Edgar;

That's sounds a refreshing experience.  
Basque from the Basque Country.
Mayka

-- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mayka, and Bill,
> 
> Is Vasque same as Basque?
> 
> Re 'wonderful moment'. In different senses both Mayka and Bill are  
> correct here. Since the emotive quality of the present moment is  
> illusory that means we are free (within limits) to choose it to be 
a  
> wonderful moment. I do this all the time because by choosing it to 
be  
> a wonderful moment the flow of chi is freed, enhanced and is  
> experienced as universal love energy which refreshes being and  
> enhances awareness.
> 
> Edgar
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 3, 2008, at 6:45 AM, Mayka wrote:
> 
> > I'm sorry to hear that whoever is the Administrator or Moderator 
on
> > this website has not fixed yet the problem with the post. Perhaps 
we
> > don't have anyone as Administrator or Moderator on this website!. 
The
> > only way I can think for you to have my post is to write in the
> > website and also to send to your personal email address the post.
> > Perhaps Mike Brown could do the same meantime. Once you receive 
our
> > both post throgh the group let us know and we'll stop sending you 
our
> > post twice your personal email and to the group.
> >
> > I write to you from the website now. Mayka is in Vasque language 
the
> > short name for Maria Carmen. The name written in my post will be
> > Maria Lopez. I'm saying this so that you can identify me better 
and
> > don't put me on the spam.
> >
> > There is not a misleading in the meditation step saying "Present
> > moment/ wonderful moment". In order to see it, one needs to
> > penetrate it like a diamond cutting through illusion. Years ago, I
> > used to wonder like yourself the same question. By sitting down 
many
> > times with it specially in moments in which the last thing I felt 
was
> > present moment as a wonderful moment; I gradually started to tame 
the
> > irritation that such a statement produced in me specially in 
moments
> > of great distress and despair. Instead of trying to see the 
meaning
> > of it, or allowing the intelectual, discriminative mind getting 
into
> > the way. I just sit down with the "koan":
> >
> > Breathing in for I dwell in the present moment - Present moment
> > Breathing our for I know it's a wonderful moment - Wonderful 
moment
> >
> > My foundings through the years have been many on this. It was and 
it
> > is a wonderful moment because I felt and feel alive. I'm aware of
> > being alive. Being alive was a miracle by itself. The part of
> > wonderful moment helped me to choose whatever state of mind I 
want to
> > be in. It helps to see, touch, smell, sense...all the many wonders
> > of life ocurring at the present moment. This is also why the 
present
> > moment is wonderful. It wouldn't be as wonderful without awareness
> > and freedom of choosing whatever we want to be.
> >
> > Mayka
> >
> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Smart" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mayka,
> > >
> > > I'm not able to get your posts as email - nor Mike Brown's. I
> > don't
> > > know why. I'm in the website now so I did see this one.
> > >
> > > TNH's meditation guide/koan 'Present moment. Wonderful moment.' 
is
> > > saying EXACTLY what I said in my previous post: "...there is
> > no 'you'
> > > doing anything, there is only ever one thing happening - Just
> > THIS!
> > > and it is only ever happening NOW.
> > >
> > > There is only this PRESENT MOMENT - no you, no other things 
going
> > on,
> > > and there is only now.
> > >
> > > Personally I think THN's 'Wonderful' qualifer on the second 
part is
> > > unnecessary and actually misleading. I'd appreciate if you would
> > ask
> > > him (or your teacher) about that: Why does he describe the 
Present
> > > Moment as 'wonderful'. This is a dualistic qualifier which 
should
> > > not be applied to Present Moment. There is only one eternal
> > Present
> > > Moment, and it is neither wonderful nor unpleasant. It is Just
> > > THIS! Present Moment!
> > >
> > > ...Bill!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Mayka" <flordeloto@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill;
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry to say that I was unable to figure out or understand
> > much
> > > > about the conversation between Edgar and yourself. I 
understand
> > > > better words with simplicity. I actually believe that the
> > greater
> > > is
> > > > the simplicity the greater is also its depth and beauty. For
> > > > instance, There is this step in one of the guide meditations 
from
> > > TNH
> > > > which says "Present moment, Wonderful moment". Initially I 
used
> > to
> > > > think that it was nice but not a very realistic way since the
> > > present
> > > > moments varies. But slowly, slowly I started to penetrate into
> > > > this "koan" finding with surprise that indeed present moment 
is a
> > > > wonderful moment. I found that indeed we can choose the mental
> > > state
> > > > we want to be!. Just an exemle to show how words with 
simplicity
> > > > works much better, at the very least on me.
> > > >
> > > > You keep talking about illusion. Illusion is also part of
> > > reality.
> > > > Without illusion there wouldn't be reality. My Teacher says 
that
> > > > enlightenment, nirvana is made with no elements of nirvana. I
> > > think
> > > > that what he means by that is that both relate to each other 
and
> > > both
> > > > are one.
> > > >
> > > > Mayka
> > > >
> > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mayka,
> > > > >
> > > > > I disagree with Edgar on this. Actually this is the same
> > > > disagreement on
> > > > > which Edgar and I posted on previously concerning causation 
and
> > > > eventually
> > > > > abandoned our efforts.
> > > > > - Edgar thinks reality is made up of many distinct (but
> > sometimes
> > > > related)
> > > > > things happening at either the same or different times. (At
> > least
> > > > that is my
> > > > > understanding of Edgar's general position. He can correct me
> > if
> > > > I'm wrong
> > > > > in my assessment or if I'm not expressing it well.)
> > > > > - I think reality is only one thing (Just THIS!), and there 
is
> > > only
> > > > one time
> > > > > (now).
> > > > >
> > > > > So, my responses to you are that there is no 'you' doing
> > > anything,
> > > > there is
> > > > > only ever one thing happening - Just THIS! and it is only 
ever
> > > > happening
> > > > > NOW. All the other concepts discussed in this post are
> > illusions.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you're walking, there is only walking. The entire 
universe
> > is
> > > > walking -
> > > > > now. If you're chewing gum, there is only chewing gum. The
> > > entire
> > > > universe
> > > > > is chewing gum - now.
> > > > >
> > > > > In Zen Buddhism this is referred to as expressing your 
Buddha
> > > > Nature. I
> > > > > refer to this as Just THIS!
> > > > >
> > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > On Behalf
> > > > > Of Edgar Owen
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:37 AM
> > > > > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Question?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mayka,
> > > > >
> > > > > You are missing my point. One's body is always doing many 
many
> > > > things at
> > > > > once. One could not exist otherwise. Scores of muscles have 
to
> > > move
> > > > together
> > > > > to make even the simplest motion. To speak tongue and lips 
and
> > > > breath must
> > > > > all move at the same time. No one ever is doing just one 
thing.
> > > > That is an
> > > > > illusion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Edgar
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>



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