuration space. BTW, during
the snow sprint we did develop TTW pages and resources already, which was
very cool.
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t as well.
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ly you left out so many verbs that I cannot understand the
question. I admit that the Boston skin is fairly formal. Simpler uses of
viewlets and viewlet managers are at svn.zope.org/zope.webdev and the
SchoolTool project.
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up the
> stack - arguably those components which should be "Plone" components still.
I would never try to do this.
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7; repository, getting to LISTED level would be automatic.
Becoming listed will be a nearly automated process. Also receiving level 1 and
2 will be quick decisions. This is clearly stated in section 2.8.
I have added a questions to the Q&A section clearly stating that the ZSCP does
not requi
over and over again. If you find that anything in the document contradicts
those 3 points above, let me know! I am very interested in fixing those type
of "bugs"! :-)
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d library. Since
zope.interface is ZPL and Python has its license, you need to change that. If
you do not have a contributor agreement that assigns half of the rights to an
organization, then you have to ask *all* developers whether the license
change is okay. If you cannot find a developer anymor
ches...
Very good summary. Better than mine. :-)
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Okay, this discussion is off-topic. I will not respond to it, unless I read
about something that relates directly to the proposal.
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ls the level 2 requirements (I think it could even
get level 3).
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ZSCP for some packages there :).
That would be very cool! :-)
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true. Phillip and I both negated this assertion. Where did you read
this? The quotes you had earlier were totally out of context. Nothing in
Section 2 requires anything of section 3.
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or how software moves
> from the primordial ooze to canon.
Well said.
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ason of the warning.
This way we can use the existing communication channels (mailing list and
IRC) for feedback and still have a way to formalize feedback. I guess in this
case we would also need a "resolve" action that could resolve a warning.
What do you think?
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is the general idea. I am not sure whether it will be fully
automated in the first iteration, but this is certainly the goal eventually.
The goal of a listed package is to say: Look, here I am, and I am trying very
hard to fulfill the quality guidelines and become certified.
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ed place to ensure
validity of the process. I think we will quickly figure out ways to do that,
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I think a lot of code can be reused. I have started a package that aims at
providing an implementation of the process independently from the
svn.zope.org layout.
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"Tests
verified by Automated Test Runner".
I am glad I was able to dissolve your concerns. :-)
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On Tuesday 21 February 2006 11:02, Lennart Regebro wrote:
> On 2/21/06, Stephan Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Why is it random? It is taken straight from the conventions now used in
> > Zope 3 for all new development. The rationale behind it is that you are
>
an old setup around, which is not
realistic.
> Tests are not always documentation. It's nice if they can be both, but
> I don't think it's a good idea to require it to be both, because quite
> often, it isn't.
Tests *should* always be documentation. That's the
e you are never using the variable `mgrcal`,
(2) a lot of magic is happening, because it is not obvious at all how the
event goes from the calendar to the storage manager utility.
Even if this test is correct as shown, the two points above would need a lot
of explaining for someone to understan
nested namespaces such
> as repos/main/..? This pattern is
> convenient if a few packages are tied together by their release cycles.
Yes, sure. There is no limit to the namespace depth.
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nal.
I would really like to see a proposal for this. We need to stop using sprints
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On Monday 27 February 2006 11:06, Lennart Regebro wrote:
> I like the vision of Zope2 becoming a set of extra packages you
> install for Zope3, to get backwards compatibility. Maybe this is the
> same as what you call Zope 5, maybe not.
That would sound good to me!!!
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> the way we've been going then?
+1, I totally agree.
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> and __name__? (Either yes or no is fine, but "maybe" or "sometimes" is
> a lot harder to interpret.)
I agree.
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e proposals or implement existing ones. We
cannot just neglect our own process, otherwise its worth nothing.
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On Wednesday 01 March 2006 04:02, Chris Withers wrote:
> Does this help with implementing persistent schemas at all?
Yes, maybe, Jim? It also helps me with the WebDev stuff.
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gh. There are some really
obvious benefits from having persistent schemas.
