Bill;
 
Yes definitely vigorous is a most appropriate word as the sounds in this way 
don't come out with the same sound as when awareness is not there having as a 
result a separation between breath,  body and mind.  It's in that separation 
that attachment, blockage of energy,  hysteria takes place for there is nothing 
to cuddle and take care, letting be expressed out.  
 
Mayka
 
--- On Fri, 22/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote:


From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 22 October, 2010, 9:31


  





Mayka,
I was referring to the post below which talked about yelling in pain.  Maybe 
violent is a little over-the-top.  How about vigorous?
…Bill!
 



From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Maria Lopez
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:37 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?
 
  








Bill:

 

Is it violent?.   What I have tried is that every time I'm about of getting 
into the bath, laying my back on the very cold material  of the bath I emit a 
very long sound with the syllable "om"letting the breath going out through the 
sound.  The sound here doesn't come violent. However , while trying to get into 
the sea for a swim when its waters are still cold it makes me Yell very loudly 
with strange sounds in the awareness of in/out fast breathing and fast 
movements of my both legs jumping as in a water marathon  reheating my body..  
Didn't notice if the breath was violent. I'll try to attention to that.  But I 
know that in the beach everyone can hear me yelling.  That yelling is actually 
very good because it helps me to cope and reheat my body better.  

 

Mayka

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 21/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote:


From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 21 October, 2010, 1:52

  



Actually yelling is just a violent exhale.  It would be followed by a violent 
inhale – gasping for breath.
This is an excellent breathing technique…Bill!
 



From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Maria Lopez
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:03 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?
 
  





That sounds terrible Chris.  And this is what I meant by reading or overhearing 
about breathing but with no experience at all into that.   As a woman I should 
have encouraged her to yell as much as she wanted if that would help her to 
dilate better and cope her pain.  I would have hold her hand very gentle but 
very firm and talk to her with reassurance and kindnest.  LIstening to her 
voice, to her body..  Being one with her.  Breathing with her.  It's the heart 
acting as the guide that brings all that sensitivity, unity between a patient 
and a carer, nurse, doctor...I wonder if they can make an statistics about the 
heart too.

 

Mayka

 

--- On Wed, 20/10/10, ChrisAustinLane <ch...@austin-lane.net> wrote:


From: ChrisAustinLane <ch...@austin-lane.net>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?
To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, 20 October, 2010, 16:16 

  




Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent from a cell phone

On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:16, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> If mindfulness is show in a scientific way the outcome will be a disaster

I have more faith. Scientists are humans, and there has already been much 
suffering relieved by the meditation based therapies described in the article. 
Science is another human activity.

I agree tho for physically therapies you want a person who does their work with 
grace. Your story reminded me of a nurse that was present while my wife was 
delivering our first born, with out pain meds and therefor rather loudly 
working at labor. At some point the yelling upset the nurse who yelled at my 
wife, "do your relaxing breathing that you learned." despite the indubitable 
power of conscious breathing, it was not a helpful thing to yell at that time. 


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