VACList-Digest Friday, December 14, 2001 Issue 150
Today's Topics:
1. Re:
2. Another dangerous idea
3. Re: Polishing
4. Re: Polishing an Airstream
5. Re: Another dangerous idea
6. Re: Rally Time
7. Polishing VS Acid Etching
8. Re: Polishing an Airstream
9. Re: Polishing VS Acid Etching
10. Polishing an Airstream
11. Re: Polishing an Airstream
12. Feedback on Ford E150 Tow Vehicle
13. Re: Microwave oven
14. Re: Feedback on Ford E150 Tow Vehicle
15. Statue of Liberty Rally 2002
16. Polisher
17. Re: Feedback on Ford E150 Tow Vehicle
18. 72 Sovereign on ebay
19. Re: Polisher
20. Re: storage parking in SF Bay Area?
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Message Number: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:02:10 -0500
From: "Wayne A. Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
Message Number: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:20:54 -0500
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Water Leak
I have isolated what I hope is the last water leak in my ' 68 Tradewind.
It's coming in the top of the back window somehow and dripping down the
screen. Now that I've found it, how do I fix it? What is the repair for a '
68 window that leaks at the top hinge?
Thanks,
Jim Greene
Hi Jim,
If Its the hinge that leaks then its the seam between the hinge and the
glass.
You need to seal the ends of the window bar so that water does not seep
behind the glass. This can be done with any silicon or polyurethane clear
sealant. If you want a pic I can take one and send it!
If it leaks above the window it could be the rear roof hatch base is leaking
or there may be some missing rivets on top that you can't see from the
ground!
Good Luck
WAM
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Message Number: 2
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:34:04 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Another dangerous idea
I was tootling about and saw an Avion Truck camper for peanuts......
Is there a guru about these things out there ?
Will it fit on Darth Vader ?
Daisy
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Message Number: 3
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:12:22 -0700 (MST)
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Polishing
I hear you Toby. I planned to get a pound of rough grit and a 1/4 pound of
fine grit. Then do a panel or 2 rough and then wash and do fine grit with
the polisher. Then wipe it by hand with a good rag in very fine grit.
If it looks good fine. But your saying I need 4-6 pounds of rough and 2 of
fine. That's $400.00 worth of polish! If that is an accurate estimate Toby
I'm going to have to save my allowance money the wife gives me.
And the temerature here now is 30 F and so that is too cold I guess.
Thanks for your advice!
On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Toby Folwick wrote:
> here's what you're experience will be. I'm going to
> pretend to see into the future:
>
> o O (you will buy only one level of nuvite, and a
> rotary polisher of some sort. you will begin
>
> EITHER buy a cyclo, OR a random orbit polisher.
> (3200-3800 RPM seems to be the magic number) OR buy a
> drum buffer of some sort (Airmark is NOT the only
> place to get these.) THEN buy GOOD polish (2 or 3
> levels of (coarseness?))
--
Yours Truly,
- Karl F. Larsen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (505) 524-3303 -
http://www.zianet.com/k5di/
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Message Number: 4
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:32:45 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Polishing an Airstream
Hello All,
I polished a 30 footer, 120 hours the first time. That includes the stripping the
clear coat.
Ed
WBCCI 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler (just begging to be polished)
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Message Number: 5
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:57:07 -0500
From: Richard Hales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another dangerous idea
Daisy Welch wrote:
>
> I was tootling about and saw an Avion Truck camper for peanuts......
>
> Is there a guru about these things out there ?
>
> Will it fit on Darth Vader ?
>
> Daisy
>
>Hi Daisy and all: I purchased a 1967 c-10 Avion pickup camper in March this year. It
>has taken me till now to get it into useable condition. It has been a part time
>project, and still needs more work. Internet searches produced very little
>information.
Main things to look for include rotted floor just inside the door,
rotted wood in the "wings" (the areas that go over the top of the truck
box sides) and the fiberglass area that sets behind the trucks bumper.