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e, content)
>
> But I might miss something there as a noob.
This is correct; please file a bug report.
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On Tuesday 28 February 2006 06:51, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> I think we can just carry on this message.
I could not agree more. I have nothing to add at this point.
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nts better. I think by finding a good packaging solution and
staying the path of reducing zope.app we will achieve what you want. :-)
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> to understand the ideas behind Five, but I don't see the need for a
> change of direction.
A strong +1.
Wow, I agree with Martijn for three posts in a row; that has not happened for
a long time. :-)
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versions "2" ="Stable" and
> "3"="Development".
>
> That's okay now, because it's more or less true.
What are you talking about? Zope 3 is very stable and it is used in production
on several sites.
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support.
If I understand his improved implementation correctly, then it is very, very
cool!
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ne.
We also just started to position the Zope 3 name and software correctly in
the market and now we are going to confuse people again. That is just plain
stupid^M^M^M^M^M^Msilly.
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I don't know what that is, of course. :-) I think talking to Michael is the
better choice here. :-)
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On Wednesday 01 March 2006 09:32, Sidnei da Silva wrote:
> What you think about turning those into functional doctests?
Of course a very, very big +1. :-)
Though I woul split them up, so that we can only test features that we know we
have implemented.
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You ran it already?
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technical details of this vision.
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on instead of waiting for something to happen.
> Can you explain the current vision? Can you explain the current roadmap?
> Do you think we all agree on what it is?
I thought we did. Maybe I was wrong?
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On Thursday 02 March 2006 10:29, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
> Geoff Davis wrote:
> > I think that the idea of giving Zed its own, distinct identity is great.
>
> I think it is stupid.
Me too!!
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ved form:
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I have already received several private comments expressing concern about the
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tep is to understand our audiences well and then
build a roadmap/vision based on our understanding. I'll note that a
roadmap/vision is *not* a promise, but something that we want to work
towards. Of course, the roadmap should also take resources and interests into
account.
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little bit better than J2EE, but not
much. I also think that the priorities the narrator sets are real ones
representing a lot of people. So let's discuss this movie a little bit and
see how we could do well in his evaluation.
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> and only applicable to small configuration files).
Mmh, we already have a configuration framework, zope.configuration. Maybe we
should just utilize it or is it not flexible enough? I don't know.
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into a real Python package.
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heckin messages come through).
Additionally I am subscribed to zope, zope-dev, zope-checkins and zope3-users,
but those I would not consider to be required at all.
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ventNotify, which in turn sends out
another subscription request for (obj, event). And you probably have a
subscriber for the latter. The easy way to test this would be to manually
write:
>>> yourHandler(event.object, event)
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much! :-)
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at the {g,s}etBar methods hang around
in the class for no reason. Benji's example avoided this.
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python path??
Yes, this is one use case Phillip removed.
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On Friday 10 March 2006 07:22, Florian Lindner wrote:
> Am Freitag, 10. März 2006 12:45 schrieb Stephan Richter:
> > On Friday 10 March 2006 05:55, Florian Lindner wrote:
> > > layer = centershock does not seem to work anymore (for what is name
> > > attribute
t__
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it provides.
> Perhaps we should make explicit which ZCML we want to have, as its
> design can be quite different depending on that choice.
Yes, I think this would be a good idea.
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also used hierarchical schema trees in the principal settings code, where you
hook in dynamically new schemas.
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nch, since you get the warnings
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from the former ICU project, I think it is now called OpenI18n.
Unfortunately they changed the format *again* (groan), so that updating is
not just a matter of updating the data.
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that indirection and abstraction
> have an inherent cost and use them when the benefit doesn't outweigh the
> cost.
He he. :-) Was this a Jim brain teaser? :-)
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any less deprecation warnings.
Because here they would be only report the warning once for all getView
calls, while the import approach reports every call.
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tes.
I am waiting for the adapter work to be done to write a proposal for something
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> Are people interested in developing a plan to tackle these issues? If
> some of us chip in we may get somewhere.
Gary has already begun the work of a widget replacement. Talk to him, he has
some good ideas.
