VACList-Digest Thursday, December 20, 2001 Issue 156
Today's Topics:
1. winter towing
2. Re: JUNKMAIL winter towing
3. Re: JUNKMAIL winter towing
4. Re: winter towing
5. '64 Overlander Windows
6. Re: '64 Overlander Windows
7. Re: creen door
8. Merry Christmas
9. Re: winter towing
10. Re: '64 Overlander Windows
11. Re: winter towing
12. Re: winter towing
13. Re: winter towing
14. Re: winter towing
15. Re: '64 Overlander Windows
16. Re: winter towing
17. Re: 1958 Globetrotter...
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Message Number: 1
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:41:18 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: winter towing
A question for those of you who have experience towing through snow and =
slush. Is there anything in particular to look out for when towing =
through this stuff? I'm used to it driving solo, just no experience =
while towing. I assume that the normal, leave more distance between you =
and the next guy, slow down, and avoid sudden moves all apply here. Any =
other tips?
WHAT TO DO IF YOU SLIDE IN YOUR TOW VEHICLE?
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Message Number: 2
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:08:22 -0500
From: Chris Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: JUNKMAIL winter towing
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pull over and dont start again until the roads dry .
Chris 67 caravel
Scott Scheuermann wrote:
> A question for those of you who have experience towing through snow
> and slush. Is there anything in particular to look out for when towing
> through this stuff? I'm used to it driving solo, just no experience
> while towing. I assume that the normal, leave more distance between
> you and the next guy, slow down, and avoid sudden moves all apply
> here. Any other tips? Scott
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pull over and dont start again until the roads dry .
<br>Chris 67 caravel
<p>Scott Scheuermann wrote:
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question for those of you who have experience towing through snow and slush.
Is there anything in particular to look out for when towing through this
stuff? I'm used to it driving solo, just no experience while towing. I
assume that the normal, leave more distance between you and the next guy,
slow down, and avoid sudden moves all apply here. Any other
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Message Number: 3
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:22:55 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: JUNKMAIL winter towing
Scott,
Keep a good following distance, slow wheel movments and trailer brakes that grab after
the tow vehicle, a skidding wheel will try to pass the roller. Slow speeds but don't
slow the trucks down. It's not so bad, take your time.
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
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Message Number: 4
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:46:29 -0600
From: GeorgeHumphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: winter towing
Hi Scott,
Just make sure your trailer brakes come on before the tow vehicle,
and that their stopping pressure exceeds the tow vehicle. In other
words, it is better that the trailer stops the vehicle and stays behind
it instead of leading it. hi hi Drive safe.
At 06:54 PM 12/19/01 -0500, you wrote:
> slow down, and avoid sudden moves all apply here. Any other tips?
>Scott
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Message Number: 5
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:17:51 -0700
From: "T. Byrd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: '64 Overlander Windows
I have the opportunity to purchase a 1964 Overlander, but there seems to
be a problem with the windows. Aside from the fact that many of the
cranks are missing or non-functional, the windows themselves refuse to
stay closed. With the windows cranked closed, you can still pull them
all the way open from the outside of the coach. I assume this isn't
supposed to happen. :)
My questions are, first of all, why is this happening? And secondly,
what can I do to fix it?
Thanks,
Ted
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Message Number: 6
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:04:44 -0700
From: "Terry O'Neill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: '64 Overlander Windows
You could try Inland RV at:
http://www.inlandrv.com
and click on the parts link. I think you need #91587
Terry O'Neill
Calgary
66 Trade-Wind Double
WBCCI 4786
VAC
http://pages.sprint.ca/Streamsite/main.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "T. Byrd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I have the opportunity to purchase a 1964 Overlander, but there seems to
> be a problem with the windows. Aside from the fact that many of the
> cranks are missing or non-functional, the windows themselves refuse to
> stay closed. With the windows cranked closed, you can still pull them
> all the way open from the outside of the coach. I assume this isn't
> supposed to happen. :)
>
> My questions are, first of all, why is this happening? And secondly,
> what can I do to fix it?
