keep in mind, thanks to Sam Jackson, we have a script re-write. I would be
amazed if they went WILDLY away from what was written, but the leaked script
is no longer valid.

I am attempting to stay away from true story lines as i would like to be as
suprised as possible with the story when i see the film, but speculation is
all about the fun!!!

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Luke <[email protected]> wrote:

> Fair enough.  I often come across online as more dickish than I
> intend.
>
> Hence I would like to get this thread back on track to the Avengers
> and not Firefly/Serenity.  Clearly that is a sore spot for me.
>
> So is the rumor still that Loki is using the Skrulls somehow?  Along
> with the Infinity Gauntlet and/or the Cosmic Cube?
>
> On Jul 19, 12:58 pm, Jason Service <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Just attempting to keep up with your level of dickishness.
> >
> >
> >
>  > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Luke <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Sorry for steering this thread towards how bad Firefly and Serenity
> > > were.
> >
> > > Jason, I was going to agree with you regarding Whedon and the outcome
> > > of The Avengers, but since you're insulting me by saying I need "spoon
> > > feeding" you can go pound salt.
> >
> > > Ron, I think you are dead-on about the Hulk effects not being ready to
> > > show off, especially considering the sharp backlash from the fans when
> > > the unfinished ILM CGI Hulk was shown in trailers for Ang Lee's Hulk.
> > > I am willing to bet that Marvel wants Hulk to really "WOW" audiences
> > > when he shows up on the big screen in Avengers.
> >
> > > Considering the less than stellar performance of Thor (as compared to
> > > IM and IM2), I am curious to see what both Captain America and then
> > > Avengers will do fiscally.  (Without looking up numbers I am pretty
> > > sure that Incredible Hulk did about the same as Thor.)  Will Avengers
> > > be seen as the third Iron Man film, putting projections in the $300m+
> > > range, or as the followup to Thor and such, putting it in the $170m
> > > range?
> >
> > > On Jul 19, 12:36 pm, Cary Preston <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > I wasn't a Firefly fan but I thought the movie was ok. Came across as
> a
> > > long TV show with better production values, but still watchable.
> >
> > > > On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:32 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > In geek culture, "known fact" does equal "desperate (fill in the
> blank)
> > > wish". And I'd bet most on this listserve 'know' that Serenity was
> awesome
> > > and that those that disagree are just wrong :)
> >
> > > > > ~Ron
> >
> > > > > Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
> >
> > > > > -----Original message-----
> > >  > > From: Luke <[email protected]>
> > > > > To: The Unique Geek <[email protected]>
> > > > > Sent: Tue, Jul 19, 2011 13:10:22 GMT+00:00
> > > > > Subject: [The Unique Geek] Re: Avengers!
> >
> > > > > "Known fact?" You mean "desperate nerd wish?"
> >
> > > > > I watched the show. It made my eyes hurt. Didn't help that, as I
> > > > > said in another thread yesterday, that it's a banal ripoff of
> Outlaw
> > > > > Star. And again, I'm not otaku so that's not just a typical
> Asiaphile
> > > > > argument.
> >
> > > > > Fact: The only feature film which Joss Whedon has directed made ~
> > > > > $25m. Thus he has NO track record for being a successful film
> > > > > director. Hence my concern for the Avengers film.
> >
> > > > > In any event, after seeing Thor this past weekend (discount
> theater) I
> > > > > am very excited to see him and Iron Man interact on screen.
> Nevermind
> > > > > Cap!
> >
> > > > > On Jul 19, 9:04 am, Edward Crosby wrote:
> > > > > > That is your opinion, that Serenity and Firefly was a "dog of a
> show"
> > > when
> > > > > > it is a known fact that it was actually quite fantastic.
> > > > > > But, that is one of many things we accept here at TUG is that it
> is
> > > okay for
> > > > > > an opinion to be wrong. It's called diversity.
> >
> > > > > > ----------------------------------------
> > > > > > Have a Better One,
> > > > > > Edward Crosbyhttp://about.me/edwardcrosby
> >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Luke wrote:
> > > > > > > No, I'm not wrong.  You're wrong.  That movie was a dog, and a
> > > > > > > rightful fiscal failure.  Firefly was a dog of a show and the
> movie
> > > > > > > version was incomprehensible to anyone who was not a devotee of
> the
> > > > > > > show.
> >
> > > > > > > Whedon has not proven himself to be successful in feature
> films.
> > >  The
> > > > > > > fact of the matter is that his only feature film was a bomb.
>  And
> > > > > > > hopefully he will not apply his filter of crumminess which
> defined
> > > his
> > > > > > > television shows to The Avengers.
> >
> > > > > > > On Jul 19, 8:00 am, Edward Crosby wrote:
> > > > > > > > No it wasn't. You're wrong. It was a great, fun, and very
> > > entertaining
> > > > > > > > movie. Especially for the Firefly fans. There were only two
> bad
> > > parts of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > entire film - SPOILER ALERT - when Shepherd and Wash died.
> > > > > > > > Although I am not much of a Marvel fan, I am looking forward
> to
> > > this. I
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > hoping to see The Hulk in this. He's not in any of the clips.
> > > Wasn't he
> > > > > > > > supposed to be in the movie? IMDB.com has credits to Mark
> Ruffalo
> > > as puny
> > > > > > > > Banner (I remember the rumors of this) and Lou Ferrigno as
> the
> > > voice.
> >
> > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > Have a Better One,
> > > > > > > > Edward Crosbyhttp://about.me/edwardcrosby
> >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Luke wrote:
> > > > > > > > > "You've got a mean swing."  Nice.  I hope that we can see
> some
> > > of Thor
> > > > > > > > > And Iron Man Are Friends like we saw in the early 100s of
> > > Avengers.
> >
> > > > > > > > > I too am very excited for this project but with the huge
> caveat
> > > that I
> > > > > > > > > hope to all the gods of the Marvel pantheon that Joss
> Whedon
> > > doesn't
> > > > > > > > > Whedon all over it and ruin it.  The only film he has ever
> > > directed
> > > > > > > > > (Serenity) was a mindless, hopeless, jumbled clusterbomb of
> a
> > > > > > > > > disaster.
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 19, 6:35 am, Cary Preston wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Very amped for this now.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:41 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > agreed.  That "some assembly required" tagline is
> awesome.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: shag
> > > > > > > > > > > To: theuniquegeek
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:39 pm
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [The Unique Geek] Avengers!
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Looks really good!
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Irredeemable Shag
> > > > > > > > > > >http://firestormfan.com
> > > > > > > > > > >http://onceuponageek.com
> > > > > > > > > > >http://twitter.com/firestormfan
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [The Unique Geek] Avengers!
> > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, July 19, 2011 12:01 am
> > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected]
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > who knows how long this will be up -
> >
> > >http://gizmodo.com/5822377/the-avengers-trailer-leaked-and-its-rad
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