Some of the comments in this thread have been along the lines of
"Well I can find what I'm looking for amongst my 200 Bajillion items
in moments - and, look Ma, no collections, ain't I grand". Well,
great for you, but there are other ways of reviewing data than
knowing what you want and extracting it with aplomb from a big messy
pile. There is a very good reason why this is useful and why
organising these collections better would be even more useful… Browsing.
For many of the tasks I use Yojimbo for, searching is unnecessarily
time consuming when a single click tag collection can do the job so
much quicker - searching is just cumbersome in comparison, especially
if you're only after a vaguely defined selection of stuff to pick
from. Sure, I want to be able to dig things out with a search and YJ
is great for that, but often I want to browse a subset of my data and
hide the rest from view - presumably this is partly why collections
exist in the first place. The problem is I have a lot of subsets I'd
like to get to and review with one click and this results in a
lengthy list of sidebar items. Grouping these would not only tidy up
my sidebar, but would make scanning and finding them easier. Even
allowing me to re-organise collections according to how my mind works
rather than alphabetically would help a lot.
Also, as a side note - those who say they spend no time organising
information and then extol the virtues of tagging are being
disingenuous - tagging your data IS organising your data except that
instead of having a rigid structure into which to drop things you
have to carry around an amorphous tagging schema in your head ("hmm,
did I tag this sort of thing 'humour' or 'amusing'"). The
effectiveness of tag based searches is only as good as the
consistency of the schema you apply to tagging ("hmm, not in 'humour'
- what on earth would I have tagged it with, guess I'll have to back
up to a more general tag and sift through more items"). A tag-
reference panel of some kind (see previous post a month or so ago)
would help with consistency here but (to get back on topic!) would
also cut a fair chunk out of the collections I have already, many of
which are just there just as a quick reference for some of the more
specific tags I use in order that I can tag more effectively in the
first place!
At the risk of repeating earlier posts, wanting to group your
collections does not imply a yearning for hierarchy or that you don't
know how to tag & search effectively, it's just a very useful
compliment to the existing functionality.
T.
On 24 May 2007, at 21:41, Niels Kobschätzki wrote:
Hi!
Only being curious but how many tag collections/collections does
other users have (especially the developers would be interesting
because they are so against having a structure through folders or
smart tag-collections in smart tag-collections).
I have right now 25 and switched off most smart collections to
remove at least some of the clutter…
Niels *who gets more and more annoyed about the fact that he can't
put in any structure and begins to being not anymore able keeping
track of the tag collections (and that's only 25)*
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