>
> Thanks,
> Ted
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Message Number: 7
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 02:05:29 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: creen door
Hello VAC members,
Bonnie and I would like to thank everyone again that helped alert us to the
eBay auction for a door and screen door. The seller didn't know what year it
came off of but a close look at Ed and Sandy Lewis's '68 and a verification
from Greg at Inland RV confirmed that a '68 screen should fit! We bought it
without knowing the year. When it arrived we took it directly to Sonrise RV
in Escondido, Ca. where it's being worked on and put it on the trailer, sort
of, and it looks corect in all aspects.
Later at home we drilled out some rivets and rmoved the screen for repair and
cleaning. Then we tried to remove the hinge from the door. On our '65 there
is no set pin holding the main hinge pin in place. But on the '68 there is!
If ever you have to remove this set pin...contact us and we'll give you the
details on how to pursuade it out.
When the set pin was out we expected to be able to get out the main hinge
pin. That was not to be! After several hours of tapping then banging on it
from both directions...it hadn't moved a bit! Then when I hit my thumb with
the hammer...we gave up. It's now at the local welders and perhaps a little
heat and the proper punch will get it out.
It looks like we will put the '68 door on our rig since our door had been
drilled out for a conventional lockset therby weakening the aluminum frame
which is cracked at both sides. The new door has no such cracks. It does,
however have a dent and small hole in it. Man you just can't win!
Getting the correct screen door was possibly the greatest obstacle in our
path and you can imagine our pleasure in obtaining that part. Thanks again,
Stuart and Bonnie.
* STUART MACARTHUR RESOR * ARCHITECT * 1268 BLUE SKY DRIVE * CARDIFF BY THE
SEA * CALIFORNIA * 92007-1005 * 760-753-8022 * FAX: 760-753-8058 *
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Message Number: 8
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 06:10:29 -0500
From: "David Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Merry Christmas
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Subject: A Special Invitation to a Christmas Party
You are cordially invited to
A BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION!!!
Guest of Honor: Jesus Christ
Date: Every day. Traditionally, December 25
but He's always around, so the date is flexible....
Time: Whenever you're ready.
(Please don't be late, though, or you'll miss out on all the fun!)
Place: In your heart.... He'll meet you there.
(You'll hear Him knock.)
Attire: Come as you are... grubbies are okay.
He'll be washing our clothes anyway. He said something about
new white robes and crowns for everyone who stays till the last.
Tickets: Admission is free. He's
already paid for everyone...
(He says you wouldn't have been
able to afford it anyway...
it cost Him everything He had. But
you do need to accept the ticket!!
Refreshments: New wine, bread, and a
far-out drink He calls "Living Water,"
followed by a supper that promises to be out of this world!
Gift Suggestions: ; Your life. He's one of those
people who already has everything else.
(He's very generous in return though.
Just wait until you see what He has for you!)
Entertainment: Joy, Peace, Truth,
Light, Life, Love, Real Happiness,
Communion with God, Forgiveness, Miracles, Healing, Power,
Eternity in Paradise, Contentment, and much more!
(All "G" rated, so bring your family and friends.)
R.S.V.P. Very Important!
He must know ahead so He can
reserve a spot for you at the table.
Also, He's keeping a list of His friends for future
reference. He calls it the "Lamb's Book of Life."
Party being given by His Kids (that's us!!)!
Hope to see you there! For those of you whom I will
see at the party, share this with someone today!
