The best Avengers villain is and always will be Ultron. 

On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Luke <[email protected]> wrote:

> I did not know about the rewrite.  Interesting.
> 
> I can't see introducing the Infinity Gauntlet on the heels of the
> Cosmic Cube/Tesseract (as it is called in Captain America,
> apparently).  One super artifact should be enough.
> 
> I could see using the Skrulls, I guess.  I never really liked them.
> But I can see a movie where Nick Fury has the Avengers work together
> because SHIELD has found out that high ranking officials are being
> replaced with Skrulls with the intent of obtaining the Cube in order
> to openly invade the Earth.  Skrulls just don't seem like a good foe
> for Thor.  Iron Man, alright, I can give you that.  Maybe they have
> super ray guns or something which can damage the armor.  But Skrulls
> can't stand up to Thor, especially as he was portrayed in the movie.
> 
> I guess they're a better choice than the Space Phantom.
> 
> Honestly, my favorite Avengers villain is Kang and I know we won't get
> him.
> 
> On Jul 19, 1:06 pm, Jason Service <[email protected]> wrote:
>> keep in mind, thanks to Sam Jackson, we have a script re-write. I would be
>> amazed if they went WILDLY away from what was written, but the leaked script
>> is no longer valid.
>> 
>> I am attempting to stay away from true story lines as i would like to be as
>> suprised as possible with the story when i see the film, but speculation is
>> all about the fun!!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Luke <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Fair enough.  I often come across online as more dickish than I
>>> intend.
>> 
>>> Hence I would like to get this thread back on track to the Avengers
>>> and not Firefly/Serenity.  Clearly that is a sore spot for me.
>> 
>>> So is the rumor still that Loki is using the Skrulls somehow?  Along
>>> with the Infinity Gauntlet and/or the Cosmic Cube?
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 12:58 pm, Jason Service <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Just attempting to keep up with your level of dickishness.
>> 
>>>  > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Luke <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Sorry for steering this thread towards how bad Firefly and Serenity
>>>>> were.
>> 
>>>>> Jason, I was going to agree with you regarding Whedon and the outcome
>>>>> of The Avengers, but since you're insulting me by saying I need "spoon
>>>>> feeding" you can go pound salt.
>> 
>>>>> Ron, I think you are dead-on about the Hulk effects not being ready to
>>>>> show off, especially considering the sharp backlash from the fans when
>>>>> the unfinished ILM CGI Hulk was shown in trailers for Ang Lee's Hulk.
>>>>> I am willing to bet that Marvel wants Hulk to really "WOW" audiences
>>>>> when he shows up on the big screen in Avengers.
>> 
>>>>> Considering the less than stellar performance of Thor (as compared to
>>>>> IM and IM2), I am curious to see what both Captain America and then
>>>>> Avengers will do fiscally.  (Without looking up numbers I am pretty
>>>>> sure that Incredible Hulk did about the same as Thor.)  Will Avengers
>>>>> be seen as the third Iron Man film, putting projections in the $300m+
>>>>> range, or as the followup to Thor and such, putting it in the $170m
>>>>> range?
>> 
>>>>> On Jul 19, 12:36 pm, Cary Preston <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> I wasn't a Firefly fan but I thought the movie was ok. Came across as
>>> a
>>>>> long TV show with better production values, but still watchable.
>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:32 PM, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>> In geek culture, "known fact" does equal "desperate (fill in the
>>> blank)
>>>>> wish". And I'd bet most on this listserve 'know' that Serenity was
>>> awesome
>>>>> and that those that disagree are just wrong :)
>> 
>>>>>>> ~Ron
>> 
>>>>>>> Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original message-----
>>>>>  > > From: Luke <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> To: The Unique Geek <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, Jul 19, 2011 13:10:22 GMT+00:00
>>>>>>> Subject: [The Unique Geek] Re: Avengers!
>> 
>>>>>>> "Known fact?" You mean "desperate nerd wish?"
