Dear Derek,

Such info is not available and it is therefore I am saying that for
the top 20 industrial countries, the population per accident is
probably the best. If you go beyond the top 20, the information
is definitely not correct. So we are back to agree that Andrew's
assumption when comparing US and Australia is quite valid.

Hakan


At 07:16 PM 4/27/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Dear Hakan,
>
>For the US, accidents per vehicle would not be valid, since many drivers own
>and operate two, three, or more vehicles. When I used to live and work in the
>US, I put around 30,000 miles/year on three vehicles. Wouldn't my risk of an
>accident, as a driver, have to based on my 30,000 miles/year of driving, not
>on a per vehicle basis? I think the more valid measure for comparison between
>countries would be the accidents/total miles driven by all drivers/year.
>
>Derek Hargis
> >
> > Martin,
> >
> > You are very right, the most common professional way to compare is
> > accidents per vehicles and/or distance driven. For those countries that
> > we have been talking about, it does not make a very large difference.
> > It would be very skewed if we started to include countries like India
> > or China, who would have very low death per population.
> >
> > I think that Kim touched very valid points, education, experience and
> > attitudes. It is also what the people who works with the issues are
> > saying. The European countries have 18 years old as limit for car
> > driving licence, 16 years for light motor bike and 15 years for moped.
> > The training, tests and exams are more extensive. Skidding training
> > are mandatory and certificate is necessary for drivers licence.
> >
> > Germany have much better statistics than US, that is a fact. I can
> > understand your sister, you must be very disciplined to drive on
> > German autobahn. Having higher normal speeds, with many who
> > drives at 100-130 miles per hour is scary, but they are more predictable
> > and follow the rules. I am more afraid on US highways, since the US
> > drivers are less predictable and less respect for rules.
> >
> > US is among the leaders on accidents and fatalities what ever way
> > you look at the numbers. US is also leader on murder rates, largely
> > because of the gun laws. This is part of the constitutional rights, 
> freedom,
> > corporate interests and the right to do business. If you change it, you
> > will end up with a suppressed society, like all other countries in the
> > world. I do not understand why the terrorists want to kill a few people,
> > when the Americans are so good in doing it themselves. Look only
> > at president Bush and the watering down of taken pollution decisions,
> > it will prematurely kill more people than many of the bad guys in other
> > countries have done. This is a well researched fact.
> >
> > With all the people that are prepared to twist and hide realities, after
> > all it is all a conspiracy to "bash the Americans", it is hard to defend
> > common sense. Intelligence and common sense is the arch enemies
> > of corporate America and the "American way of life". I am not on a
> > crusade for saving American lives, only to beg them to save some
> > energy resources for developing the rest of the world.
> >
> > Hakan
> >
> > At 01:50 AM 4/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > >I hear about massive accidents on the German autobahn all the time. I
> > >remember my sister telling me how she was so scared because everyone
> > >drove extremely fast.
> > >You can't just compare x deaths out of n people. Like any statistic it
> > >depends on everything else remotely related to it.
> > >
> > >Hakan Falk wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Germany have less than Australia and have more intersecting
> > > >highways, higher density and in many highways no speed limit.
> > > >
> > > >Sweden and Switzerland have around 1 death per 85,000 or nearly
> > > >1/9 of US.
> > > >
> > > >Hakan
> > > >



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