We hope this brings you and yours a wonderful Christmas holiday. We miss =
all=20
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ones=20
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Sisters. We miss our Children, that have moved on with their lives. We =
are so=20
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grandsons [a girl on the way]who are so precious to us. We thank Our =
Lord and Savior for=20
blessing with so much. Love to you all,=20
David and Mary Turner
Airstreams For Sale: http://photos.yahoo.com/vintageairstreams
David Turner
1105 Hancock Drive
Americus, GA 31709
Home Ph. 229-924-8488
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future<BR>reference. He=20
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Message Number: 9
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:25:37 -0600
From: "John R. Kleven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: winter towing
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Scott,
I have one thing to add since it took the life of my friend while we =
were in Europe. They call it "Black Ice". We don't emphasize it enough =
in the states, but it still happens a lot. Black Ice is the apparent =
dry asphalt from an overnight freeze or light ice storm that never thaws =
but appears clear. The absence of snow can be misleading. Drive save.
Randy=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott Scheuermann=20
To: Multiple recipients of VACList=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 5:54 PM
Subject: [VAC] winter towing
A question for those of you who have experience towing through snow =
and slush. Is there anything in particular to look out for when towing =
through this stuff? I'm used to it driving solo, just no experience =
while towing. I assume that the normal, leave more distance between you =
and the next guy, slow down, and avoid sudden moves all apply here. Any =
other tips?
=20
Scott=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Scott,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have one thing to add since it took =
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my friend while we were in Europe. They call it "Black Ice". We =
don't=20
emphasize it enough in the states, but it still happens a lot. =
Black Ice=20
is the apparent dry asphalt from an overnight freeze or light ice storm =
that=20
never thaws but appears clear. The absence of snow can be=20
misleading. Drive save.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Randy </FONT></DIV>
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towing</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A question for those of you who have =
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when towing through this stuff? I'm used to it driving solo, just no=20
experience while towing. I assume that the normal, leave more distance =
between=20
you and the next guy, slow down, and avoid sudden moves all =
apply=20
here. Any other tips?</FONT></DIV>
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Message Number: 10
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:37:23 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: '64 Overlander Windows
Replacement openers for '55 to '65 windows are available by order from
RV Dealers for about $12.50 each. The latch hooks are still made by
Hehr (painted red, though - needs stripper), and are available too.
Get the 2002 RV Parts & Accessories Catalog from your dealer - they
have pictures of them in it.
http://vintageairstream.com/rr_topics_suppliers.html
RJ
'57 Flying Cloud
'65 Caravel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:18 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [VAC] '64 Overlander Windows
>
> I have the opportunity to purchase a 1964 Overlander, but
> there seems to
> be a problem with the windows. Aside from the fact that many of the
> cranks are missing or non-functional, the windows themselves refuse to
> stay closed. With the windows cranked closed, you can still pull them
> all the way open from the outside of the coach. I assume this isn't
> supposed to happen. :)
> My questions are, first of all, why is this happening? And secondly,
> what can I do to fix it?
> Thanks,
> Ted
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Message Number: 11
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:40:21 -0500
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: winter towing
These comments have set me thinking for a change. Don Grayson's
demonstrations at the large rallies show that when the rear wheels of a
vehicle skid, the vehicle becomes uncontrollable, whereas skidding front
wheels will continue stably *if left alone*. A trailer is articulated at
the hitch, so maybe that demo does not apply. If it does, then the comment
by - I think - Jim Smith to make the tow vehicle brake first would make
sense, since then one would not run the risk of breaking the trailer tires
from the road. My experience driving on ice (in Central Ohio -
flatland) is totally without any trailer; I found that it takes almost
nothing to break the wheels loose on ice.
If the demo does not apply to an articulated vehicle, then the
usual "trailer brakes on just before tow vehicle" would make sense.
I spoke with a musician in N. Dakota last summer who pulled a huge
fiver from TX to ND in winter. His experience on ice - the one that made
him give winter gigs up - was that he had a terrible time keeping his huge
dually ahead of the fiver (he is *not* underequipped for towing), which
kept trying to pass him.
Does anyone have any reliable information on stability and order
of braking when towing in snow and/or ice (other than "don't do it;" that
would be *my* choice, but that may not be suitable/practical for others)?
