Kristy, Thanks for the clarification. I would definitely agree with you that people of faith are guided by something other than facts ; ) Also, I don't think atheists try to disprove anything. I completely agree that faith exists - it's just based on bad evidence.
Mike ________________________________ From: Kristy McClain <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 2:23:56 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. Gentlemen, :) Wait~~ don't get me into this discussion, as it is now "I" who has lost the thread. I was merely trying to point out to DP that debating on-line with people who attack him or hurt his feelings seems pointless to me, and making a different choice to disengage and move on might be more productive. I see now that it was a waste of my time as he has brought the issue to this forum. I will take my own advice and move on. I have no problem accepting both atheists and those who practice faith-based religions. I don't think atheists are ignorant of faith. That was not my point. My point was-- and is-- perhaps people of faith are guided by something other than "facts", whereas atheists can, and often do debate religion from an analytical or logic perspective. You can't prove or dis-prove faith, so why try? I'm of the boring "Can't we all just along" school" Silly me.. Kristy --- On Mon, 10/4/10, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: >From: mike brown <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. >To: [email protected] >Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 10:18 AM > > > >DP, > >Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not out to get you, huh. >Let me spell it out for you one more time. To paraphrase Kristy - she said >that >atheists are ignorant of faith and so don't understand the religious >perspective. I pointed out that 1) lots of atheists were once upon a time >believers who have now 'seen the light' and so do have such experience but >rejected it. 2) I may be ignorant of the beliefs of other groups but still can >deduce that they are harmful. NOT that religious folks are the same as >neo-nazis >but the harm that can be DONE is the same. Clear? > >Mike > > > > ________________________________ From: DP <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 1:03:36 >Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church. > > >My god, that is disingenuous... > >Kristy specifically said that the people who are arguing probably don't have >an >experience of faith and that this means I can't explain it to them. > >You essentially said "I don't have to be a Neo-Nazi to understand that it's >bad." > > >It doesn't take a paranoid person to see a comparison being made. >You are using your own personal definition of religion to attack. This is not >my >experience of religion, and it never will be. > >--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusub...@...> wrote: >> >> DP, >> >> I wrote: "Moreover, I am ignorant of what it is to be a neo-nazis, but have >> no > >> trouble rejecting their beliefs as not just harmful, but wrong." >> >> You wrote: "You were essentially implying that religious belief was no >>different >> >> from being a "neo-nazi." I'm sorry, but I do find that offensive." >> >> That wasn't my intention in the above sentence. I could just as easily have >>said >> >> I am ignorant of being a racist/Republican/terrorist/bigot/child-molester >> etc >>to >> >> make the point. If you see the connection with those and religion, well... >> >> Mike >> > > >
