Yes, Chinese Chan are even much more diverse and different in practice and teaching. For instance, our "at-home practice" school, are not recognized by those with a temple, shaving heads and robe wearing. :-)
Edgar Owen wrote: > > Chris, > > > Yes, you are referring to the 'sudden' versus the 'gradual' schools, > which was a major source of argument and bickering among the Chinese > Chan sects with each claiming their way was best. > > Edgar > > > > On Sep 16, 2008, at 11:39 PM, cid830 wrote: > >> Here! Here! Mike. I had the same reaction when I read his post. Many of >> these people had worked a disciplined practice for years b4 reaching a >> breakthrough. And some will never experience it at all (in this >> lifetime). And I understand your perspective of how through these years >> of dedication and training that when they experience this satori >> breakthrough they will be able to live in that state. There are >> different schools of thought on that though, as far as living in a >> constant state of awareness, or experiencing mini-"breakthroughs" along >> the way. >> >> Thanks, >> Chris >> >> --- In [email protected] >> <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Edgar, >> > Again, in an ultimate sense I agree with you. Most satori experiences >> occur off the mat (we cannot determine when they happen so they are a >> kind of 'Grace', if you like), but for most people these experiences >> are usually preceded by many years of zazen and rarely occur >> independently from it (especially in relation to the past Zen masters). >> In fact, I would add that to receive a satori like experience without >> already practicing zazen could be detrimental to one's spiritual growth >> because you would probably not have the 'tools' to be able to integrate >> the experience into your daily life. I don't completely advocate >> the 'aching legs' school of Zen Buddhism (see Alan Watts), but as Bill >> says, I don't see any better way to recognising our inherent >> enlightenment. Mike. >> > >> > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
