[Zope] znolk wizard

2009-04-02 Thread garry
Does anybody have a recent-ish copy of Znolk wizard product or know where I could get hold of a copy. The original source no longer has it and the one on the zope.org site is very old. In particular I would like it to function with SQLite. Regards Garry

Re: [Zope] dtml-in

2009-04-02 Thread Bobby
that works, thanks. --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: From: Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com Subject: Re: [Zope] dtml-in To: cybercruis...@yahoo.com Cc: zope@zope.org Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:56 PM -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 5:20

[Zope] Freelancing fees

2009-04-02 Thread Pablo Ziliani
Hi guys, I've been working for the same Zope or Django projects for virtually 5 years now, but recently, the circumstances and I reached an agreement concluding that it's time to start looking at freelancing. In consequence I need to set an hourly fee rate for the team. So, I'm running a

Re: [Zope] Overriding DateTime

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Tim Knapp wrote: Thanks. One thing, though, it appears that testfixtures requires python 2.5 as it tries to import functools that was introduced in python 2.5. /me carries on trying to get it going :) Indeed, guess you'll have to go for Zope 2.12 :-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content

Re: [Zope] Overriding DateTime

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Dieter Maurer wrote: Be aware, however, that this replacing takes effect only after your assignment. Modules that already have imported the DateTime class will not be affected. Yes, but you can replace them in the same way... Just make sure you wrap in a try/finally so you un-replace no

Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
robert rottermann wrote: thedag...@gmail.com schrieb: make that: LocalFS hasn't been updated since 2006. it still works fine, there is only a line you have to change in its code where it pulls in security from cmf to some other cmf module. when starting up cmf tells you what is wrong. so

Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Tim Nash wrote: Or you can install plone and know that it has been well tested, it is well maintained Ho ho ho... surely you jest?! Look, you can do it anyway you want but if you want to imply that my suggestion to use Plone is 'insane' you need to come up with a better alternative

Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Tim Nash wrote: Installing Plone in such a case is only the solution if one has no better idea about doing things *sigh* ...and people wonder why the zope community is dying. That Zope community moved off and became the Plone community long ago. I'd argue that anyone starting a new

Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: It basically about looking left and right and choosing the right tool for a problem. Installing Plone for your usecase is totally inadequate. It's like driving with a tank to the supermarket around the corner for buying a banana. ...a tank with some wheels missing, a hatch

[Zope] RIP Zope 2!

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Tim Nash wrote: No your response and Jens response are totally inappropriate. We will never rebuild this community if all our posts are greeted with personal attacks. *This* community is dead, get over it and move on. Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting

Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Tim Nash wrote: If you are going to ignore my arguments about Plone being well tested, it isn't. easy to install it isn't. and having a better upgrade path than a customized solution like patching localFS, it doesn't. deal with it. For whatever the OP is likely to want to do, he's

Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Dieter Maurer wrote: SkinnedFolder (at least if you mean http://www.handshake.de/~dieter/pyprojects/zope/index.html#bct_sec_4.7;) makes CMFCore's SkinsTool available (without the need to use CMFDefault or portal objects). That might involve getting support from you though, Dieter, and that's

[Zope] LocalFS unsupported and doesn't work without patching...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Dieter Maurer wrote: I am very happy about stable packages because I often extend them. For example, I have extended LocalFS to allow configuration of its instances via environment variables. This allows us to synchronize our ZODBs in the test and development environments with the production

Re: [Zope] znolk wizard

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
ga...@schoolteachers.co.uk wrote: Does anybody have a recent-ish copy of Znolk wizard product or know where I could get hold of a copy. The original source no longer has it and the one on the zope.org site is very old. In particular I would like it to function with SQLite. Doesn't think

Re: [Zope] LocalFS unsupported and doesn't work without patching...

2009-04-02 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 20:24 +0100: Dieter Maurer wrote: I am very happy about stable packages because I often extend them. For example, I have extended LocalFS to allow configuration of its instances via environment variables. This allows us to synchronize our ZODBs in the test and

Re: [Zope] LocalFS unsupported and doesn't work without patching...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Dieter Maurer wrote: Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 20:24 +0100: Dieter Maurer wrote: I am very happy about stable packages because I often extend them. For example, I have extended LocalFS to allow configuration of its instances via environment variables. This allows us to synchronize our

Re: [Zope] LocalFS unsupported and doesn't work without patching...

