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Henry beat me to a response.  I'll only add that we'll probably be moving any 
documentation content currently under vcl.ncsu.edu that is not specific to 
the ASF VCL install at NCSU to ASF VCL websites.


On Fri March 6 2009 3:07:17 pm Henry E Schaffer wrote:
> Kevan writes:
> >  ...
> > Perhaps an example would be useful.
> >
> > There are multiple cases where Open Source projects have moved to
> > Apache and maintained their name. For example, both OpenEJB and
> > ActiveMQ were Codehaus projects. They both entered Apache Incubator.
> > There was a period of time where there were (some) activities at both
> > Codehaus OpenEJB/ActiveMQ and within the corresponding Apache
> > Incuabator projects. However, over time, the projects were solely
> > focused on the Apache Incubator. You can find some vestiges of the old
> > Codehaus projects, but essentially the Codehaus projects no longer
> > exist.
> >
> > So, is there a similar situation for VCL?
>   That's what I thought - we've already made that transition to having
> code development entirely within the Apache Incubator project.
> > It's been my impression that
> > a public facing NCSU 'VCL' entity was going to continue,
>   Our public facing NCSU 'VCL' entity is a computing service which we
> provide for the use of our students, faculty, and others.  Yes, we
> intend to continue providing this service.  The users are using
> computing resources (cycles, software) which is made available through
> the use of the VCL software which is continuing to be developed in the
> Apache Incubator project.
>   We see the service and the software development as being separate.
> > along with
> > the Apache VCL project. If this is the case, then there would seem to
> > be a problem.
> >
> > So, is there still going to be a public facing 'NCSU VCL' project?
>   No - there will be no public facing 'NCSU VCL' software development
> project.
>   But we need to continue providing a computing service to our students,
> faculty, ... and we want to call this computing service the VCL (or NCSU
> VCL or ... - note that it really has to be in the ncsu.edu domain.)
> We actually don't call it a "project" - we call it a Lab or a Service.
> Quoting from our home page:
> Remote Access Service
> The Virtual Computing Lab (VCL) is a remote access service that allows
> you to reserve a computer with a desired set of applications for
> yourself, and remotely access it over the Internet.
>   We don't use the word "Project" there, and our users don't have any
> involvement with software development.
> > It's been my impression that there would be.
> >
> > Doing some research, http://vcl.ncsu.edu tells me that "Virtual
> > Computing Lab (VCL) is a remote access service..." Virtual Computing
> > Lab and (VCL) seem to be somewhat synonymous.
>   Yes.
> > So, can you give us an idea on how you intend to break yourself from
> > the current situation? Things like: "NCSU Virtual Computing Lab:
> > powered by Apache VCL"?
>   I think we've already suggested this.
> > And usage of "VCL" on your web site will be
> > replaced by either "Virtual Computing Lab" or "Apache VCL", as
> > appropriate?
>   Something like this seems reasonable - although we need to figure out
> exactly what would be appropriate.  (Would we be able, with these
> changes to continue using https://vcl.ncsu.edu/ ?)
>   It might take some work to see how to reword material, such as this
> from the home page
> Development of The Virtual Computing Lab (VCL) started in 2004 as a
> joint venture of the College of Engineering (COE) and the Office of
> Information Technology (OIT) ...
> perhaps to
> Development of The Virtual Computing Lab (now using the software which
> has moved to the Apache VCL project) started in 2004 as a joint venture
> of the College of Engineering (COE) and the Office of Information
> Technology (OIT)
> ???
> > The fact that the two terms appear to have been used
> > synonymously, would seem to complicate matters.

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Josh Thompson
Systems Programmer
Virtual Computing Lab (VCL)
North Carolina State University


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