Bill; I'm sorry to say that I was unable to figure out or understand much about the conversation between Edgar and yourself. I understand better words with simplicity. I actually believe that the greater is the simplicity the greater is also its depth and beauty. For instance, There is this step in one of the guide meditations from TNH which says "Present moment, Wonderful moment". Initially I used to think that it was nice but not a very realistic way since the present moments varies. But slowly, slowly I started to penetrate into this "koan" finding with surprise that indeed present moment is a wonderful moment. I found that indeed we can choose the mental state we want to be!. Just an exemle to show how words with simplicity works much better, at the very least on me.
You keep talking about illusion. Illusion is also part of reality. Without illusion there wouldn't be reality. My Teacher says that enlightenment, nirvana is made with no elements of nirvana. I think that what he means by that is that both relate to each other and both are one. Mayka --- In [email protected], <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mayka, > > I disagree with Edgar on this. Actually this is the same disagreement on > which Edgar and I posted on previously concerning causation and eventually > abandoned our efforts. > - Edgar thinks reality is made up of many distinct (but sometimes related) > things happening at either the same or different times. (At least that is my > understanding of Edgar's general position. He can correct me if I'm wrong > in my assessment or if I'm not expressing it well.) > - I think reality is only one thing (Just THIS!), and there is only one time > (now). > > So, my responses to you are that there is no 'you' doing anything, there is > only ever one thing happening - Just THIS! and it is only ever happening > NOW. All the other concepts discussed in this post are illusions. > > If you're walking, there is only walking. The entire universe is walking - > now. If you're chewing gum, there is only chewing gum. The entire universe > is chewing gum - now. > > In Zen Buddhism this is referred to as expressing your Buddha Nature. I > refer to this as Just THIS! > > ...Bill! > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Edgar Owen > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:37 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Zen] Question? > > Mayka, > > You are missing my point. One's body is always doing many many things at > once. One could not exist otherwise. Scores of muscles have to move together > to make even the simplest motion. To speak tongue and lips and breath must > all move at the same time. No one ever is doing just one thing. That is an > illusion. > > Edgar > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