Most everything else is just like our vintage Airstreams,
vents-windows-airconditioners-appliances, etc.
No problem putting it on my '98 chevy crew cab dually, which handles it
very nicely. Measurements will be needed to determine if it will fit on
"Darth".
Richard Hales
WBCCI #22886 VAC
'58 Overlander
'60 Pacer
'68 Safari
'67 Avion pickup camper
(partial list)
>
>
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Message Number: 6
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:49:55 -0800
From: Patrick Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rally Time
RJ,
Sorry it has taken me a bit to get back to you. Have been pretty sick,
. ................ but with good ole' antibiotic pills I'm thankfully doing much
better now.
The 2nd annual "Majestic Mt. Baker" rally will be held Thursday August 15th
through Sunday August 18th, 2002. The location will be the same as last year's
rally at the Deming Log Show Grounds near Bellingham, WA. This will again be a
joint rally of the Vintage Airstream Club and The Tin Can Tourists. Everyone had
a great time last year and this summer's rally should be even BETTER !!!
Advanced registerations are apprecriated and any suggestions for the rally are
most welcome. Please contact Pat Ewing (360) 966-4253 or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RJ, hope this is what you were looking for. If you need anything else please let
me know. Hope you & family have a great Christmas and New Years !!
Sincerely,
Pat
Webmaster wrote:
> OK Campers, it's time to think about next years Vintage Rallies. If you
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Message Number: 7
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 03:55:07 -0500
From: "john or cindy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Polishing VS Acid Etching
Hello Airstreamers
We love the way a mirror finish looks on a vintage trailer, but did they get
delivered from the factory "Polished"? We are not purists. For us a nice
restoration job does not have to be exactly or even remotely original.
We work on our varnished Chris Craft wood boat, have been doing it for a
great many years. We are tired of the amount of work it takes to make it
look beautiful, and keep it looking "Show quality" takes continual care and
concern during use. The boat was Cindy's grandmother's boat new in 54, We
are trying to get the next generation involved in the care of the family
boat.....If polishing is your thing, great. We love to admire all of them,
boats, trailers,cars, trucks, motorcycles, airplanes, etc...
I hope to restore our 1958 22' Caravanner to a nice clean user- friendly
condition. I'm thinking of cleaning the trailer (or having it done) by
chemical acid etching then a clear coat to preserve the finish. Any comments
or experience doing this?
John & Cindy
"If the women don't find you handsome,
they should at least find you handy"
(R. Green)
WBCCI 6034
1957 Overlander (listed for sale only on the VAC site)
1958 Caravanner
1973 Tradewind
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Message Number: 8
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:02:52 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Polishing an Airstream
Just a reminder for those new to the list .......... I have several
years of e-mail postings from the VAC list (and the Yahoo Airstream list)
archived on my website at http://www.tompatterson.com . There are a LOT of
postings dealing with polishing and clear coat removal, as well as other
subjects. There is also a site search engine to help you find them.
Currently, there are over 34,000 total pages on the web site.
-Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Renner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:17 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Polishing an Airstream
> Karl,
>
> One of the best articles on polishing I've seen is at
> http://www.vintageairstream.com/rr_polish1.html. There's another at
> http://www.zianet.com/rlashway/Polishing.html, and I'm certain there's
> several more out there somewhere.
>
> These two don't really address the removal of the clear coat top finish,
and
> I haven't been looking for information on its removal, as my Overlander
has
> none. But I do believe that it's removal should be done by a chemical
> process, letting the proper chemicals strip the clear coat off. I'm sure
> others on this list can help you with that.
>
> My Overlander certainly needs a polish job, but it'll have to wait till
the
> snow and cold clears around here.
>
> Phil R.
> 63 Overlander
>
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Message Number: 9
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 06:01:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Toby Folwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Polishing VS Acid Etching
John & Cindy
I've got experience acid etching.