2009-04-02 Thread Andrew Milton
+---[ Chris Withers ]-- | Dieter Maurer wrote: | Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 20:24 +0100: | Dieter Maurer wrote: | I am very happy about stable packages because I often extend them. | | For example, I have extended LocalFS to allow configuration of | its instances

Re: [Zope] LocalFS unsupported and doesn't work without patching...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andrew Milton wrote: | I am fine with the current situation (with respect to LocalFS, | not with respect to Zope)... | | Then you're part of the Zope problem ;-) As opposed to random deprecation and removal of interfaces that causes otherwise working code to break ? Heh, Zope 2 has

[Zope] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Remember this: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/04/01/parrot.htm Well, that lead to this: http://www.parrot.org/ One of the reasons I got suckered into replying was that I thought this might be the result of some stuff a few of us had talked about at the Zope BOF at PyCon. I actually think

Re: [Zope] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andrew Milton
+---[ Chris Withers ]-- | Remember this: | Seriously, how do people feel about this? You can do anything you want with your time... who are we to judge? d8) -- Andrew Milton a...@theinternet.com.au ___ Zope maillist -

Re: [Zope] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andrew Milton wrote: +---[ Chris Withers ]-- | Remember this: | Seriously, how do people feel about this? You can do anything you want with your time... who are we to judge? d8) Well, if there were no complaints I might do just that... Chris -- Simplistix -

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Chris Withers wrote: Remember this: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/04/01/parrot.htm Well, that lead to this: http://www.parrot.org/ One of the reasons I got suckered into replying was that I thought this might be the result of some stuff a few of us had

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: What Martijn has announced and is already being worked on extensively. - Zope A 4.0 What was to be Zope 2.12 - Zope B 4.0 Whatever the next pending release of the Zope 3 appserver stuff was to be. (Need to keep the Canonical and ZC guys happy afterall ;-) )

Re: [Zope] znolk wizard

2009-04-02 Thread garry
Quoting Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk: ga...@schoolteachers.co.uk wrote: Does anybody have a recent-ish copy of Znolk wizard product or know where I could get hold of a copy. The original source no longer has it and the one on the zope.org site is very old. In particular I would like

Re: [Zope] znolk wizard

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
ga...@schoolteachers.co.uk wrote: Yes it is old, but it is the only reliable thing I've found to rapidly generate database edit forms and csv up/download methods. You should really give Django a go for this sort of thing, from what I understand, it's one of its main sweetspots... Chris --

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 2, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: What Martijn has announced and is already being worked on extensively. - Zope A 4.0 What was to be Zope 2.12 - Zope B 4.0 Whatever the next pending release of the Zope 3 appserver stuff was to be. (Need to keep

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: We and canonical use the Zope Framework. We don't use an application. Zope (aka Zope 2) is an extensible application. We (ZC and Canonical and others) assemble components from the Zope Framework to build our own applications. Hmm, maybe I got this wrong, but Gary

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:17 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: I'd *really* like to see the majority of the current www.zope.org simply eradicated from existence. It's out of date and a source of nothing but confusion. Andrew others have been working on this

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: Andrew others have been working on this issue at the sprint. There is consensus that www.zope.org must be turned into landing page with some mission statement and then links to the related subprojects. The current zope.org site should be moved to old.zope.org (it must

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andrew Milton
+---[ Chris Withers ]-- | Jim Fulton wrote: | We and canonical use the Zope Framework. We don't use an | application. Zope (aka Zope 2) is an extensible application. We (ZC | and Canonical and others) assemble components from the Zope Framework | to build our

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andrew Milton wrote: | - mature | - stable | - maybe not the best choice for new development. ^ for you Indeed, but classic doesn't have any bad connotations as far as I'm concerned, and it'll need to keep living as long as Plone relies on it, which will be

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andrew Milton
+---[ Chris Withers ]-- | Andreas Jung wrote: | Andrew others have been working on this issue at the sprint. There is | consensus that www.zope.org must be turned into landing page with some | mission statement and then links to the related subprojects. The current |