- Dick
(5368)
At 11:46 PM 12/19/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi Scott,
>
>Just make sure your trailer brakes come on before the tow vehicle,
>and that their stopping pressure exceeds the tow vehicle. In other
>words, it is better that the trailer stops the vehicle and stays behind
>it instead of leading it. hi hi Drive safe.
>
>At 06:54 PM 12/19/01 -0500, you wrote:
> > slow down, and avoid sudden moves all apply here. Any other tips?
> >Scott
>
>
>
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Message Number: 12
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:43:22 -0700
From: "Bob Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: winter towing
> These comments have set me thinking for a change. Don Grayson's
> demonstrations at the large rallies show that when the rear wheels of a
> vehicle skid, the vehicle becomes uncontrollable, whereas skidding front
> wheels will continue stably *if left alone*. A trailer is articulated at
> the hitch, so maybe that demo does not apply. If it does, then the
comment
> by - I think - Jim Smith to make the tow vehicle brake first would make
> sense, since then one would not run the risk of breaking the trailer tires
> from the road.
> If the demo does not apply to an articulated vehicle, then the
> usual "trailer brakes on just before tow vehicle" would make sense.
If he didn't do the demo with an articulated vehicle, then I wouldn't apply
what you saw to what will happen. Apples to oranges, IMHO
> Does anyone have any reliable information on stability and order
> of braking when towing in snow and/or ice (other than "don't do it;" that
> would be *my* choice, but that may not be suitable/practical for others)?
>
I have no empirical evidince, but I did tow a travel trailer in Alaska from
'68 to '71, including in the winter on the ice (they didn't plow the
highways back then). I had my brakes set up to apply slightly before the tow
vehicle, and had no problems at all. If I did get into a skid or the tow
vehicle got squirrely, I tapped the manual lever on the controller so that
the trailer stayed behind me. That tended to keep the tow vehicle straight,
as well. All this, of course, while taking my foot off the gas pedal :^)
No way did I want to have my rig all over the road in -40 weather.
Bob Hightower WBCCI 11365
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Message Number: 13
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:23:51 -0500
From: Chris Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: winter towing
At 06:54 PM 12/19/01 -0500, Scott Scheuermann wrote:
>A question for those of you who have experience towing through snow and
>slush. Is there anything in particular to look out for when towing through
>this stuff? I'm used to it driving solo, just no experience while towing.
>I assume that the normal, leave more distance between you and the next
>guy, slow down, and avoid sudden moves all apply here. Any other tips?
If you are using any kind of sway control (other than Hensley or
Pullrite)- disable it. In slippery conditions, it will tend to make the tow
vehicle slide rather than turn.
Other than that- it's really common sense (which is rather
uncommon these days ;)
http://www.bryantrv.com/as2.htm - the top picture is of our old trailer
after a long, snowy drive.
>
________
Chris Bryant
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Message Number: 14
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:28:59 -0500
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: winter towing
Bob:
>If he didn't do the demo with an articulated vehicle, then I wouldn't apply
>what you saw to what will happen. Apples to oranges, IMHO
I agree, apples to oranges. Well put.
Unfortunately, Don's demo could not be applied simply to an
articulated vehicle and give meaningful answers. Don uses a toy car on a
ramp, and runs it down freely; then with the front wheels fixed by a rubber
band, so that they slide; then with the rear wheels fixed to slide, again
with a rubber band. The result is clear and more or less independent of
residual (sliding) friction on the fixed tires - fixing the rear tires
causes instability, fixing the front ones does not.
With a trailer on dry pavement, even if the trailer tires skid
they will still provide a stabilizing frictional force because sliding
friction is not zero. So, if the tow vehicle is not skidding too, a
skidding trailer could still be stable.
