Hoi, Do you blame me for not feeling safe going to the USA? Thanks, GerardM
On 8 November 2016 at 11:08, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > Not going to North Corolina is absolutely fine with me. We do not gain > anything by going there arguably not to any state in the United States. > What Wikimania is, is a platform for propaganda for what we have, what we > do, who we are and how we do what we do. In many countries Wikipedia is not > the house hold name it is in the USA. > > Wikimania is not aimed for the English Wikipedia, it is aimed to further > our movement. Not going to places is similar to saying that those other > people, speaking other languages, with an other culture do not matter. They > do. > > We should go to Russia, India, South Africa, China. The people of those > countries should matter to us, the people we could share the sum of all > knowledge with. > > THAT is what we do, sharing the sum of all knowledge. > > When the choice of the venue is only about being safe, we should not go to > the USA (I do not feel safe there), we should go to Germany, to Switzerland > and move the office as well. It is not likely to happen, not what I want > either. > > If there is one thing about LBGT, it is that that struggle is still being > fought. Hiding and keeping away does not work. It does not help the LBGT > community. More importantly in this context it does not help the Wikimedia > community. For the latter it is vital to make our message heard.We aim to > share the sum of all knowledge and many people have not even heard of us. > Thank, > GerardM > > On 18 October 2016 at 16:00, Pax Ahimsa Gethen < > list-wikime...@funcrunch.org> wrote: > >> Gerard, this isn't about "holiday destinations", it's about human rights >> and dignity. That's why I emphasized in my original post that I'm concerned >> not only about the safety of conference attendees, but also about those >> living in the host country. The choice of a venue in a location with a poor >> human rights record reflects poorly upon Wikipedia/Wikimedia and our >> mission to share knowledge. There's a reason a number of major companies >> pulled their events and funding out of North Carolina after the restrictive >> restroom laws were passed for example... >> >> - Pax >> >> >> >> On 10/18/16 6:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >> >>> Hoi, >>> For me safety is to a large extend secondary to what we aim to achieve. >>> Our >>> primary goal is to improve on our primary goal and it is "sharing in the >>> sum of all knowledge". It is not for going to the perfect holiday >>> destination. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 18 October 2016 at 13:56, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Gerard, could you provide some tangible examples of how other safety >>>> aspects of Wikimania would be compromised if there is any specific >>>> attention paid to the safety of LGBT+ Wikimedians? I cannot imagine >>>> how such a thing could be true. >>>> >>>> Based on my reading, nobody in this thread has asked for the safety of >>>> LGBT+ attendees to be "prioritized" over other safety aspects. Please >>>> don't make it appear as if they have. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Fae >>>> >>>> On 18 October 2016 at 11:42, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> I do care that everybody can come to places where they are safe. All >>>>> the >>>>> specific LGBT attention to safety is however on many levels problematic >>>>> when we prioritise this over other safety aspects. The big picture for >>>>> me >>>>> is that we need to go to places where bringing Wikipedia and what it >>>>> >>>> stands >>>> >>>>> for the most good. It is why I would go to Russia, to China to India to >>>>> South Africa. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae >>>> >>>> >> -- >> Pax Ahimsa Gethen | http://funcrunch.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>