2 things - very difficult to get it even looking, and
2 it'll wreck the pure aluminum "AlClad" layer that is
part or what makes Airstreams mirrory when they are
polished.
my advice - either polish it to a mirror, and let in
grow it's natural even patina, or (and I haven't asked
him, but I'm guessing this is what he does) if you're
looking to get a shine like Craig Dorsey does
(Vintage-vacations.com) give it a nice even hand
polish with a automotive polishing compound (3M? (not
aluminum polish)) or use a mild aluminum polish like
met-all. I'll warn you though that getting that even
finish will be nearly as tough as getting it to be a
mirror. you decide, but you can have a nice looking
trailer generally if you just wash it often.
I don't think they came from the factory as mirror
polished, but they sure came out spic and span, with
new aluminum. now way to regain the new aluminum look
after it's been parked between a couple of trees.
Toby
=====
"The apple grows so bright and high,
And ends its days in apple pie." - s. hoffenstein
http://www.tobyfolwick.com
Minneapolis, MN
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Message Number: 10
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:42:56 -0800
From: "chyde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Polishing an Airstream
Lefty,
I guess I'm going to be another idiot attempting to polish my 57 30'
Sovereign of the Road. How much of that 5 or 6 8+ hours a day involved
removing the clear coat? My trailer doesn't have clear coat and never did.
It doesn't look too bad at the moment however it definitely needs polishing.
It spent most of its life in Texas. Would that climate have helped or hurt
in minimizing the oxidation build-up? I believe the earlier trailers used
Aluclad material for the skins. Does this make it tougher to polish or
easier? I live in the North East so I 'm not going to attempt anything until
the spring. I need to replace several pieces of the skin and I assume that I
should do it with the same alloy material so as to maintain a consistent
gloss to the whole trailer. Does anyone have any experiences using less
expensive skin material and still end up with good results? What material is
acceptable for the belly pan and does it get polished as well?
Thanks,
Colin Hyde
WBCCI #10247, VAC
> Message Number: 6
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:10:00 -0600
> From: lefty frizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Polishing an Airstream
>
> This is a question that pops up quite often, as people migrate on and
> off the net. I am the idiot that decided to "polish" a 31 footer...you
> had best have plenty of time, plenty of money, and plenty of study.
> There are going to be people that will tell you how easy it
> is...baloney. Just stripping the clearcote alone took a lot of time and
> effort.
>
> You can figure 5 or 6 8+ hour days out in the sun or snow. The purchase
> price of the equipment, the polishing compounds, and all the little
> things you find to fix. Probably the price of a rivet gun, and rivets.
> Then, re-caulking where the caulk was removed...arghhhhhhhhh!
>
> Next time, it goes to Oklahoma.
>
>
> Lefty Frizzell
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Message Number: 11
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:27:23 -0600
From: lefty frizzell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Polishing an Airstream
Thanks, and they also tell about the who, what, and where.
I got all my supplies from the places on your list here. It was
Very helpful.
Lefty Frizzell
http://home.earthlink.net/~leftyfrizzell
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I can only please one person per day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow is not looking good either.
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Tom Patterson
Sent: 14 December 01 07:03
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: Polishing an Airstream
Just a reminder for those new to the list .......... I have several
years of e-mail postings from the VAC list (and the Yahoo Airstream
list) archived on my website at http://www.tompatterson.com . There are
a LOT of postings dealing with polishing and clear coat removal, as well
as other subjects. There is also a site search engine to help you find
them.
Currently, there are over 34,000 total pages on the web site.
-Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Renner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:17 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Polishing an Airstream
> Karl,
>
> One of the best articles on polishing I've seen is at
> http://www.vintageairstream.com/rr_polish1.html. There's another at
> http://www.zianet.com/rlashway/Polishing.html, and I'm certain there's
> several more out there somewhere.
>
> These two don't really address the removal of the clear coat top
> finish,
and
> I haven't been looking for information on its removal, as my
> Overlander
has
> none. But I do believe that it's removal should be done by a chemical
> process, letting the proper chemicals strip the clear coat off. I'm
> sure others on this list can help you with that.
>
> My Overlander certainly needs a polish job, but it'll have to wait
> till
the
> snow and cold clears around here.