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andrew Milton
+---[ Chris Withers ]-- | Andrew Milton wrote: | | - mature | | - stable | | - maybe not the best choice for new development. | ^ for you | | Indeed, but classic doesn't have any bad connotations as far as I'm | concerned, and it'll need to

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andrew Milton wrote: | Why does it need to keep living even at old.zope.org? Why do you care if it does? Because someone needs to look after the (rather large, ancient and crufty) zope instance in which it lives, and it keeps on tripping up innocent passers-by. I don't think many of these

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andrew Milton wrote: | Indeed, but classic doesn't have any bad connotations as far as I'm | concerned, and it'll need to keep living as long as Plone relies on it, | which will be forever... Plenty of people use it without plone. You might want to crawl out of the vacuum you live in.

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:29 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: Andrew others have been working on this issue at the sprint. There is consensus that www.zope.org must be turned into landing page with some mission statement and then links to the

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: Because we can't break existing download URL - neither to old Zope releases I'd imagine the full set of releases would appear on the respective parts of classic.zope.org or advanced.zope.org... nor to old product releases. I wonder how many of these are actually safe

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:37 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: Because we can't break existing download URL - neither to old Zope releases I'd imagine the full set of releases would appear on the respective parts of classic.zope.org or

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: I'd imagine the full set of releases would appear on the respective parts of classic.zope.org or advanced.zope.org... *shrug* I don't care if those releases on the new zope2.zope.org Please not zope2.zope.org, the insane version naming has *got* to stop... microsite or

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:45 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: I'd imagine the full set of releases would appear on the respective parts of classic.zope.org or advanced.zope.org... *shrug* I don't care if those releases on the new

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: We might discuss this unhurriedly. To sleep and being in vacation mood in order to discuss this now :-) At least the term 'classic' is a NO-GO for me. Why? Would you prefer 'a' or maybe 'old'? ;-) microsite or somewhere else. The point is that the release should remain

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:52 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: We might discuss this unhurriedly. To sleep and being in vacation mood in order to discuss this now :-) At least the term 'classic' is a NO-GO for me. Why? Would you prefer 'a'

Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andrew Milton
+---[ Chris Withers ]-- | Andrew Milton wrote: | | Indeed, but classic doesn't have any bad connotations as far as I'm | | concerned, and it'll need to keep living as long as Plone relies on it, | | which will be forever... | | Plenty of people use it without plone. You

Re: [Zope] RIP Zope 2!

2009-04-02 Thread Tim Nash
*This* community is dead, get over it and move on. Yeah, you are right. If you really think zope 3 (or 4) can stand on it's own, just rename zope 2 to 'plone base'. That will cut down on the confusion. But beware, unless you can make zope 4 more appealling to a wider group of casual

Re: [Zope] znolk wizard

2009-04-02 Thread robert rottermann
take collective.mercury this generates intterfaces from every table. with such an interface yaou need only a couple of lines to build an edit form for every table. somethings like: class DeclarationKLView(formbase.PageForm): form_fields = form.Fields(ItblDeclaration_klTable) ignoreContext

Re: [Zope-dev] WSGI access log user info howto?

2009-04-02 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Alex Betreff: Re: WSGI access log user info howto? A branch containing this refactoring named 'achapman__username_logging now exists in the zope.app.wsgi directory. I'll be merging it today and tagging a release if it appears acceptable. This looks good to me. Can you add a test

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.annotation/trunk/setup.py Whitespace fixes

2009-04-02 Thread Michael Howitz
Am 01.04.2009 um 23:44 schrieb Jacob Holm: Hi Baiju If this whitespace fix is based on the current style guide, I think the guide needs to be fixed. I find the fixed version much less readable. A function that takes this many arguments should have an exception to the PEP 8 rule of

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.annotation/trunk/setup.py Whitespace fixes

2009-04-02 Thread Jacob Holm
Michael Howitz wrote: Am 01.04.2009 um 23:44 schrieb Jacob Holm: Hi Baiju If this whitespace fix is based on the current style guide, I think the guide needs to be fixed. I find the fixed version much less readable. A function that takes this many arguments should have an exception to the

[Zope-dev] zope.testing.runner: protecting against rogue threads

2009-04-02 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, if tests spawn non-daemon threads, then the test runner can get stuck. The easiest way that I see is to always --exit-with-status and to make --exist-with-status also call sys.exit() when the tests passed. Any objections? Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co.

