H.S. wrote:
Barbara Duprey wrote:
Understood. But it looks from the outside as if the overall process is:
* When you are first setting up to follow this list, you subscribe
via your personal gmail account, but see no list traffic on that
The email traffic is just the same as if I were using my email to
read/post message to this email list. Using gmane in no way affects what
I get (or what I can post from) my email address. Gmane works in
parallel to my email, if you will.
So you see all the posts both in your email *and* in the newsgroup?
Ouch! No wonder you filter them into a different mailbox and
periodically empty it. Thanks for the info.
account (except maybe the confirmation email?). You also add the
newsgroup to your Gmane list of newsgroups to follow.
* You post to the newsgroup, initiating a thread or responding to a
newsgroup post.
* Gmane takes your post and sends a message via standard email
protocol to the list as "From" your gmail account, with the
"Sender" is identified as [email protected]. Apparently this email
generation is an internal process that doesn't involve gmail (as a
mail manager or server) at all. Right?
I think so.
* Our list server receives the email. At this point, something
(always? sometimes?) inhibits it from appending the unsubscribe
trailer prior to posting it. How -- by checking the "Sender"
header? Apparently AOL is similar.Why interfere with this trailer,
since most recipients are receiving the email by the normal process?
Maybe, but I don't know anything what happens regarding the trailer here.
* Messages are posted to the list. The list server generates emails
to the subscribed addresses, gmail and otherwise. Or does the list
server explicitly not send them to gmail (and similar) accounts?
That seems to require a coordination mechanism I wouldn't really
expect.
No, the list server sends messages the normal way. I think the list
server is oblivious to gmane's presence.
* If the emails are sent to your gmail account, Gmane apparently
intercepts and discards them without their being processed by the
gmail server at all, or perhaps gmail has a filter to discard them.
I don't think gmane touches any messages that go to the users' mail
boxes. I suppose it just *mirrors* the email list in a newsgroup format.
* Gmane apparently has its own subscription to the list and receives
a copy of the emails, since it creates only a single copy of the
message, stripping the unsubscribe trailer and creating a
newsgroup post for you and its other users of this newsgroup.
I do not know. Maybe it just reads the list itself to mirror it. The
list is public, after all.
Just retrieves from the archives? I hadn't thought of that, but it makes
sense.
* If you decide to stop following the list, you remove it from your
Gmane newsgroup list but do not unsubscribe your gmail account.
Does Gmane unsubscribe you? If not, and the list server is
actually sending messages to you, that would seem to be wasteful
of resources.
No, gmane has no control over unsubscription from the list. I don't
think Gmane has any control over subscription/unsubscription to/from
mailing lists. If one posts message via gmane (all can read via gmane
though) without first having subscribed via email, message do not make
it to the list.
I can understand why you subscribe your gmail account, so that your
posts don't go through the moderator. But it's confusing that apparently
I don't thin Gmane avoid the moderators in any way.
I don't think Gmane does, exactly -- but since your gmail account is on
the list of subscribers, the list server doesn't shunt your posts to a
moderator before they are posted to the list. I think if you did not
subscribe, they'd make it to the list eventually, unless Gmane knows
whether you have subscribed and doesn't send them to the list at all if
you haven't. That seems a bit unlikely, though.
Gmane users never personally unsubscribe their gmail accounts.
They do.
Well, maybe not all of them....
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