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On Thu March 5 2009 4:55:01 pm Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> On Mar 3, 2009, at 12:42 PM, sam averitt wrote:
> > Question: Suppose the project name became CloudMaker.  Would it not be
> > permissible to call the NC State cloud, NCSU CloudMaker or NC State's
> > CloudMaker?
> That would not be possible.  Maybe one way to make it more clear is
> assume that NCSU is IBM and we are Amazon.  Does this statement sound
> permissible:
> Would it be permissible to call the IBM cloud, IBM Electronic
> Computing Cloud or IBM's Electronic Computing Cloud?
> That would definitely not fly for either parties and, so, would not
> work here.
> > So what you are saying is that it doesn't matter what the name,
> > either formal or common, AFS rules require a different name?
> Correct, our project name has to be different.

This is the message I keep hearing (and by "hearing", I mean it is how I am 
interpreting what I read) that doesn't make any sense to me:

"There must be a name for the project at ASF that isn't used anywhere else in 
the world for any similar project, and anyone who downloads and installs said 
project isn't allowed to use the ASF name in any way."

That doesn't make sense to me because t's a normal business model to produce 
software that is to be sold and used by other people /without/ changing the 
name of the software, in fact, it would generally be considered wrong to 
change the name.  An example similar to ours that I can think of is 
Blackboard software used for online courses.  www.blackboard.com is the site 
for the company that develops it.  If you do a google search 
for "allinurl:blackboard" you'll find many sites that have Blackboard 
installed and actually use "blackboard" in the URL.


> > Among other
> > more recent names we considered was VCloud -- Virtual Cloud as in
> > cloud of
> > clouds. Would VCloud be an acceptable ASF name?
> VCloud might be fine.  Anything other than VCL.  However, once it's
> understood that the name has to change, it's the ASF community that
> gets to decide on the new name.
> Regards,
> Alan
> > Sam
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alan D. Cabrera [mailto:l...@toolazydogs.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:17 AM
> > To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: VCL, is this name kosher?
> >
> > On Mar 2, 2009, at 6:31 PM, sam averitt wrote:
> >> A simple suggestion on the name - that VCL be "transferred" to
> >> Apache.org
> >> and become the official project name. Current users of VCL already
> >> wrap
> >> their own identity around VCL. NC State would/could still use the
> >> qualified
> >> name NCSU VCL or NC State's VCL and others would/could do likewise.
> >> For
> >> example the Virginia group already calls their initiative Virginia
> >> VCL.
> >
> > Unfortunately that's all the more reason for the ASF project to change
> > its name.
> >
> >> I believe there are no specific acknowledgement requirements for use
> >> of
> >> apache.org software? Meaning that anyone could add a personalized
> >> qualifier
> >> or not and a root linkage statement (like powered by Apache.org's
> >> VCL) or
> >> not.
> >
> > Project attribution should not be confused with with the department.
> > To be sure NCSU could use Apache VCL, install it,  use it, and provide
> > attribution.  However, having the progenitor keep its name, VCL,
> > causes a conflict that needs to be resolved.  This issue can easily be
> > solved by having this project choose a new name.
> >
> >> Seems to me that providing a combined personal identifier and default
> >> root linkage mechanism would help, not hurt the Apache brand.
> >
> > Attribution is always appreciated but it's a not very convincing
> > argument for the ASF keeping a name that is at odds with its
> > progenitor's and now other universities' project names, VCL.
> >
> >> What I can say
> >> is that this assessment is consistent with and supported by our
> >> experience
> >> to date.
> >
> > NCSU VCL and its developers have a lot to be proud of.  It's only
> > natural that both, NCSU VCL and its developers at ASF VCL, would want
> > to keep their association with the brand.  That brand is only
> > strengthened as departments from other universities join in and have
> > their initiatives participate in the VCL brand.  Unfortunately the ASF
> > must remain independent this branding effort.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alan

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Systems Programmer
Virtual Computing Lab (VCL)
North Carolina State University


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