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.testing.runner: protecting against rogue threads

2009-04-02 Thread Christian Theune
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 13:30 +0200, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, if tests spawn non-daemon threads, then the test runner can get stuck. The easiest way that I see is to always --exit-with-status and to make --exist-with-status also call sys.exit() when the tests passed. Any objections? I

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.annotation/trunk/setup.py Whitespace fixes

2009-04-02 Thread Zvezdan Petkovic
On Apr 1, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Jacob Holm wrote: If this whitespace fix is based on the current style guide, I think the guide needs to be fixed. I find the fixed version much less readable. A function that takes this many arguments should have an exception to the PEP 8 rule of no

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.annotation/trunk/setup.py Whitespace fixes

2009-04-02 Thread Benji York
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Zvezdan Petkovic zvez...@zope.com wrote: This would be more consistent, is sorted, and ensures easy addition/ removal of each line including the first, and the last line in the lists.     install_requires=[         'setuptools',         'zope.component',    

Re: [Zope-dev] Two small convenience suggestions for zope.interface and zope.component

2009-04-02 Thread Lennart Regebro
2009/4/1 Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as: I now also wonder if adapter()/implementer() would work when called with classes rather than functions...? Yes, in 2.6 and 3.0. Not with the current trunk of zope.interfaces, though, but in the future, sure. -- Lennart Regebro: Pythonista, Barista,

Re: [Zope-dev] Two small convenience suggestions for zope.interface and zope.component

2009-04-02 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:25, Chris Rossi ch...@archimedeanco.com wrote: Additionally, if I was grokking Lennart correctly yesterday, __metaclass__ is going away, so the current metaclass implementation is going to need some rejiggering.  What was unclear was whether a single implementation

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.annotation/trunk/setup.py Whitespace fixes

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 1, 2009, at 5:44 PM, Jacob Holm wrote: If this whitespace fix is based on the current style guide, I think so. I think the guide needs to be fixed. Me too, but I don't think it will happen. :( I find the fixed version much less readable. A function that takes this many arguments

Re: [Zope-dev] SVN: zope.traversing/trunk/ zcml now only depends on zope.component meta, not zope.app.component

2009-04-02 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gary Poster wrote: Log message for revision 98787: zcml now only depends on zope.component meta, not zope.app.component Changed: U zope.traversing/trunk/CHANGES.txt U zope.traversing/trunk/src/zope/traversing/configure.zcml A

[Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Hey All, I got bitten by the current zope subversion setup at PyCon so thought I'd mail the appropriate groups about it. If this has been covered elsewhere and I've missed anything, please just point me in the right direction... So, svn.zope.org causes me pain at the moment: - it uses the

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZF] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 20:31, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http basic auth for access with more people having access to update the passwd file and maybe Trac or WebSVN for a nice web interface. I volunteer to help

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote: For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http basic auth for access with more people having access to update the passwd file and maybe Trac or WebSVN for a nice web interface. I absolutely *hate* using https to access

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZF] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 20:39, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote: For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http basic auth for access with more people having access to update the passwd file and maybe Trac or WebSVN for a

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 20:39 Uhr, Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote: For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http basic auth for access with more people having access to update the passwd file and

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Jacob Holm
Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote: For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http basic auth for access with more people having access to update the passwd file and maybe Trac or WebSVN for a nice web interface. I absolutely

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZF] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 20:44 Uhr, Andreas Jung wrote: On 02.04.2009 20:39 Uhr, Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote: For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http basic auth for access with more people

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Chris Withers wrote: This involves storing a key in plane text in my home directory, which is terrible. How do you not have the same thing with ssh? ssh keys are pass-phrase protected and ssh-agent allows me to enter the pass phrase once in a session. Jim --