>> 
>>>>>>> I watched the show. It made my eyes hurt. Didn't help that, as I
>>>>>>> said in another thread yesterday, that it's a banal ripoff of
>>> Outlaw
>>>>>>> Star. And again, I'm not otaku so that's not just a typical
>>> Asiaphile
>>>>>>> argument.
>> 
>>>>>>> Fact: The only feature film which Joss Whedon has directed made ~
>>>>>>> $25m. Thus he has NO track record for being a successful film
>>>>>>> director. Hence my concern for the Avengers film.
>> 
>>>>>>> In any event, after seeing Thor this past weekend (discount
>>> theater) I
>>>>>>> am very excited to see him and Iron Man interact on screen.
>>> Nevermind
>>>>>>> Cap!
>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 9:04 am, Edward Crosby wrote:
>>>>>>>> That is your opinion, that Serenity and Firefly was a "dog of a
>>> show"
>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> it is a known fact that it was actually quite fantastic.
>>>>>>>> But, that is one of many things we accept here at TUG is that it
>>> is
>>>>> okay for
>>>>>>>> an opinion to be wrong. It's called diversity.
>> 
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> Have a Better One,
>>>>>>>> Edward Crosbyhttp://about.me/edwardcrosby
>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Luke wrote:
>>>>>>>>> No, I'm not wrong.  You're wrong.  That movie was a dog, and a
>>>>>>>>> rightful fiscal failure.  Firefly was a dog of a show and the
>>> movie
>>>>>>>>> version was incomprehensible to anyone who was not a devotee of
>>> the
>>>>>>>>> show.
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Whedon has not proven himself to be successful in feature
>>> films.
>>>>>  The
>>>>>>>>> fact of the matter is that his only feature film was a bomb.
>>>  And
>>>>>>>>> hopefully he will not apply his filter of crumminess which
>>> defined
>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>> television shows to The Avengers.
>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:00 am, Edward Crosby wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> No it wasn't. You're wrong. It was a great, fun, and very
>>>>> entertaining
>>>>>>>>>> movie. Especially for the Firefly fans. There were only two
>>> bad
>>>>> parts of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> entire film - SPOILER ALERT - when Shepherd and Wash died.
>>>>>>>>>> Although I am not much of a Marvel fan, I am looking forward
>>> to
>>>>> this. I
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> hoping to see The Hulk in this. He's not in any of the clips.
>>>>> Wasn't he
>>>>>>>>>> supposed to be in the movie? IMDB.com has credits to Mark
>>> Ruffalo
>>>>> as puny
>>>>>>>>>> Banner (I remember the rumors of this) and Lou Ferrigno as
>>> the
>>>>> voice.
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Have a Better One,
>>>>>>>>>> Edward Crosbyhttp://about.me/edwardcrosby
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Luke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "You've got a mean swing."  Nice.  I hope that we can see
>>> some
>>>>> of Thor
>>>>>>>>>>> And Iron Man Are Friends like we saw in the early 100s of
>>>>> Avengers.
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I too am very excited for this project but with the huge
>>> caveat
>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>> hope to all the gods of the Marvel pantheon that Joss
>>> Whedon
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> Whedon all over it and ruin it.  The only film he has ever
>>>>> directed
>>>>>>>>>>> (Serenity) was a mindless, hopeless, jumbled clusterbomb of
>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> disaster.
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 6:35 am, Cary Preston wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Very amped for this now.
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:41 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> agreed.  That "some assembly required" tagline is
>>> awesome.
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: shag
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: theuniquegeek
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 6:39 pm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [The Unique Geek] Avengers!
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks really good!
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Irredeemable Shag
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://firestormfan.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://onceuponageek.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/firestormfan
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [The Unique Geek] Avengers!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, July 19, 2011 12:01 am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who knows how long this will be up -
>> 
>>>>> http://gizmodo.com/5822377/the-avengers-trailer-leaked-and-its-rad
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