Thanks Jones, you make our difference in approach very clear. In
contrast, I assume all LENR results from the same process regardless
of which isotope of hydrogen is used or which metal lattice contains
the NAE. Of course, different nuclear products result from D and H,
and different transmutation products result from Pd and Ni. We will
see which approach is most useful in making the effect work better and
is consistent with the observed behaviors. Let the games begin. :-)
Ed Storms
On Feb 8, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
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From: Edmund Storms
Let me see if I understand your position, Jones. You believe the
behavior
using deuterium has no relationship to the behavior when H is used.
"No relationship" is too strong. After all, both involve hydrogen
loaded
metal and QM. But the assessment is almost correct if you base it on
two
different types of tunneling with vastly different outcomes.
If PdD does result in fusion to helium, then my answer is almost
yes, there
is almost no relevance of that dynamic to the Rossi effect of Ni-H,
which is
not a known fusion reaction, and may not technically be fusion at all.
However, I am not convinced that PdD works this way, and frankly -
it is a
diversion to even bring it up for now, since it detracts from the
really
important issue - which is the proper understanding of the Rossi
effect.
The two are almost as unrelated as mainstream fission is from
mainstream
fusion.
You believe nature has several ways to initiate LENR depending on
which
isotope of hydrogen is used.
Absolutely yes - to the degree that the name: "LENR" includes any
thermal
anomaly, not necessarily related to a known nuclear reaction, and
there are
12 or more distinct routes to thermal gain.
You accept what Rossi has said without question
LOL. No one can accept Rossi's full account, as it is self-
contradictory;
but it is the totality of the evidence that matters especially the
lack of
gammas and that detail comes from experts, not Rossi.
You propose the mechanism that works for Ni+H2 is outside of
conventional nuclear behavior - including not producing the calculated
amount of energy the mass change requires.
Exactamundo. This is where one must depart from the original Focardi/
Rossi
account. The most prevalent active mechanism is not proton addition to
nickel, with transmutation to copper. The facts do not support that.
There
could be a small contribution but the main reaction is different.
Like it or not, Steven Jones - and his new slides do support the
viewpoint
of Bob Cook and many others on spin coupling - due to magnetic field
collapse and with real data, and a photon signature in the RF. He also
disputes the connection of Helium to excess heat. I would not go
that far,
but it is sufficient to say the PdD and NiH are very different.
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