On ice, the residual friction is much reduced, nearly to zero, and
the skidding trailer will probably try to jackknife. If you are able,
accelerating the tow vehicle (but not enough to break *its* tires loose)
should help; even without much tire friction at the road, the trailer
inertia will still tend to straighten the rig out. Trailer brakes are
unlikely to be very effective on "glare ice," although every little bit
will help.
Running on packed snow rather than "glare" ice, especially if it
has developed a rut, should give more stability. Your experience in Alaska
seems to bear this out. Glad you had no trouble.
Seems to me like "stay at home if you can" would be good advice.
>No way did I want to have my rig all over the road in -40 weather.
Yeah... the weather itself is a life threatening at that temperature.
- Dick
(5368)
"Think like a man of action. Act like a man of thought."
- Henri Bergson
Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
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Message Number: 15
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:27:47 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: '64 Overlander Windows
Ted,
If you have not yet figured it out. The windows have latches to keep them
shut. They are located on the bottom of the frame.
Scott
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From: "T. Byrd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 1:17 AM
Subject: [VAC] '64 Overlander Windows
> I have the opportunity to purchase a 1964 Overlander, but there seems to
> be a problem with the windows. Aside from the fact that many of the
> cranks are missing or non-functional, the windows themselves refuse to
> stay closed. With the windows cranked closed, you can still pull them
> all the way open from the outside of the coach. I assume this isn't
> supposed to happen. :)
>
> My questions are, first of all, why is this happening? And secondly,
> what can I do to fix it?
>
> Thanks,
> Ted
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Message Number: 16
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:45:25 -0500
From: Jim Dunmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: winter towing
Dick,
If you lock up wheels, they skid uncontrollably. A kinda neat
experiment is to find a snow or ice-covered parking lot, get your
vehicle going about 25 MPH or so and apply the parking brake hard.
You'll go 'round and 'round, totally out of control.
You may or may not want the trailer brakes to 'lead' the tow vehicle
slightly, but you sure don't want the brakes to lock up.
<<Jim>>
"Richard P. Kenan" wrote:
>
> These comments have set me thinking for a change. Don Grayson's
> demonstrations at the large rallies show that when the rear wheels of a
> vehicle skid, the vehicle becomes uncontrollable, whereas skidding front
> wheels will continue stably *if left alone*. A trailer is articulated at
> the hitch, so maybe that demo does not apply. If it does, then the comment
> by - I think - Jim Smith to make the tow vehicle brake first would make
> sense, since then one would not run the risk of breaking the trailer tires
> from the road. My experience driving on ice (in Central Ohio -
> flatland) is totally without any trailer; I found that it takes almost
> nothing to break the wheels loose on ice.
> If the demo does not apply to an articulated vehicle, then the
> usual "trailer brakes on just before tow vehicle" would make sense.
> I spoke with a musician in N. Dakota last summer who pulled a huge
> fiver from TX to ND in winter. His experience on ice - the one that made
> him give winter gigs up - was that he had a terrible time keeping his huge
> dually ahead of the fiver (he is *not* underequipped for towing), which
> kept trying to pass him.
> Does anyone have any reliable information on stability and order
> of braking when towing in snow and/or ice (other than "don't do it;" that
> would be *my* choice, but that may not be suitable/practical for others)?
>
> - Dick
> (5368)
>
> At 11:46 PM 12/19/2001 -0600, you wrote:
> >Hi Scott,
> >
> >Just make sure your trailer brakes come on before the tow vehicle,
> >and that their stopping pressure exceeds the tow vehicle. In other
> >words, it is better that the trailer stops the vehicle and stays behind
> >it instead of leading it. hi hi Drive safe.
> >
> >At 06:54 PM 12/19/01 -0500, you wrote:
> > > slow down, and avoid sudden moves all apply here. Any other tips?
> > >Scott
> >
> >
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> "Think like a man of action. Act like a man of thought."
> - Henri Bergson
> Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
> Retired and loving it!
> WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
> Atlanta
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Message Number: 17
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:03:58 -0500
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1958 Globetrotter...
on 12/16/01 7:58 PM, Tom and Linda at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Terry and Ed... Hi Terry, we know you and Sandie but don't think we have met
> Ed. We need some assistance please regarding a vintage Airstream, if
> possible.
>
Hi Tom and Linda,
Three ideas come to mind immediately.
1 - The most comprehensive source of data on Vintage Airstreams may be
obtained directly from archives collected by Tom Patterson.
2 - If you'd like to be part of a discussion with others who own Vintage
Airstreams, the place to go is the VAC email discussion group.
3 - Occasionally, two owners of Vintage Airstreams with "instant messaging"
on their computers get together and share solutions on a specific topic.
The archives include over 30,000 postings and cover every topic imaginable.
Solutions for problems with ANY AGE of Airstream may be found on this site.
Click the "search" icon. The topics of winterizing and electricity are well
covered. This website should be put on your computer's "favorites" toolbar.
Go to: >> http://www.tompatterson.com
The VAC daily email discussion group is available to anyone with an interest
in Airstreams. It is open to the general public and may be joined by merely
subscribing to it. Go to: >> http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
The same goes for the Vintage Airstream Club. Anyone may join as a "friend."
Use the above web site for access to doing that. Those who own a Vintage
Airstream and join as "regular" members ($10) have access to the VAC
archives and receive the newsletter.
There is a general Airstream email discussion group for owners of any age
Airstream. To subscribe, go to the website and follow the directions. It's
at: >> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/AirstreamList/
As for details about the 1958 Globetrotter, there are members on the VAC
email discussion group who own the exact year and model (or very close to
it) as your daughter and son-in-law. I'd suggest they join the group and
read the daily emails long enough to get an idea of how it works and then
ask away. I'm sure answers will be forthcoming.
While at the VAC website, go to the pictures sections and look for a 1958
Globetrotter (or thereabouts). Who knows, a picture may be there with the
owners standing in front of their 1958. If they have an email address and
subscribe to the VAC email discussion group, this would be a good contact.
> Thanks for any help you can offer us, or to anyone you can send us to that may
> be able to answer our questions. If you would like to welcome Cindy and
> Richard into Vintage Airstreaming, their e-mail address is...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Hi Cindy and Richard,
Welcome to Vintage Airstreaming. It's an exciting lifestyle for restorers of
these fine old vehicles. There are hundreds of us who subscribe to both
email discussion groups. Most members check their email several times a
week even while traveling. Travelers may check it more or less often
depending on phones jacks being available. The reason I mention this is to
alert you to what may seem like a time delay between asking questions and
getting answers. If a week goes by and your question isn't answered, ask
again.
> We will be going to Florida the middle of January until mid-March and will
> look you up in the vintage section at Sarasota.
>
Tom and Linda, it'll be great to see you at Sarasota. Our plan is to park
with the handicappers. There will be other VAC members with us in the same
section. Many more will be in the vintage section. If you haven't considered
arriving in time for early parking, I'd encourage you to do that. Even then,
there will be many who arrive a day before early parking starts. They will
boondock in the fairground parking lot outside the gate. As you know, an
Airstreamer who arrives on time is late (grin).
> Terry, please say hi to Sandie for us. We wish you a wonderful holiday season
> and we hope to see you "Down the Road". Tom and Linda Holloman WBCCI #1115
>
Sandie says hi right back to you. Both of us are well. Our two kitties are
enjoying the warm weather and watching birds out the back window. The truck
and trailer ('78 Ford Van and '77 31' Airstream) are still going strong.
We've been visiting my mother in Jensen Beach, FL. Our two weeks at the COE
Campground (8 campsites) beside the St. Lucie Locks in Stuart, FL is from
Dec 15-28th, then it's off to Paradise Park for New Years eve. Enough of the
mundane.
Enjoy the holidays, stay sharp and drive smart,
Terry
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