Thanks for the clarification. I would definitely agree with you that people of
faith are guided by something other than facts ; ) Also, I don't think
atheists try to disprove anything. I completely agree that faith exists - it's
just based on bad evidence.
From: Kristy McClain <healthypl...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 2:23:56
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.
Wait~~ don't get me into this discussion, as it is now "I" who has lost the
thread. I was merely trying to point out to DP that debating on-line with
people who attack him or hurt his feelings seems pointless to me, and making a
different choice to disengage and move on might be more productive. I see now
that it was a waste of my time as he has brought the issue to this forum. I
will take my own advice and move on. I have no problem accepting both
atheists and those who practice faith-based religions. I don't think atheists
are ignorant of faith. That was not my point. My point was-- and is-- perhaps
people of faith are guided by something other than "facts", whereas atheists
can, and often do debate religion from an analytical or logic perspective.
can't prove or dis-prove faith, so why try? I'm of the boring "Can't we all
just along" school" Silly me..
--- On Mon, 10/4/10, mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>From: mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your
>Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 10:18 AM
>Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not out to get you, huh.
>Let me spell it out for you one more time. To paraphrase Kristy - she said
>atheists are ignorant of faith and so don't understand the religious
>perspective. I pointed out that 1) lots of atheists were once upon a time
>believers who have now 'seen the light' and so do have such experience but
>rejected it. 2) I may be ignorant of the beliefs of other groups but still can
>deduce that they are harmful. NOT that religious folks are the same as
>but the harm that can be DONE is the same. Clear?
From: DP <wookielife...@yahoo.ca>
>Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 1:03:36
>Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.
>My god, that is disingenuous...
>Kristy specifically said that the people who are arguing probably don't have
>experience of faith and that this means I can't explain it to them.
>You essentially said "I don't have to be a Neo-Nazi to understand that it's
>It doesn't take a paranoid person to see a comparison being made.
>You are using your own personal definition of religion to attack. This is not
>experience of religion, and it never will be.
>--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown <uerusub...@...> wrote:
>> I wrote: "Moreover, I am ignorant of what it is to be a neo-nazis, but have
>> trouble rejecting their beliefs as not just harmful, but wrong."
>> You wrote: "You were essentially implying that religious belief was no
>> from being a "neo-nazi." I'm sorry, but I do find that offensive."
>> That wasn't my intention in the above sentence. I could just as easily have
>> I am ignorant of being a racist/Republican/terrorist/bigot/child-molester
>> make the point. If you see the connection with those and religion, well...