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nality without restarting the server. Or at least this is one required
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ther story.
If is moved out than what's the point of having a class directive
in the first place. Heck, what's the point of any complex (i.e. nesting)
directive? (This is a hypothetical question.)
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ing returned and thus the documentation is much less
useful. By setting the ``factory`` attribute to the object factory on the
function, apidoc will have the data it needs. This even works for nested
functions.
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ribe to that one rather than all the other ones.
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> Fun: 1.0
I think you should continue. :-)
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On Friday 03 March 2006 11:31, Shaun Cutts wrote:
> Is there any reason why zope.app.form.browser.widget.DisplayWidget doesn't
> implement zope.app.form.interfaces.IDisplayWidget, or is this a bug?
This would be a bug. Please report it to the collector. Thanks.
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leases, remove deprecated string value return and set
``asObject=True`` by default. Also deprecate the asObject argument again.
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the traceback, for example the line and file where
this happened. Also, the error raised is correct, though I agree it could be
more descriptive. So yes, you could add it to the collector or just fix it
yourself. But I think it is a hard bug/misfeature to
teresting to a lot of people.
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> Sources was hard.
I had the same experience. ;-\ I am still using vocabularies, since they fit
my brain just right and I know how they work.
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On Monday 20 March 2006 10:47, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
> Stephan Richter wrote:
> >>>I am -1 on moving out of the class directive. I am
> >>> impartial on the factory subdirective, since I never use it. I think
> >>> factories are failed ex
. For now, I'll remove it form the
> jim-adapter branch.
Objection. :-) WebDev uses it. I would appreciate if you leave it there for
now. We can absorb it into the webdev package if you wish.
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On Tuesday 21 March 2006 08:09, Andreas Elvers wrote:
> there is already a collector entry for the bug below, but I think the
> ChoiceField has the same issue.
Could you make a comment on the reported bug that this is true for the choice
field as well? Thanks!
Regards,
Stephan
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oduct would be better and more flexible approach, in
> this case we can select better available underlying adapter at setup-time
> or/and at run-time.
>
> By the way, what do you think about the idea of add DB-API2 compliant
> exception hierarchy to 'zope.app.rdb'? Adapters w
e.app.container.
> We don't need to deal with them at the same time. We can do them one by
> one. We also don't need to complete this for Zope 3.3/2.10, but it would
> be nice if we can get in place as much as possible.
Of course. BTW, SchoolTool would also benefit from this.
k after the merge. If you find
> problems, put them in the collector and we'll fix them as soon as
> we can.
I will start testing the stuff right away. You will probably get reports
during the day.
Regards,
Stephan
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Stephan Richter
CBU Physics & Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics
the feasibility of JSR 168 compliance, then this could be a
decent S-C project. But I am not as thrilled about it, since it involves a
standard. ;-)
That's it! Let me know, if you can think of any tasks that would bring us all
forward.
Regards,
Stephan
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Stephan Richter
CBU Physics &
other places. To reproduce the
problem, check out the beta 1 tag and follow step 5 and 7 in the
aforementioned document.
Could someone please check out those issues and try to fix them? I am at a
loss of what to do.
Regards,
Stephan
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Stephan Richter
CBU Physics & Chemistry (B.S.) / T
Hello everyone,
The Zope 3 development team is proud to announce Zope 3.3.0 beta 1.
Zope 3 is the next major Zope release and has been written from scratch based
on the latest software design patterns and the experiences of Zope 2.
Cleanup of the Zope 3 packages has continued to ensure a flexibl
ces to write migration guides or new
feature how-tos. I hope that someone (thinking specifically of Jeff Shell
here) will blog on the new features and changes. :-)
Regards,
Stephan
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Stephan Richter
CBU Physics & Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student)
Web2k - Web Software Design, Devel
usses some of the optimization options we talked of before.
If accepted I would work on this and the result would be, naturally, in the
next Zope 3 and 2 release.
Regards,
Stephan
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Stephan Richter
CBU Physics & Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student)
Web2k - Web Software Design, Deve
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