With all due respect Pax... whilst I am fully in agreement with the concept of selecting a country with the safety of ALL participants in mind, I totally disagree with the concept of selecting a country based on "high human records" generally.

We are not serving the part of humanity that has the chance to live in countries with high human records. We are serving everyone, no matter in which country they live.

People living in those countries with poor records, already suffer from poor human rights. Why would we add to that ?


Le 18/10/2016 à 16:00, Pax Ahimsa Gethen a écrit :
Gerard, this isn't about "holiday destinations", it's about human rights
and dignity. That's why I emphasized in my original post that I'm
concerned not only about the safety of conference attendees, but also
about those living in the host country. The choice of a venue in a
location with a poor human rights record reflects poorly upon
Wikipedia/Wikimedia and our mission to share knowledge. There's a reason
a number of major companies pulled their events and funding out of North
Carolina after the restrictive restroom laws were passed for example...

- Pax

On 10/18/16 6:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
For me safety is to a large extend secondary to what we aim to
achieve. Our
primary goal is to improve on our primary goal and it is "sharing in the
sum of all knowledge". It is not for going to the perfect holiday

On 18 October 2016 at 13:56, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:

Gerard, could you provide some tangible examples of how other safety
aspects of Wikimania would be compromised if there is any specific
attention paid to the safety of LGBT+ Wikimedians? I cannot imagine
how such a thing could be true.

Based on my reading, nobody in this thread has asked for the safety of
LGBT+ attendees to be "prioritized" over other safety aspects. Please
don't make it appear as if they have.


On 18 October 2016 at 11:42, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
I do care that everybody can come to places where they are safe. All
specific LGBT attention to safety is however on many levels problematic
when we prioritise this over other safety aspects. The big picture
for me
is that we need to go to places where bringing Wikipedia and what it
for the most good. It is why I would go to Russia, to China to India to
South Africa.
fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

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