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote: For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http basic auth for access with more people having access to update the passwd file and maybe Trac or WebSVN for a nice web interface. I absolutely *hate*

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZF] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jung wrote: On 02.04.2009 20:44 Uhr, Andreas Jung wrote: On 02.04.2009 20:39 Uhr, Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote: For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http basic auth for

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.testing.runner: protecting against rogue threads

2009-04-02 Thread Dieter Maurer
Christian Theune wrote at 2009-4-2 13:30 +0200: if tests spawn non-daemon threads, then the test runner can get stuck. The easiest way that I see is to always --exit-with-status and to make --exist-with-status also call sys.exit() when the tests passed. I do not understand the implication. Do

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZF] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Tres Seaver wrote: Possibly because I am using SVN 1.6. Then never means since 2009-03-20. Or else you have never done a checkout from a password-protected SVN-over-HTTP(S) server. It's been encrypted on Windows for longer than that... (svn 1.4...) Chris -- Simplistix - Content

Re: [Zope-dev] [Fwd: [Bug 343079] [NEW] Broken distribution (2009-03-15)]

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Tres Seaver wrote: Chris Withers wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I mean an index which supplies the 'simple' PyPI interface, such that we could tell people to 'easy_install' from it, e.g.: $ /path/to/bin/easy_install -i http://kgs.zope.org/Zope2/2.1.2 But how

Re: [Zope-dev] setting missing minimum version in setup.py

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Are there other Python projects that have to deal with such a huge amount of packages and dependencies? I don't know any similar project. So the solution must come from the Zope world (which does not mean that we participate in the packaging toolchain development as

Re: [Zope-dev] setting missing minimum version in setup.py

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Roger Ineichen wrote: Probably a way to go is to make both concept compatible with each other. Which probably means we should be able to ignore versions in packages if a KGS concept get used? (not sure if this is possible) NO! This is INSANE! The version requirements in a package should be

Re: [Zope-dev] setting missing minimum version in setup.py

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Martijn Faassen wrote: KGS is two things: * KGS the software * KGS the concept KGS the concept will have a life outside of the Zope world. I stand by my predication that even the KGS concept will never make it beyond Zope... KGS the concept is very easy to implement; you just make

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Dieter Maurer
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 19:44 +0100: ... I prefer using password-protected (as opposed to key-protected) https. What do other people prefer? I am fine with the ssh access. True, the initial setup was a bit difficult (the key program did not like the . in d.maurer -- but forgot to tell

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Dieter Maurer wrote: I would not like to enter my password every time I call svn. If this can be arranged, I am content. It can, and with svn 1.6 it's even secure :-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jacob Holm wrote at 2009-4-2 20:44 +0200: ... For write access I completely agree. For read-only unauthenticated access it would be nice to be able to use http(s). It may be possible to have it all at the same time. I have been told that there are mirrors of the Zope SVN repository providing

[Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Remember this: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/04/01/parrot.htm Well, that lead to this: http://www.parrot.org/ One of the reasons I got suckered into replying was that I thought this might be the result of some stuff a few of us had talked about at the Zope BOF at PyCon. I actually think

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Dieter Maurer wrote: I have been told that there are mirrors of the Zope SVN repository providing read access via http. Shame none of them is advertised anywhere... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZF] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 21:58 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: Dieter Maurer wrote: I have been told that there are mirrors of the Zope SVN repository providing read access via http. Shame none of them is advertised anywhere... http://svn.zope.de - -aj

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andrew Milton wrote: +---[ Chris Withers ]-- | Remember this: | Seriously, how do people feel about this? You can do anything you want with your time... who are we to judge? d8) Well, if there were no complaints I might do just that... Chris -- Simplistix -

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZF] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Carsten Senger
Martijn Pieters schrieb: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 20:31, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote: For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http basic auth for access with more people having access to update the passwd file and maybe Trac or WebSVN for a nice web

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Chris Withers wrote: Remember this: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/04/01/parrot.htm Well, that lead to this: http://www.parrot.org/ One of the reasons I got suckered into replying was that I thought this might be the result of some stuff a few of us had