>
> Phil R.
> 63 Overlander
>
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Message Number: 12
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:33:33 -0600
From: "Jeff Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Feedback on Ford E150 Tow Vehicle
<html><div style='background-color:'><P>Hello list members</P>
<P>I'm pondering the purchase of a 8-cylinder E150 conversion van to tow my 17'
Caravel. Does anyone have personal experience with this rig? Any known mechanical
problems with the van related to towing. </P>
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Message Number: 13
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:05:18 -0500
From: "Larry Snell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microwave oven
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I would like to put a mircowave oven in my 73 Tradewind and am leaning
toward an 1100 watt 120 volt appliance. The AS wiring is original and has
not been modified much over the years. Does anyone have any experience with
using a microwave of this power level in a vintage unit? Any problems with
powerdrain on the 120 volt system. It will be on a separate circuit from
the AC unit and the only other appliance that draws much power is the
refrig. Thanks for any opinions you can give. larry
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Message Number: 14
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:15:22 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Feedback on Ford E150 Tow Vehicle
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The major factors that affect towing ability is engine size, rear end =
ratio, and transmission. Check with Ford, give them the vin number and =
they can tell you what it should be able to do.
Scott
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Subject: [VAC] Feedback on Ford E150 Tow Vehicle
Hello list members
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Message Number: 15
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:25:00 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Statue of Liberty Rally 2002
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If any of you were planning on attending the Statue of Liberty Rally =
next August I have news for you. The rally has been cancled :-(
They are planning on holding it again in 2003. Remember that in 2003 the =
International Rally will be held in Vermont.
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Message Number: 16
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:21:09 -0700 (MST)
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Polisher
I went to the Harbor Freight web page and found a DeWalt HEAVY
DUTY POLISHER which is 7/9" meaning it will handle either a 7 or 9 inch
polishing disk. This unit weighs 7 pounds and draws 700 watts in
operation. It cost me $146.00 and should last through a couple of polish
jobs on my VAC 76 model.
--
Yours Truly,
- Karl F. Larsen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (505) 524-3303 -
http://www.zianet.com/k5di/
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Message Number: 17
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:07:42 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Feedback on Ford E150 Tow Vehicle
Scott Scheuermann wrote:
>
> The major factors that affect towing ability is engine size, rear end
> ratio, and transmission. Check with Ford, give them the vin number and
> they can tell you what it should be able to do.
>
> Scott
>
Plus conversion weight. Ford can supply the gross combination weight.
Subtract the converted van weight, passengers, and other loads then what
is left is the loaded trailer capability.
Gerald J.
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson. Reproduction by
permission only.
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Message Number: 18
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:23:39 -0500
From: Chris Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 72 Sovereign on ebay
Don't know if this has been posted:
http://cgi.ebay.netscape.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=599106576
Nice interior!
________
Chris Bryant
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Message Number: 19
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:33:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Toby Folwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Polisher
it needs to be RANDOM orbital. not just orbital. I
got a milwaukee polisher sander that wasn't random
orbital. it's pretty dusty now.
--- "Karl F. Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I went to the Harbor Freight web page and found a
> DeWalt HEAVY
> DUTY POLISHER which is 7/9" meaning it will handle
> either a 7 or 9 inch
> polishing disk. This unit weighs 7 pounds and draws
> 700 watts in
> operation. It cost me $146.00 and should last
> through a couple of polish
> jobs on my VAC 76 model.
>
> --
> Yours Truly,
>
> - Karl F. Larsen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (505) 524-3303
> -
> http://www.zianet.com/k5di/
>
>
>
>
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http://www.tobyfolwick.com
Minneapolis, MN
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Message Number: 20
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:58:46 -0800
From: Marie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: storage parking in SF Bay Area?
. ....and the land of the free?
>Come to find out the local building code where we've moved (Palo Alto,
>CA) not only forbids the parking of any sort of RV where it can be seen,
>it forbids even working on your car/RV/trailer/boat/etc in view of the public.
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