Yes, there's no consensus. I don't personally agree (online has become an attention economy, so people's time and therefore their edits are valuable, and we should make the barrier to entry as low and quick and unobtrusive as possible as we can, whilst keeping the number of spam/junk/gibberish edits manageable; plus I don't believe that edit privs are an effective draw-card for getting more members) - but the world would be a pretty boring place if we all agreed on everything ;-)
As for the suggestion about me doing something with running the WM-AU wiki, it's a case of "thanks, but no thanks". Running websites in general is a fairly thankless task (like the police, you usually only hear from people when it's wrong, not when it's right), it's similar-ish to my work and I'd prefer to do different things in my free time, and it's unnecessary because the people running the site currently are doing a damn fine job, and have both my sympathies and appreciation. -- All the best, Nick. -----Original Message----- From: private musings <[email protected]> Reply-to: Wikimedia-au <[email protected]> To: Wikimedia-au <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Open website editing? Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 21:46:08 +1000 oh... ok! carry on :-) On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Andrew <[email protected]> wrote: I don't see any such consensus emerging in this discussion - it actually seems to be more the other way. 2009/6/9 private musings <[email protected]> it looks to me like we're heading for consensus that a bit more open editing would be a good thing - not for IP addresses, but for folk who have confirmed their email address (per Nick's technical suggestion)... could we implement this or could someone suitably empowered indicate how they see this developing / further thoughts :-) I think just getting a bit more energy / input into wm-au would be a good thing at the mo - and for me this includes welcoming non-member editors at this time..... cheers, Peter, PM. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Andrew <[email protected]> wrote: Indeed. Agreed with Sarah's post - she put it far better than I did :) If there is a learning curve for new users, perhaps we could simply include a FAQ on editing the communal wiki or a link to it in the welcome pack/greeting that members receive when they first join. Andrew 2009/6/5 Sarah Ewart <[email protected]> I can't say I'm enamored with the idea of anonymous editing. As I recall, we had several reasons for restricting editing. As Liam said, one was to provide members privs (editing rights for the wiki is still listed on the membership page as a member's benefit), and another was concern about disruption - vandals, spammers, and whatnot. I don't think we're currently equipped to deal with the 'cons' that go along with the 'pros' of anonymous editing. Currently we have 32 registered users, minus at least four testing and alternate accounts. Of the remaining 28, 4 are classed as active (edited in the last 7 days) and a large portion of the rest have never edited outside establishing user/user talk pages. From a practical standpoint, I would be very concerned about how the extra cleanup and monitoring of recent changes, which inevitably goes hand-in-hand with anonymous editing, would be managed so that it wouldn't just become another job for a small number of people who already have a lot of work to do (don't meant that to sound at all snarky :)). Also agree with what Brianna said about members v open spaces and undue influence on the Chapter from non-members etc. I do, however, agree with Peter's comments about reasons people without memberships and accounts may find themselves wanting to edit and it would be nice to find a way to facilitate this but I can't imagine that I would support anonymous editing at least until/unless we have a reasonably active wiki community and that seems unlikely for the foreseeable future. Also I honestly don't think that creating an account is currently that onerous for members and you don't have to write emails. Simply fill out this form to request an account - http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Special:RequestAccount -Sarah On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Liam Wyatt <[email protected]> wrote: From what I recall, the reason we didn't have open editing of the Wikimedia Australia wiki is by way of providing something special to members. I am personally not against the idea of opening up the editing to non-members but AFAICR that was the issue - not a technical one. -Liam wittylama.com/blog Peace, love & metadata Sent from Sydney, Nsw, Australia On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:36 PM, private musings <[email protected]> wrote: found myself nodding furiously at Pengo's first post :-) @nickj - it sound to me that you have the appropriate technical know how to implement the 'open editing once you've confirmed your email' approach which this thread seems to be moving towards - would you be prepared to make the appropriate necessary technical changes, given the appropriate access? @brianna / other committee types reading - would you mind nick having said access, and making said changes? I think it'd be most helpful :-) it'd be very cool to move towards resolving this one in reasonably short order :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:41 PM, K. Peachey <[email protected]> wrote: > If spam is the main reason to have accounts, would using a CAPTCHA for > non-confirmed accounts help? (is that a simple option in Mediawiki?) > Otherwise I'd recommend nothing more restrictive than "confirm email address > to edit" > Peter Halasz > [[User:Pengo]] I believe, although maybe wrong but its part of the core until a user is autoconfirmed. _______________________________________________ Wikimediaau-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l _______________________________________________ Wikimediaau-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l _______________________________________________ Wikimediaau-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l _______________________________________________ Wikimediaau-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l _______________________________________________ Wikimediaau-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l _______________________________________________ Wikimediaau-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l _______________________________________________ Wikimediaau-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l _______________________________________________ Wikimediaau-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l _______________________________________________ Wikimediaau-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
