Larry Gusaas wrote:
On 2009/05/12 2:27 PM Barbara Duprey wrote:
* When you are first setting up to follow this list, you subscribe
via your personal gmail account, but see no list traffic on that
account (except maybe the confirmation email?). You also add the
newsgroup to your Gmane list of newsgroups to follow.
No. You add gmane.comp.openoffice.questions to the list of newgroups
you subscribe to in your newsreader. Anyone can read Gmane newsgroups.
No email is involved.
Hmmm. H.S. says he is explicitly subscribed, you are not. But both of
you send posts that are not routed through the moderator. Interesting.
It sounds as if the list server can key off of something else in the
header, like "Sender" maybe, not just the "From" address being in the
subscriber list. Thanks, I'm learning a lot from you! I know that
newsgroups don't involve email, but the list does, and it's those
transition points in sending and receiving posts that are confusing (at
least to me).
* You post to the newsgroup, initiating a thread or responding to a
newsgroup post.
The first time you post to a newsgroup, Gmane sends you an email for
confirmation to the email address you list in the account for Gmane
you set up on your newsreader.
* Gmane takes your post and sends a message via standard email
protocol to the list as "From" your gmail account, with the
"Sender" is identified as [email protected]. Apparently this email
generation is an internal process that doesn't involve gmail (as a
mail manager or server) at all. Right?
Right. It does not involve any email server. You can use any address,
not just a gmail address.
* Our list server receives the email. At this point, something
(always? sometimes?) inhibits it from appending the unsubscribe
trailer prior to posting it. How -- by checking the "Sender"
header? Apparently AOL is similar.Why interfere with this trailer,
since most recipients are receiving the email by the normal
process?
Does it? Is the trailer included in this post? I have no way of
checking. It seems to me that inserting the trailer is totally the
responsibility of this list server.
Yes, in this case it is. It just doesn't seem to be consistent. But I'll
have to pay more attention in the future to see if I can detect a pattern.
* Messages are posted to the list. The list server generates emails
to the subscribed addresses, gmail and otherwise. Or does the list
server explicitly not send them to gmail (and similar) accounts?
That seems to require a coordination mechanism I wouldn't really
expect.
The list sends them to all subscribed email addresses, including
gmail. I used to receive them at my gmail address before I
unsubscribed and switched to using Gmane. The list also sends all
messages to Gmane where anyone can read them either online or by using
a newsreader.
* If the emails are sent to your gmail account, Gmane apparently
intercepts and discards them without their being processed by the
gmail server at all, or perhaps gmail has a filter to discard them.
No emails are sent to my gmail account. Gmane does not intercept
anything.
* Gmane apparently has its own subscription to the list and receives
a copy of the emails, since it creates only a single copy of the
message, stripping the unsubscribe trailer and creating a
newsgroup post for you and its other users of this newsgroup.
Gmane receives a copy of all posts to this list.
Do you know what the mechanism is here? Does the list server know of
Gmane as a special case?
* If you decide to stop following the list, you remove it from your
Gmane newsgroup list but do not unsubscribe your gmail account.
Does Gmane unsubscribe you? If not, and the list server is
actually sending messages to you, that would seem to be wasteful
of resources.
There is nothing to unsubscribe. I would just delete
gmane.comp.openoffice.questions from the list of newsgroups I read.
Nothing is ever sent to me by the list server. I only get the messages
I choose to read in my newsgroup reader.
Apparently some people have explicitly subscribed, as well as using the
newsgroup, but as you've indicated, that is both unnecessary and
undesirable. Those people would have to explicitly unsubscribe, too.
I can understand why you subscribe your gmail account, so that your
posts don't go through the moderator. But it's confusing that
apparently Gmane users never personally unsubscribe their gmail
accounts.
We have never subscribe to the list from an email account, Gmail or
otherwise. If we posted directly to [email protected] our posts
would go through the moderator before being sent to the list.
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