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: What Martijn has announced and is already being worked on extensively. - Zope A 4.0 What was to be Zope 2.12 - Zope B 4.0 Whatever the next pending release of the Zope 3 appserver stuff was to be. (Need to keep the Canonical and ZC guys happy afterall ;-) )

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 2, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: What Martijn has announced and is already being worked on extensively. - Zope A 4.0 What was to be Zope 2.12 - Zope B 4.0 Whatever the next pending release of the Zope 3 appserver stuff was to be. (Need to keep

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Jim Fulton wrote: We and canonical use the Zope Framework. We don't use an application. Zope (aka Zope 2) is an extensible application. We (ZC and Canonical and others) assemble components from the Zope Framework to build our own applications. Hmm, maybe I got this wrong, but Gary

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:17 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: I'd *really* like to see the majority of the current www.zope.org simply eradicated from existence. It's out of date and a source of nothing but confusion. Andrew others have been working on this

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: Andrew others have been working on this issue at the sprint. There is consensus that www.zope.org must be turned into landing page with some mission statement and then links to the related subprojects. The current zope.org site should be moved to old.zope.org (it must

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andrew Milton wrote: | - mature | - stable | - maybe not the best choice for new development. ^ for you Indeed, but classic doesn't have any bad connotations as far as I'm concerned, and it'll need to keep living as long as Plone relies on it, which will be

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andrew Milton wrote: | Why does it need to keep living even at old.zope.org? Why do you care if it does? Because someone needs to look after the (rather large, ancient and crufty) zope instance in which it lives, and it keeps on tripping up innocent passers-by. I don't think many of these

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andrew Milton wrote: | Indeed, but classic doesn't have any bad connotations as far as I'm | concerned, and it'll need to keep living as long as Plone relies on it, | which will be forever... Plenty of people use it without plone. You might want to crawl out of the vacuum you live in.

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:29 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: Andrew others have been working on this issue at the sprint. There is consensus that www.zope.org must be turned into landing page with some mission statement and then links to the

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: Because we can't break existing download URL - neither to old Zope releases I'd imagine the full set of releases would appear on the respective parts of classic.zope.org or advanced.zope.org... nor to old product releases. I wonder how many of these are actually safe

Re: [Zope-dev] [Fwd: [Bug 343079] [NEW] Broken distribution (2009-03-15)]

2009-04-02 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Withers wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: Chris Withers wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I mean an index which supplies the 'simple' PyPI interface, such that we could tell people to 'easy_install' from it, e.g.: $

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: I'd imagine the full set of releases would appear on the respective parts of classic.zope.org or advanced.zope.org... *shrug* I don't care if those releases on the new zope2.zope.org Please not zope2.zope.org, the insane version naming has *got* to stop... microsite or

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:45 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: I'd imagine the full set of releases would appear on the respective parts of classic.zope.org or advanced.zope.org... *shrug* I don't care if those releases on the new

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: We might discuss this unhurriedly. To sleep and being in vacation mood in order to discuss this now :-) At least the term 'classic' is a NO-GO for me. Why? Would you prefer 'a' or maybe 'old'? ;-) microsite or somewhere else. The point is that the release should remain

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZF] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 First, this cross-post was inappropriate: it is a matter for general discussion among Zope committers, which is not a matter for the Foundation to act on unless / until some consensus for changing the status quo emerges. This will be my last post to

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:52 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: We might discuss this unhurriedly. To sleep and being in vacation mood in order to discuss this now :-) At least the term 'classic' is a NO-GO for me. Why? Would you prefer 'a'

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZF] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 2, 2009, at 22:53 , Tres Seaver wrote: +1 to making svn-over-http read-only checkouts work. This is now working. The repository can be reached under... http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/ jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZF] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Christian Theune
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 20:43 +0200, Martijn Pieters wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 20:39, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote: On Apr 2, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Chris Withers wrote: For me, the ideal would be simply https for everything and using http basic auth for access with more people having

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.annotation/trunk/setup.py Whitespace fixes

2009-04-02 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 11:44:03PM +0200, Jacob Holm wrote: If this whitespace fix is based on the current style guide, I think the guide needs to be fixed. I find the fixed version much less readable. A function that takes this many arguments should have an exception to the PEP 8 rule of

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