WMF staff are certainly contributors within the technical spaces. There's
no reason why they shouldn't be able to participate in the COC formation
process (which I have unrelated concerns with...)

A lack of other community members participation is perhaps half on a lack
of advertising, and half on a lack of interest.

Adrian Raddatz

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 4:12 PM, quiddity <pandiculat...@gmail.com> wrote:

> * The people in the WMF and the Affiliates are /part of/ of the
> communities.
> * Even the people without extensive years of volunteering, or those who
> only started volunteering at the same time as they became professionally
> involved, are part of the communities.
> * It is illogical for us to tell the people who take on highly-active
> roles, that they are no longer able to lead.
> * We (collectively) try to encourage the extremely capable volunteers to
> apply for jobs, and for grants.
> * If Wikimedia Cascadia becomes a well-funded chapter, and you were a
> staffer of it, would you become ineligible to lead proposals that effect
> your area of activity?
>
> --
> quiddity
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Let me rephrase and elaborate on that point. Phabricator and MediaWiki
> > aren't the WMF wiki. I think that WMF employees' proposals, comments,
> > questions, and suggestions can be welcome for TCoC drafting. However, in
> > terms of process leadership and in terms of proportion of input, I would
> > like to see -- and I think that the proposal would be more likely to pass
> > an RfC on adoption for the whole document -- community leadership of the
> > process, and a greater proportion of community input.
> >
> > Pine
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Erik Bernhardson <
> > ebernhard...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A point I should make is that I think that Matthew and others made
> some
> > > > good-faith efforts with the current draft. I would have proposed far
> > less
> > > > WMF involvement with the draft
> > >
> > >
> > > One thing I just don't understand here, why should the people that
> > > participate in technical spaces more than most (because it's their job
> to
> > > do so) not be involved?
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