-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri March 6 2009 9:37:03 am Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > >>> So what you are saying is that it doesn't matter what the name, > >>> either formal or common, AFS rules require a different name? > >> > >> Correct, our project name has to be different. > > > > This is the message I keep hearing (and by "hearing", I mean it is > > how I am > > interpreting what I read) that doesn't make any sense to me: > > > > "There must be a name for the project at ASF that isn't used > > anywhere else in > > the world for any similar project, and anyone who downloads and > > installs said > > project isn't allowed to use the ASF name in any way." > > > > That doesn't make sense to me because t's a normal business model to > > produce > > software that is to be sold and used by other people /without/ > > changing the > > name of the software, in fact, it would generally be considered > > wrong to > > change the name. An example similar to ours that I can think of is > > Blackboard software used for online courses. www.blackboard.com is > > the site > > for the company that develops it. If you do a google search > > for "allinurl:blackboard" you'll find many sites that have Blackboard > > installed and actually use "blackboard" in the URL. > > You are missing the point. I am not advocating changing the name just > for the sake of changing the name. There is a conflict in naming > between NCSU VCL and this project. It's that simple.
I'm sorry, I'm just not understanding what you're saying - I need you to restate it using different wording rather than just repeating yourself. I don't understand the naming conflict between ASF VCL and NCSU's install of VCL (keep in mind the content at vcl.ncsu.edu will be changed to refer to development of VCL being at ASF and stuff at vcl.ncsu.edu to just be an install of it). It seems to me, the Blackboard example I gave above exactly matches our situation. If it can work for them, why can it not work for VCL? If you don't think it matches our situation, please clearly state how and why you don't think it matches. Matt and Kevan - Do you understand what Alan is saying? If so, as our other two mentors, can you help to clarify it? Josh > I will repeat myself again here. NCSU VCL and its developers have a > lot to be proud of. It's only natural that both, NCSU VCL and its > developers at ASF VCL, would want to keep their association with the > brand. That brand is only strengthened as departments from other > universities join in and have their initiatives participate in the VCL > brand. Unfortunately the ASF must remain independent this branding > effort. > > We are not a business. We are an independent, non-profit, software > foundation and we must remain free from such entanglements. > > > Regards, > Alan > > > Josh > > > >>> Among other > >>> more recent names we considered was VCloud -- Virtual Cloud as in > >>> cloud of > >>> clouds. Would VCloud be an acceptable ASF name? > >> > >> VCloud might be fine. Anything other than VCL. However, once it's > >> understood that the name has to change, it's the ASF community that > >> gets to decide on the new name. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> Alan > >> > >>> Sam > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Alan D. Cabrera [mailto:[email protected]] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:17 AM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: VCL, is this name kosher? > >>> > >>> On Mar 2, 2009, at 6:31 PM, sam averitt wrote: > >>>> A simple suggestion on the name - that VCL be "transferred" to > >>>> Apache.org > >>>> and become the official project name. Current users of VCL already > >>>> wrap > >>>> their own identity around VCL. NC State would/could still use the > >>>> qualified > >>>> name NCSU VCL or NC State's VCL and others would/could do likewise. > >>>> For > >>>> example the Virginia group already calls their initiative Virginia > >>>> VCL. > >>> > >>> Unfortunately that's all the more reason for the ASF project to > >>> change > >>> its name. > >>> > >>>> I believe there are no specific acknowledgement requirements for > >>>> use > >>>> of > >>>> apache.org software? Meaning that anyone could add a personalized > >>>> qualifier > >>>> or not and a root linkage statement (like powered by Apache.org's > >>>> VCL) or > >>>> not. > >>> > >>> Project attribution should not be confused with with the department. > >>> To be sure NCSU could use Apache VCL, install it, use it, and > >>> provide > >>> attribution. However, having the progenitor keep its name, VCL, > >>> causes a conflict that needs to be resolved. This issue can > >>> easily be > >>> solved by having this project choose a new name. > >>> > >>>> Seems to me that providing a combined personal identifier and > >>>> default > >>>> root linkage mechanism would help, not hurt the Apache brand. > >>> > >>> Attribution is always appreciated but it's a not very convincing > >>> argument for the ASF keeping a name that is at odds with its > >>> progenitor's and now other universities' project names, VCL. > >>> > >>>> What I can say > >>>> is that this assessment is consistent with and supported by our > >>>> experience > >>>> to date. > >>> > >>> NCSU VCL and its developers have a lot to be proud of. It's only > >>> natural that both, NCSU VCL and its developers at ASF VCL, would > >>> want > >>> to keep their association with the brand. That brand is only > >>> strengthened as departments from other universities join in and have > >>> their initiatives participate in the VCL brand. Unfortunately the > >>> ASF > >>> must remain independent this branding effort. > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Alan > > > > - -- > > - ------------------------------- > > Josh Thompson > > Systems Programmer > > Virtual Computing Lab (VCL) > > North Carolina State University > > > > [email protected] > > 919-515-5323 > > > > my GPG/PGP key can be found at www.keyserver.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFJsS17V/LQcNdtPQMRAkVGAJ9cdJnfS9AWpf0t4YBOq/1bzs5opQCeIIQU > > EhGdXJXSLVMBF5MBL2SXjp0= > > =wRZM > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - -- - ------------------------------- Josh Thompson Systems Programmer Virtual Computing Lab (VCL) North Carolina State University [email protected] 919-515-5323 my GPG/PGP key can be found at www.keyserver.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFJsT3hV/LQcNdtPQMRAnl2AJ0fwS+fISmN3jh5a5SVBDHbrb3QXACff2HU 9qI9sziunVREaAeBYKiqvHY= =qUNZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
