I exactly know what you mean.  I have moments like this in which I can't just 
sit down and staying there with what I have.  Even when I know that after the 
sitting down I will be feeling much better and in all the ways.  Instead of 
sitting down,  it seems as the non sitting down energy pulls me away with 
strenght and can't sit!.  Morevor, if someone tells me as I did myself to you, 
to sit down or to breathe in awarenes, that advice seems to irritate me even 
more and comes to me the wish of telling to that person to get lost or to mind 
his/her own business and things like that.  
I've learnt not to stress out myself and accept my undisciplined energies.  I 
don't fight against them.  I don't blame myself either. I've learnt to accept 
that in me in the same way and with the same dissatachement as when I get into 
profound and pleasant inspiration.  They both come and go.  They never stay as 
fix.  They both are impermanent.  
 if I can't do a sitting down at those moments.  I know that the key is to 
relax the body and the mind.  And it doesn't matter the method that one use in 
order to calm down oneself.  Having a laugh with friends, walking in nature, 
touching all that is going to water in one what is positive.  I know out of 
experience  that for as long as I go back to the awareness of the in and out 
breathing even if  I keep moving and doing different activites including the 
ones of watching a movie, walking, cooking.... I know that the only awareness 
of the breathing in and out will help me in time to get into the practice of 
sitting down again.  I do this even in my night sleep.
  Once I get a little bit calmer then is when in a natural way I feel like it 
to sit down.  It's very important to hold there where we are and the unpleasant 
feelings and sensations  (though, often don't do this myself) because only by 
doing that we start to break through that pattern of being pulled away.  And it 
doesn't happen in only day but through the years.
Thanks for writing and sharing.   

--- On Tue, 5/10/10, Rose P <> wrote:

From: Rose P <>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: 'Having a problem with somebody' - Bill, et al
Date: Tuesday, 5 October, 2010, 10:07


That's brilliant advice Mayka. I do do that as much as I can. The point where 
I'm no longer able to do it though......that's what's interesting to me. Not 
that I actively seek that point out of course.

--- On Mon, 10/4/10, Maria Lopez <> wrote:

From: Maria Lopez <>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: 'Having a problem with somebody' - Bill, et al
Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 7:57 PM


Hi Rose!
Just to let you know that I'm sorry to hear about your sentimental and family 
worries and the hard time you are having.  Perhaps you may feel more released 
if just sit down and breathe in awareness.  Don't think about anything right 
now.  You need to stop the activities in the mind.  You need to relax your body 
and your mind.  And so you need to breathe in awareness.  Have the breath as 
your coming back to yourself point.  Just acknowledge what is happening in 
you.  Call it by its name.  It's coming.  It goes.  It comes something else.  
And it goes....just like this...and once you are very calm...all answers will 
come to you.  And if not Bill will help you and guide as he's very experienced 
in the practice.
Warm hug

--- On Mon, 4/10/10, Rose P <> wrote:

From: Rose P <>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: 'Having a problem with somebody' - Bill, et al
Date: Monday, 4 October, 2010, 20:17


I hadn't read anything like that level of detail into Bills statement. It 
seemed simple, and it *seems* simple. Just bloody difficult in practice.....
I'll give you an example from my own life - which is messy and bitty, as life 
sometimes is... My 15 year old daughter lives with her father in the US. They 
moved city (and she moved school) 6 weeks ago. 3 weeks ago she told me that he 
(dad) was going to Vegas for 3 days on business and she would be looked after 
by a friend (who turned out to be female, very reliable, very lovely) while he 
was away. He didn't let me know anything about him going, or who was going to 
be looking after said daughter. My immediate reaction was one 
of......ermm.....anger-ish maybe. Something like that. But I decided to not 
react and take it on the chin, so to speak. All was *well*, and calm. Another 
couple of weeks down the line I was on the webcam to her (me in UK) and she 
said 'Daddys gone to Hong Kong for 7 nights on business'. As much as I wanted 
to have the reaction I had to situ number 1, I flipped out, at him, not at her. 
The result of my *flipping* was that I have
 now lost the relationship I had with my ex-mother in law, and have well and 
truly had several good old nasty rants at him. Going back to Bills statement, 
about it never being the other persons problem - I want so much to abide by 
this idea. In practice however, yeah, it's bloody difficult. Will hope for a 
better outcome for all involved the next time I'm in a position not to react 
You see where I'm coming from..? It's not the specific situ as described above 
that I'm interested in taking apart and analysing per se (I'm fully aware that 
I could just not have reacted), although it does example what I'm talking 
about, it's how more practised individuals than I have managed to *cope* (is 
that the word I wonder?) with their lifes situations, drawing on their zen 
practice over the years.

--- On Mon, 10/4/10, ED <> wrote:

From: ED <>
Subject: [Zen] Re: 'Having a problem with somebody' - Bill, et al
Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 6:51 PM


Many, many things can be *said* about Bill's alleged statement: "when one has a 
problem with someone, it is never theirs, it's always yours."
For starters:
(1) It's a koan
(2) Truth, once it is spoken is no longer the truth.
(3) Truth cannot be asserted or denied.
(4) Every statement is 50% right.
(4) If one does not adopt some sort of attitude like this, no intelligent and 
non-violent solution can be arrived at.
(5) I first heard such a statement made at a "Pursuit of Excellence" seminar 
some 26 years ago in the form:
"If your wife is angry, how have you caused her anger?" (From memory)
(6) Or, if your wife is angry, and you want her not to be angry, then you have 
a need, and *you* must change your ways so as not to rouse her anger.
(7) etc.
Plenty of room for controversy, no?  ;-)
--- In, "things_rose" <things_r...@...> wrote:
> Bill, in a previous post to DP you said something about when one has a 
> problem with someone, it is never theirs it's always yours. 

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